RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle

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Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle

Yes

57% (22)

2% (1)

None of the above

0% (0)

CNC is my kink

10% (4)

Non consent is abuse

18% (7)

Non consent is sexy.

2% (1)

It Should Be

7% (3)

Total Votes : 38

(last vote on : 10/17/2017 6:18:54 AM)
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Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 1:18:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Except Bosco! At least Bosco is clear about how important CONSENT is. can you point out exactly where bosco was clear about how important consent is? Please Okay, let me break down on how to understand what Bosco was saying for you. 1) Bosco posted: Men have authority over women because Allah has made one superior to the other , as for those whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, and send them to beds apart and beat them. Q4.34 (In case this part was so difficult to understand, Bosco was expressing dispproval for the non-consensual beating of women) 2) MM responded: You do realize that many of us on this forum beat our women as we see fit . . . (This is the part where MM clearly says that people in this forum beat their women non-consensually too) 3) Because of MM Statement, Bosco sarcastically mimicked MM by saying " Says the prudish old puritan nun (You do realize that this is a perv kink website site you are on, right) 4) Which you replied: yes where consent is the norm, and required, even just the once. 5) Which Bosco here explained to you why he said what he said: Your fellow howler troll ManiacalMysery once bragged that many here nonconsensually beat their women (in defense of Muslims) http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4993421 You never breathed a word about it, naturally 6) And then you claim: That doesnt mean that there is no consent, LOL CNC is also part of it....he doesnt mention consent or non consent, sooo please tell me how "he bragged non consensuality"? your reaching for uranus again.. DO you really know how BDSM works? Non consent is abuse,. BUT it seems you dont subscribe to that belief. 7) Then Bosco said: So, your pretending that it's all about consensuality here makes it a respectable site in your puritan nun eyes then What a great laugh you are, please keep posting your idiocy It's hilarious (And the reason why he finds your claims hilarious because MM himself clearly said that this BDSM forum is filled with men beating their women non-consensually and you are denying it and trying to cover it up and try to blame Bosco for being the one into non-consent beatings. In no way has Bosco ever supported the beating of women non-consensually. He was being sarcastic because of MM's claim. And he has always spoken out against non-consent beating of Muslim women. While from this topic you started, you can see MM defending his right to beat women as he sees fit because it's BDSM and some women like it. And personally for me, it's quite alarming to even read the comment MM made about your personal experience of how it became non-consensual. It was cold, no empathy and defensive, like women landing in hospitals from beatings is NORMAL in BDSM in his Universe. I hope MM is just playing a character online, like WD, and not serious. Or else, I think he might be right that, there are forumners here beating women against their will. MM himself is one!) PS: Bosco, that was how I interpreted the whole lead up to this topic, feel free to correct me if I was wrong.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 2:09:48 AM)
No, sorry, that statement by MM was made quite some time ago,(back in January,) it doesnt mention non consent, just because its in a topic about muslims, it says nothing about consent or CNC or abuse.... In fact at the time, you wrote back in repsonse to his post about it with this..... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4993560 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery You do realize that many of us on this forum beat our women as we see fit . . . Yea but the woman take your beatings voluntarily. It was consensual. but now you claim MM is what? you need to be more careful.... 3) Because of MM Statement, Bosco sarcastically mimicked MM by saying " Says the prudish old puritan nun (You do realize that this is a perv kink website site you are on, right) What MM said nine months ago, has nothing to do with or that non consent was ok. 4) Which you replied: yes where consent is the norm, and required, even just the once. OH look I said consent was the norm!!! Not Bosco.... 5) Which Bosco here explained to you why he said what he said: Your fellow howler troll ManiacalMysery once bragged that many here non consensually beat their women (in defense of Muslims) http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4993421 You never breathed a word about it, naturally I dont respond to all posts nor do I read all of them but clearly by your post to his comment 9 months ago, you need to make up your mind.

