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RE: Consent - 10/29/2017 8:52:05 PM   
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And it's amazing how many of them are old white men.

Holy crap!!!

I just said the same thing to MP!!!




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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 2:33:53 AM   
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So, guess part of my question is why is that so?

Because we're fucking smarter than them, duh.

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 2:43:40 AM   
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if they (consent being one of those things) are evolutionary in nature, how is that they are? what purpose does it (consent)serve?

Of course it is fucking evolutionary, it is the human mating strategy for fuck's sake. Women consent to sex with men whose attributes appeal to them (presumably this is to provide the offspring with a genetic advantage), and men consnet to sex with women whose attributes appeal to them (presumably for the same reason).

Look, this thread is NOT an attempt to excuse rape, nor is it about consent. It is just Capt. Godbotherer's latest attempt to "prove" that evolution is wrong, and that the Bible is the literal truth.

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 3:27:05 AM   
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I know---something's surely amiss...and its unfortunate, because its a nifty topic.


Rape apologists are so nifty....


Also- since this thread is off the rails already-

The Christians think rape is gods will
And now "evolutionists" think rape is natures will, apparently.

So nifty.

ETA- where's Awareness? Surely we've said rape enough times in this thread to Beetlejuice him here?


posing the question of how consent jibes with evolutionary psychology is not being a "rape apologist."

wtf???

and you terribly and very misleadingly represent the idea of "god's will."

get a grip and a clue.



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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 3:37:43 AM   
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Rape is not part of evolution per se, just a human aberration.


if that is your position, then the question I posed about how does consent fit into evolutionary theory still needs to be answered.

on another hand, if you are an evolutionist (im not restricting myself to your "per se"), everything needs to be understood/explained in light of evolutionary theory. so how does rape, and by converse extension, consent, fit into that?

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 4:02:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		He is excusing rape. Or attempting to get people on board with excusing rape as a natural occurance.
I agree he did it in a very clumsy manner- and a conversation about consent is innocent. That's NOT what this thread is about, despite OPs backpedaling.

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 6:23:46 AM   
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Rape is not part of evolution per se, just a human aberration.


if that is your position, then the question I posed about how does consent fit into evolutionary theory still needs to be answered.

on another hand, if you are an evolutionist (im not restricting myself to your "per se"), everything needs to be understood/explained in light of evolutionary theory. so how does rape, and by converse extension, consent, fit into that?


Do you have to look up aberration?

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 9:13:34 AM   
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Rape apologists are so nifty....


Also- since this thread is off the rails already-

The Christians think rape is gods will
And now "evolutionists" think rape is natures will, apparently.

That's what this whole thread's about, isn't it? Fundamentalist 'tache boy can't bear the fact that there's no scientific justification for rape, unlike the various religious ones, so he's trying to spin some half-understood notion of the mating imperative as a biological drive into something analogous, while insisting that what he's doing is not having a go at evolutionary theory and those who prefer it to creationism over some nonsense that he's just made up.

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 9:52:22 AM   
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Is rape "meant to happen"? Is that the question? Really?

In the evolutionary "animal" world there is no such thing as rape, there is only mating with those ready to be bred.

So, the question is why does mankind even have a concept of rape?



Which begs the question how you could manage to survive without a single brain cell? Because apparently you also skipped school during biology, rape does happen in the animal kingdom, just like homosexuality.

How about we organize a little gang bang for you, then we can discuss later why there is a concept of rape. Would it help you if I bring a big strapon and some deep heat as lube?



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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 12:37:03 PM   
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Would it help you if I bring a big strapon and some deep heat as lube?

I don't know about him, but it sure as fuck would help me.

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RE: Consent - 10/30/2017 1:44:44 PM   
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Is rape "meant to happen"? Is that the question? Really?

In the evolutionary "animal" world there is no such thing as rape, there is only mating with those ready to be bred.

So, the question is why does mankind even have a concept of rape?


Ever watch a dog hump another dog - same sex or female on top? It has nothing to do with being "ready to be bred". It has to do with establishing pecking order and dominance.

