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LadyPact -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/13/2017 9:52:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Why would you punish his family for what he did? The only target that makes sense here are the people who enabled the shooter, not people who were unfortunate enough to be related to him. when he did what he did the estate was his. It's not punishing his family it's using his earnings not theirs. In my opinion, correct. The "family" wouldn't have the money without the death of Paddock, himself. A suit against the estate means there is a limit to compensation for the plaintiff. The damages awarded won't exceed his net worth. The brothers won't lose any of their own assets. Just what would have come to them from Steven Paddock's will.

MrRodgers -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 1:04:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Why would you punish his family for what he did? The only target that makes sense here are the people who enabled the shooter, not people who were unfortunate enough to be related to him. when he did what he did the estate was his. It's not punishing his family it's using his earnings not theirs. In my opinion, correct. The "family" wouldn't have the money without the death of Paddock, himself. A suit against the estate means there is a limit to compensation for the plaintiff. The damages awarded won't exceed his net worth. The brothers won't lose any of their own assets. Just what would have come to them from Steven Paddock's will. Not a big deal but I am thinking that this case could eventually run into the millions. That could bankrupt the estate.

JVoV -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 1:41:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Why would you punish his family for what he did? The only target that makes sense here are the people who enabled the shooter, not people who were unfortunate enough to be related to him. when he did what he did the estate was his. It's not punishing his family it's using his earnings not theirs. In my opinion, correct. The "family" wouldn't have the money without the death of Paddock, himself. A suit against the estate means there is a limit to compensation for the plaintiff. The damages awarded won't exceed his net worth. The brothers won't lose any of their own assets. Just what would have come to them from Steven Paddock's will. Not a big deal but I am thinking that this case could eventually run into the millions. That could bankrupt the estate. I'm OK with that. Nobody else is responsible for paying the debts of the estate. The real problem is that it needs to be a class action lawsuit, so that the victims and families of those murdered all get something.

bounty44 -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 4:34:18 AM)
I have a strong sense of that any criminal should have to compensate victims or victim's families in some meaningful capacity and that it shouldn't have to be the result of a lawsuit, but rather written right into the penal codes.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 4:54:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 I have a strong sense of that any criminal should have to compensate victims or victim's families in some meaningful capacity and that it shouldn't have to be the result of a lawsuit, but rather written right into the penal codes. A throwback to debtors prisons?

heavyblinker -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 5:13:27 AM)
Maybe the relatives of the shooting victims should each be allowed to kill one member of the shooter's family/extended family.

WhoreMods -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 6:51:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 I have a strong sense of that any criminal should have to compensate victims or victim's families in some meaningful capacity and that it shouldn't have to be the result of a lawsuit, but rather written right into the penal codes. A throwback to debtors prisons? It'd be cute to extend the notion to cover criminal negligence as well as crimes of violence: they'd soon sort out this problem with contaminated water in Flint if the polluters were having to pay wergild every time somebody wound up in hospital...

BoscoX -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 7:14:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods It'd be cute to extend the notion to cover criminal negligence as well as crimes of violence: they'd soon sort out this problem with contaminated water in Flint if the polluters were having to pay wergild every time somebody wound up in hospital... All Democrat politicians, in the Flint case.

WhoreMods -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 7:28:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods It'd be cute to extend the notion to cover criminal negligence as well as crimes of violence: they'd soon sort out this problem with contaminated water in Flint if the polluters were having to pay wergild every time somebody wound up in hospital... All Democrat politicians, in the Flint case. We're not all the sort of partisan halfwit who think that makes any kind of difference. Try to keep up.

BoscoX -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 7:29:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods We're not all the sort of partisan halfwit who think that makes any kind of difference. Try to keep up. Right... You're not a whiny little partisan bitch. And this isn't the political section, where partisan comments are the norm Good one Wait - you're not joking, you really are this stupid

WhoreMods -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 7:50:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods We're not all the sort of partisan halfwit who think that makes any kind of difference. Try to keep up. Right... You're not a whiny little partisan bitch. And this isn't the political section, where partisan comments are the norm Good one Wait - you're not joking, you really are this stupid [img]http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/files/2016/11/KenobiIronyMeters.jpeg[/img]

BoscoX -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 8:28:55 AM)
Poor little mindless howler troll You have shit for brains brains, can never come up with a witty reply... But at least you have the same tired, worn out copy & paste No one can ever take that away from you

WhoreMods -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 8:36:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Poor little mindless howler troll You have shit for brains brains, can never come up with a witty reply... But at least you have the same tired, worn out copy & paste No one can ever take that away from you [img]http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/files/2016/11/KenobiIronyMeters.jpeg[/img]