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 2:14:26 AM)
MM said that in response to the NON CONSENSUAL beating of women. That it was normal in this forum for men to beat their women too. The fact that it was a response to NON CONSENSUAL beating of women. He was saying, the way Muslim men beat their wives in accordance to the Quran verse is the same as Forum Folks here beating their women. I don't know why you are defending him or covering for him. But just because MM said that 9 months ago, doesn't mean Bosco has to forget the comment that stuck. When he read something you wrote that made him roll his eyes, because of WHAT MM said, that nobody left leaning called him out on it. So you wanna defend MM, sure. I basically believe that he believes in non-consensual beatings of woman base on his support of that QURAN VERSE by saying that Men in here does the same thing. And I further believe that he is totally into non-consensual beating to the point of a woman landing in hospital, due to his reaction to your story. That is my opinion of him now base on whatever he posted in this forum when it comes to women and beatings. And I think he is a dangerous person. I only hope no women got hurt.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 2:25:35 AM)
In fact at the time, you wrote back in repsonse to his post about it with this..... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4993560 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery You do realize that many of us on this forum beat our women as we see fit . . . Yea but the woman take your beatings voluntarily. It was consensual.

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 2:32:33 AM)
And I can't change my mind now? His response to your beating convinced me otherwise now. My point then was trying to say that "When Forumners beat their women here, it's consensual. When Muslim beat their women, according to the Quran Verse, it was non-consensual." That was my point to him. Which did he even agree with me? Nope, he didn't even agree with me that his beating of his women were consensual. Zero agreement with me about it when I gave him the chance with that response to agree with me and further clarify what was the point he was trying to make by claiming that people here beat their women, like Muslim men beat their wives? So looking back and now new comments. This is my new position. I can't stand it when dominant men behave so callously when hearing about incidents of other women being beaten up against their will. It feels like they are not taking their responsibility seriously and think it's no big deal if women got hurt under their care.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 2:44:08 AM)
lmao your hypocrisy speaks for itself... You are dumb, my beating had nothing to do with the lifestyle. I just put him right that it wasnt abusive before the attack. you have a hard on for him, based on something you NOW THINK he meant back in January, bosco used MM because he needed to extricate himself from his comment about consent. quote: Boscox Says the prudish old puritan nun(because I mentioned consent) (You do realize that this is a perv kink website site you are on, right) my response..... yes where consent is the norm, and required, even just the once. OH look I said consent was the norm!!! Not Bosco.... MM never mentioned non consent, you said it yourself...at the time. you can change your mind, all you want, MM said nothing of the sort, you are being disingenuous and bullshitting. But Bosco will be so proud of you.

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 2:51:31 AM)
MM also didn't deny that his statement was about non-consent. And in the context of the conversation. He was responding a non-consensual beating of women. Now in very simple English Comprehension. If Bosco wrote about how horrible it is that Muslim non-consensually beat their wives. And then MM comes in and says, "BDSM people beat their women all the time too." In response to Bosco talking about poor abused Muslim women. How can you possibly HONESTLY say that, MM meant his statement to be about consensual beating? The real hypocrite is you refusing to take Bosco at his context, even after he explained to you, why he said that was because of what MM said, but you choose to ignore the context of MM's assertion.

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:02:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If you're going to equate a bdsm relationship with an abusive one, we're done talking here. This type of response completely defensive and denying that abuse is also possible in a BDSM relationship is such a big red flag! And the fact that the response was to an explanation of how a consensual BDSM relationship managed to transform into an abusive one. This is what I am talking about. Callous. Cold. It seems like this is his typical reaction to reading anything about women getting beaten up. Just like how he reacted to Muslim women being beaten up non consensually. Callously saying that it's normal in the BDSM community too.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:03:09 AM)
callous and cold...wow that is projection. the irony

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:06:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic MM never mentioned non consent, you said it yourself...at the time. you can change your mind, all you want, MM said nothing of the sort, you are being disingenuous and bullshitting. But Bosco will be so proud of you. And as I said, he doesn't have to mention, "non-consent", as the whole context was. "Muslim women gets non-consensually beaten by their husbands, but hey! Bdsm folks do that to their women too!" So if you want to choose to be just thick in the head about comprehending the context of his response. Good for you.

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:08:11 AM)
Yes, if I said my vanilla sister married a horrible muslim man and he whipped her for disobedience until her back was bleeding. And then if MM comes in and says, "Hey, what are you crying about? Men in this forum do that to their women too!" Yup...., that's the context. Very warm of him.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:41:52 AM)
you read whatever you want into it...His comment regarding.... quote: If you're going to equate a bdsm relationship with an abusive one, we're done talking here. in fact that IS the difference between BDSM and abusive ....CONSENT. Unless you think that all BDSM relationships are abusive relationships. Mine wasnt abusive not until that friday night.... not in any way, it also wasnt a BDSM relationship....it was kinky but no power exchange, good sex, not rape, or assault, I never had a reason to say no, or remove consent, until he beat the shit out of me.... One of my limits since I was a teen, DO NOT hit me.... in anger, do not EVER slap me. He did....much worse Had I stayed after that event, it would have been abusive, but I never gave him the chance. That a BDSM relationship can become abusive, isnt the argument as I read it, but then its you with delusions. It has nothing to do with MM being abusive, well except in your head. That doesnt count for much.

