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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/3/2017 6:20:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also have to wonder why Mueller only charged him with one offence, that of lying to the FBI.
WHen there is the charge of violation of the FARA act (like manafort was charged with)
And an investigation into the plot to "kidnap" The turkish guy, for 15 million smackerooos.
Lying to the FBI is five years, but he got a promise of six months if he cooperates with the FBI
FARA deceit is five years, but no mention of that yet as either a charge or inclusion into his plea deal.
I would say that if Mueller doesnt like the extent of his co-operation, he will face more charges.



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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/4/2017 11:46:43 PM   
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I think Strzok and Weissman may wind up being linchpins in a couple of very important investigations.

Strzok was involved in the 02 JUL 16 interview of Shrillary where she was not put under oath and no notes were taken.

He was also involved in the "interview" of Flynn, where there's some ambiguity as to whether or not it was an actual interview (again, apparently, not a very "official-seeming" interview; enough so where Flynn didn't have an attorney present).

Weissman enjoys the distinction of being one of the few people in the political world who can unite SCOTUS. One of the "crowning jewels" of his career, the ENRON case, was appealed to SCOTUS and the convictions were over-turned on a 9-0 vote).

These allegations may point to what some have called: The Deep State. If it's as bad as some claim, we've been witnesses to a sub rosa coup d'état.





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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 2:25:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its funny that trump himself endangered any trial against hillary by saying that she lied to the FBI
There is no legal basis to state that.
Mind you the way he is acting up this week, he isnt concerned about legalities or justice, or truth

A bold new legal defense for Trump: Presidents cannot obstruct justice
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-bold-new-legal-defense-for-trump-presidents-cannot-obstruct-justice/2017/12/04/b95cb262-d91c-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

The brazen assertion Monday by one of President Trump’s lawyers that a president cannot be found guilty of obstruction of justice signaled a controversial defense strategy in the wide-ranging Russia probe, as Trump’s political advisers are increasingly concerned about the legal advice he is receiving.

Trump tweeted over the weekend that he knew then-national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador before firing him in February — and before FBI Director James B. Comey said Trump asked him to be lenient while investigating Flynn. Experts said the president’s admission increased his legal exposure to obstruction-of-justice charges, one of the core crimes under investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

But Trump’s personal lawyer John Dowd sought to excuse the president’s tweet in part by telling Axios and NBC News on Monday that the “president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the Constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”

Dowd declined to elaborate on his theory or explain the emerging legal strategy to The Washington Post.

Inside the White House, some senior officials were baffled that Dowd publicly offered this interpretation of the law, which has been advanced since the summer by constitutional scholar Alan Dershowitz in defense of Trump but flatly dismissed by many other legal scholars.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 5:43:02 AM   
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Mueller's star witness is Flynn.

"Mr. Flynn, have you ever been convicted of a crime?"
"Yes"
"And what was the nature of that crime?"
"Lying under oath."

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 5:45:15 AM   
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I think Strzok and Weissman may wind up being linchpins in a couple of very important investigations.

Strzok was involved in the 02 JUL 16 interview of Shrillary where she was not put under oath and no notes were taken.

He was also involved in the "interview" of Flynn, where there's some ambiguity as to whether or not it was an actual interview (again, apparently, not a very "official-seeming" interview; enough so where Flynn didn't have an attorney present).

Weissman enjoys the distinction of being one of the few people in the political world who can unite SCOTUS. One of the "crowning jewels" of his career, the ENRON case, was appealed to SCOTUS and the convictions were over-turned on a 9-0 vote).

These allegations may point to what some have called: The Deep State. If it's as bad as some claim, we've been witnesses to a sub rosa coup d'état.






There will never be collusion charges, or treason charges, and it will never be alleged that President Donald Trump worked with Russia, because that has always been fantasy.