Lucylastic -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 9:03:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods It'd be cute to extend the notion to cover criminal negligence as well as crimes of violence: they'd soon sort out this problem with contaminated water in Flint if the polluters were having to pay wergild every time somebody wound up in hospital... All Democrat politicians, in the Flint case. Not so much.... Five people, including the head of Michigan's health department, were charged Wednesday with involuntary manslaughter in an investigation of Flint's lead-contaminated water, all blamed in the death of an 85-year-old man who had Legionnaires' disease. Nick Lyon is the highest-ranking member of Republican Gov. Rick Snyder's administration to be snagged in a criminal investigation of how the city's water system became poisoned after officials tapped the Flint River in 2014. Lyon, 48, the director of the Health and Human Services Department, is accused of failing to alert the majority-black population about an outbreak of Legionnaires' disease in the Flint area, which has been linked by some experts to poor water quality in 2014-15. An involuntary manslaughter conviction carries up to 15 years in prison http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-nick-lyon-flint-water-crisis-20170614-story.html

WhoreMods -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 9:05:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods It'd be cute to extend the notion to cover criminal negligence as well as crimes of violence: they'd soon sort out this problem with contaminated water in Flint if the polluters were having to pay wergild every time somebody wound up in hospital... All Democrat politicians, in the Flint case. Not so much.... Five people, including the head of Michigan's health department, were charged Wednesday with involuntary manslaughter in an investigation of Flint's lead-contaminated water, all blamed in the death of an 85-year-old man who had Legionnaires' disease. Nick Lyon is the highest-ranking member of Republican Gov. Rick Snyder's administration to be snagged in a criminal investigation of how the city's water system became poisoned after officials tapped the Flint River in 2014. Lyon, 48, the director of the Health and Human Services Department, is accused of failing to alert the majority-black population about an outbreak of Legionnaires' disease in the Flint area, which has been linked by some experts to poor water quality in 2014-15. An involuntary manslaughter conviction carries up to 15 years in prison http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-nick-lyon-flint-water-crisis-20170614-story.html You mean syrup boy was lying about them all being democrats? [sm=jaw.gif] How unprecdented...

LadyPact -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 9:23:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I'm OK with that. Nobody else is responsible for paying the debts of the estate. The real problem is that it needs to be a class action lawsuit, so that the victims and families of those murdered all get something. Personally, if it were me, I'd probably do that with the money, anyway. Paddock wasn't worth nearly what all of this is going to cost, but it would be something. I was sitting here this morning thinking about the idea of suing the hotel. It's going to sound air-headed, so be patient with me. Exactly what did people expect the hotel to do? I've heard stuff about how the staff was supposed to notice a guy with suitcases and what have you, as if people with luggage would be an unusual occurrence. There's also been the suggestion that the hotel should have had metal detectors to prevent firearms from getting in. It makes me wonder just exactly how other people pack. Even if I were going to skip the whole idea about what in my kink bag has metal, (and trust me, if I were going to Vegas, at least some of the toy collection would come with me) I thought about all of my regular stuff would set a metal detector off. Curling irons, electric razors, metal hair barrettes, and who knows how many other things. This huge hotel is supposed to search every person's bag that would be setting off a metal detector? Are we going to x-ray everything like we do at airports, 'cause we all know how much people enjoy that. [8D]

Real0ne -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 11:12:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I'm OK with that. Nobody else is responsible for paying the debts of the estate. The real problem is that it needs to be a class action lawsuit, so that the victims and families of those murdered all get something. if more people join or file the court will convert it to ca.

JVoV -> RE: Vegas lawsuits...there a'com'n. (10/14/2017 2:19:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I'm OK with that. Nobody else is responsible for paying the debts of the estate. The real problem is that it needs to be a class action lawsuit, so that the victims and families of those murdered all get something. Personally, if it were me, I'd probably do that with the money, anyway. Paddock wasn't worth nearly what all of this is going to cost, but it would be something. I was sitting here this morning thinking about the idea of suing the hotel. It's going to sound air-headed, so be patient with me. Exactly what did people expect the hotel to do? I've heard stuff about how the staff was supposed to notice a guy with suitcases and what have you, as if people with luggage would be an unusual occurrence. There's also been the suggestion that the hotel should have had metal detectors to prevent firearms from getting in. It makes me wonder just exactly how other people pack. Even if I were going to skip the whole idea about what in my kink bag has metal, (and trust me, if I were going to Vegas, at least some of the toy collection would come with me) I thought about all of my regular stuff would set a metal detector off. Curling irons, electric razors, metal hair barrettes, and who knows how many other things. This huge hotel is supposed to search every person's bag that would be setting off a metal detector? Are we going to x-ray everything like we do at airports, 'cause we all know how much people enjoy that. [8D] Yeah, I'm not sure the hotel could be found at fault either, but it's likely the best hope of financial restitution for all the victims, and the one most likely to settle the cases, instead of going to court.

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