bounty44 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:50:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I don't know why you are defending him or covering for him. withholding a judgment about this particular instance, tribe often matters more than truth greta

Greta75 -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 4:08:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic That a BDSM relationship can become abusive, isnt the argument as I read it, but then its you with delusions. A vanilla relationship can be abusive. A bdsm relationship can be abusive. Abuse can happen out of any type of relationships. And I think when it happens to a BDSM relationship, more condemnation for the actions of the BDSM person involve in the abuse involve needed, than going like, "Oh I am not gonna entertain that BDSM relationships could EVER be abusive! And I am not gonna discuss this anymore!" (Mimicking MM reaction just to be clear) Because these are real issues that actually do happen! Normal good people who don't practice abuse discuss it like LP and basically told you that you were brave for sharing and acknowledged that such things do happen.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 4:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I don't know why you are defending him or covering for him. withholding a judgment about this particular instance, tribe often matters more than truth greta hmmmmmm MM is a gorean, as a dominant women, our difference even in BDSM is quite marked. If you are discussing us being "lefty comrades" you are on the wrong path. it has everything to do with greta accusing him of something he didnt say, or rather he has been maligned badly. im neither defending him because he is a lefty NOR am I covering for him. for any other reason than gretas ignorance. or claims he is an abuser.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 7:27:35 AM)
God Greta just please stop talking. You are so twisting the entire conversation, conveniently ignoring crap, and misunderstanding what even you wrote, and this time I feel like you are willfully doing so. It never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical you are.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 7:33:07 AM)
~FR~ Oh look! The thread's about me now. Seriously, people, get lives.

LadyPact -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 9:06:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 A vanilla relationship can be abusive. A bdsm relationship can be abusive. Abuse can happen out of any type of relationships. And I think when it happens to a BDSM relationship, more condemnation for the actions of the BDSM person involve in the abuse involve needed, than going like, "Oh I am not gonna entertain that BDSM relationships could EVER be abusive! And I am not gonna discuss this anymore!" (Mimicking MM reaction just to be clear) Because these are real issues that actually do happen! Normal good people who don't practice abuse discuss it like LP and basically told you that you were brave for sharing and acknowledged that such things do happen. Greta, that's also why it's highly irresponsible to be doing exactly what you are doing right now. From where I sit, you are twisting what MM said on this thread. My interpretation was that MM was trying to make the distinction between BDSM, which is usually about consensual acts, and situations of acts perpetrated when consent has never been obtained. The so-called act of 'beating' someone isn't the decisive factor on this when it comes to kinky people. It's 'is there an agreement between the people that the act is within the confines of the relationship?' If there is, it shouldn't be interpreted the same as abuse and if people can't tell the difference, there's no point in continuing the conversation. That doesn't make MM and abusive person, that he should be considered a red flag, or anything else. You not understanding what he was really saying doesn't make him any of those things. Personally, I think it's a bit crappy on your part to be calling him those things when you don't have any clue about how he conducts his personal relationships in his life.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:34:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Your fellow howler troll ManiacalMysery once bragged that many here nonconsensually beat their women (in defense of Muslims) http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4993421 So there's one 'no' vote Dude...you are a fucking MORON....clicking on that link CLEARLY shows he was playing you. Jeeeezus fucking GAWWWWD....I KNOW you're not that stooopit (or at least....I'm HOPING someone with opposable thumbs....isn't THAT stooopit).

WhoreMods -> RE: Is consent a part of the BDSM lifestyle (10/16/2017 3:51:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Your fellow howler troll ManiacalMysery once bragged that many here nonconsensually beat their women (in defense of Muslims) http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4993421 So there's one 'no' vote Dude...you are a fucking MORON....clicking on that link CLEARLY shows he was playing you. Jeeeezus fucking GAWWWWD....I KNOW you're not that stooopit (or at least....I'm HOPING someone with opposable thumbs....isn't THAT stooopit). Not only do we not know that he isn't that stupid, we don't even know that he has opposable thumbs: reading some of his posts I wouldn't be surprised to find that he was typing them with some sort of probe stuck to his head...

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