This has always been about finding ANYTHING that can be used by the left and the deep state to undermine the elected government and effectively negate the results of the election

Teach Washington outsiders about the consequences of meddling in affairs that the elites consider their sole province alone

Hillary really did collude with the Russians in obtaining the fake Russian dossier which is the basis for all of this, but obviously colluding with the Russians to steal an election (in reality) is perfectly ok

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 6:00:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		There wont be collusion charges
There WILL be charges of conspiracy, or obstruction of justice or worse.
It may not hit trump for a while.... but thats not because he is innocent. He is unable to stop drawing attention to himself.
Seeing as collusion is peanuts compared to whats coming out JUST In trumps tweets, never mind Muellers methodical investigation, MAGA

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 6:16:24 AM   
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There wont be collusion charges
There WILL be charges of conspiracy, or obstruction of justice or worse.
It may not hit trump for a while.... but thats not because he is innocent. He is unable to stop drawing attention to himself.
Seeing as collusion is peanuts compared to whats coming out JUST In trumps tweets, never mind Muellers methodical investigation, MAGA


"Obstruction of justice"

Someone misspoke, or said something the deep state can use as a technicality to negate the results of the election

"Obstruction of justice'

But Mueller and his cherry-picked team of Hillary loyalists very likely will not even get that

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 6:30:14 AM   
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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 6:34:11 AM   
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Hack Muller is getting desperate for ANYTHING to go after the president or his family or his businesses for...

Mueller Subpoenas Trump Deutsche Bank Records

Mueller is said to ask about bank’s dealings with president

Trump owes lender about $300 million for real estate loans

Special prosecutor Robert Mueller zeroed in on President Donald Trump’s business dealings with Deutsche Bank AG as his investigation into alleged Russian meddling in U.S. elections widens.

Mueller issued a subpoena to Germany’s largest lender several weeks ago, forcing the bank to submit documents on its relationship with Trump and his family, according to a person briefed on the matter, who asked not to be identified because the action has not been announced.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 9:40:33 AM   
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As Attorney General Jackson foretold: “Therein is the most dangerous power of the prosecutor: that he will pick people that he thinks he should get, rather than pick cases that need to be prosecuted.”


True. So true. Which is why anyone facing prosecution must get the best lawyer they can afford so they can make it too difficult for the prosecutor to walk all over you and win a case because you let him/her.
Which is why The White House is lawyered up. It would be foolish not to be. Mueller's problem now is not to look so impotent at the end so he either presents weak evidence and conjecture or he strongly presents a finding that suggests Trump is the victim here and Hillary is the more interesting and exposed object of his attention.

I agree but as far as corruption goes and any comparison goes, Hills couldn't carry Trump's checkbook. Meuller's problems are no different than any 'problems' he had at DOJ for 8 years under Bush II.

Nixon was a 'victim' of his own desire (in the tapes) of now 'using the power' of the oval office, He used it alright and got caught. Let's see just what T and Hills actually did and didn't do. I am thinking Trump could in time, be...in deep shit.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 9:42:15 AM   
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The story keeps growing, but not in the way leftists are experiencing it in their make-believe worlds:

Bill Clinton sought State’s permission to meet with Russian nuclear official during Obama uranium decision

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/356323-bill-clinton-sought-states-permission-to-meet-with-russian-nuclear

Yea, I mean come on. Who was he to seek permission ? Seems that is what the R's all forget all about.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 9:45:36 AM   
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Yea, it's mostly an opinion piece by someone with an obvious agenda.


You are a moron

The article is packed with verifiable facts regarding Mueller's lead investigator's appalling record and rotten reputation

Full of opinion.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 9:49:49 AM   
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It's not hard. It's been all over the news for months.

http://time.com/4852642/donald-trump-russia-election-investigation/

Um...troll boy, this is an article about junior. That wasn't the discussion. Want to try again?

You don't think he's connected? Even with his position?

You are a gullible one.

But here -- I did the (really complicated, apparently) Google search for you.
https://www.google.com/search?q=president+trump+keeps+changing+his+story+about+russia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Go ahead and go through them one by one, explaining why they're fake news.



Not the point moose. You said it was easy to find Trump dancing and posted a link to junior. Try and keep the last five minutes organized in your head. I know you can do it because you're so smart.

Not the point ? Never is the point when someone shoots yours down. MM is correct, proved it and you can't take it.


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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 9:57:33 AM   
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From a failing propaganda rag (even most leftists are literally not buying it)

Time Inc. set for another round of layoffs

http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/time-inc-set-for-another-round-of-layoffs/

Well of course as usual...you are incorrect. Time was sold to Meredith, financed by the Koch bros. so obviously being greedy capitalist scum...there are layoffs.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/5/2017 10:02:55 AM   
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I am just trying to point out to you that if you can be objective in an investigation why do you think Mueller can't be? When the report comes out, along with the evidence collected, then we can make our determination as to the validity of the process. I think Mueller as shown years of honorable service in our government where you have not. I think he deserves our respect... until he provides reason to think otherwise.

You can be assured any result from his investigation will be scrutinized by both parties.

Butch

Just wait until some of this shit congress. If the righties think there is leftist howling now, just wait for the righty howling when the repubs start to look at Mueller like he was never the guy they voted to approve at DOJ.

That's all the right can do since Reagan, is denigrate and call people liars, traitors, communists or worse.

Any contempt of congress charges will be worth nothing. Oliver North testified at length about Iran/Contra and the supremes threw out his conviction(s) on a self-incrimination basis.

No more of that shit.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/6/2017 6:09:16 AM   
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Latest revelations make the entire ‘collusion’ probe look like a partisan hit

So Peter Strzok wasn’t just a top investigator for Special Counsel Robert Mueller until he was axed for anti-Trump and pro-Clinton bias: He was also a major player in the Hillary e-mail probe and the FBI work that led to the “collusion” investigation.

And Mueller and the FBI both dragged their feet on sharing key info about all this with Congress.

Including the news that Strzok was the one who changed then-FBI chief Jim Comey’s draft language on Clinton’s use of that private server from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” in the final version.

That’s huge, because the statute specifies that gross negligence in the handling of classified info is itself a crime, whatever the intent — though Comey declared that Clinton shouldn’t face prosecution precisely because she had no “intent” to break the law.

Strzok also conducted the FBI interviews of Clinton and her top aides, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin, in the e-mail probe...

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/6/2017 5:47:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Including the news that Strzok was the one who changed then-FBI chief Jim Comey’s draft language on Clinton’s use of that private server from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” in the final version.
^^^^^ Except you didnt hear the statement preceeding it. Moots the point, that does not exist.


That’s huge, because the statute specifies that gross negligence in the handling of classified info is itself a crime, whatever the intent — though Comey declared that Clinton shouldn’t face prosecution precisely because she had no “intent” to break the law.

Its not huge because since she did not break the statute. And trump said he fired Flynn because he lied to the fBI. Guilty bastard. Lock him up.

You are a demented factless howler.

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/6/2017 6:10:49 PM   
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and you've been corrected about Hillary countless times. something the matter with your ability to learn also?

gee, and I see you up there at the top of the page lurking---~230 in the morning in England. late night eh? no work in the morning?

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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/6/2017 6:26:18 PM   
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RE: Mueller Is Not Interested In Justice - 12/6/2017 7:17:26 PM   
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still problems with the quote function troll? whaddup with that?

and you've been corrected about Hillary countless times. something the matter with your ability to learn also?

gee, and I see you up there at the top of the page lurking---~230 in the morning in England. late night eh? no work in the morning?

You have some serious brain damage. you have been corrected from your factless slobbering repeatedly and constantly and yet you persist.

seems there was an FBI investigation (several) all sorts of investigations in the house and senate. And yet, there is no special prosecutor hunting her down or her associates. And since the rightwing slobbers have the helm, they could waste that sort of money again and still be as fiscally irresponsible as they are by ideology.

Or do you think The Tangerine cockwomble has fell under the control of Hillary's agenda? You know, like the government alreay has for 30 years.

But maybe the FBI is short staffed these days. You got the list yet? How many hundreds they down now?

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