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RE: Consent - 10/31/2017 8:04:09 AM   
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Is rape "meant to happen"? Is that the question? Really?

In the evolutionary "animal" world there is no such thing as rape, there is only mating with those ready to be bred.

So, the question is why does mankind even have a concept of rape?


Ever watch a dog hump another dog - same sex or female on top? It has nothing to do with being "ready to be bred". It has to do with establishing pecking order and dominance.

Yes, but he'd need to have some sort of clue about animal behaviour and natural history to grasp that, wouldn't he?
And if he was aware of (or willing to acknowledge) that fact, he also couldn't try to spin the theory of evolution as "survival or the rape-iest", could he?

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RE: Consent - 10/31/2017 5:21:33 PM   
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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 5:57:07 PM   
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Because "fucking" was always one of the most enjoyable things he had ever done.

Yes, a serial murderer also finds it one of the most enjoyable thing he has ever done to kill other human beings.
What's your point?

What? Do you really think that a man who enjoys consensual sex should be compared to a serial murderer? Are you really equating all sex with rape?
Because if you are, you need some serious help.

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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 6:01:10 PM   
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What? Do you really think that a man who enjoys consensual sex should be compared to a serial murderer? Are you really equating all sex with rape?
Because if you are, you need some serious help.

You didn't mention consensual sex at all. You were talking about rape. If the sex was consensual then why is this topic even mentioned at all? EVERYONE is free to have as much consensual sex as they want without consequences except for potentially diseases if they aren't careful.

You mentioned that men get pleasure from Raping a woman and that is NOT consensual. So I was simply telling you that serial murderers gets pleasure from killing too.

You questioned why should the concept of "Rape" even exists because men should be able to take any woman they want to have sex with because men receive pleasure from it, so they should just take without getting accuse of rape.

Keep in mind that, NOT ALL animals receive pleasure form sex.

Feline are one animal that suffers excruciating pain and is always aggressively attacked by the male and raped for sex. Because their male counterparts has spiked penises. That's why you always see the female attack the male aggressively after he penetrates her because he is raping her. Animals are animals. They have no rights and no voice.

To even question WHY we should have the concept of rape is basically advocating rape.

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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 6:44:43 PM   
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Fuck me twice, the OP is one of the worst fucking liars I have ever encountered.

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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 6:52:00 PM   
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Rape is not part of evolution per se, just a human aberration.


if that is your position, then the question I posed about how does consent fit into evolutionary theory still needs to be answered.

on another hand, if you are an evolutionist (im not restricting myself to your "per se"), everything needs to be understood/explained in light of evolutionary theory. so how does rape, and by converse extension, consent, fit into that?


Do you have to look up aberration?


wtf?? your post addresses nothing I said.

the concept nevertheless needs to be explained IN LIGHT of evolutionary theory. simply defining the word "aberration" does not do that nor does dismissing/minimizing it.

Rape and evolutionary psychology

Evolutionary theories of rape

Theories of Sexual Coercion: Evolutionary

Rape and Evolution

Why Do Men Rape? An Evolutionary Psychological





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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 6:58:08 PM   
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To even question WHY we should have the concept of rape is basically advocating rape.


greta, it most definitely is not. simply trying to intellectualize a particular perspective on some topic isn't tantamount to supporting what's being discussed.

I have a particular interest, and ive stated it a couple of times in the forum, about the history of the age of consent, how it appears in literature, and how its changed over time, why its so and what it means. you cannot take that and translate a desire to clarify thought and seek understanding to mean I want to have sex with a 12yr old.

what the OP posted really is an interesting topic, its too bad that so many others and ironically himself, ruined it.



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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 7:06:05 PM   
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I have a particular interest, and ive stated it a couple of times in the forum, about the history of the age of consent, how it appears in literature, and how its changed over time, why its so and what it means. you cannot take that and translate a desire to clarify thought and seek understanding to mean I want to have sex with a 12yr old.


I don't really get what is the fascination of age of consent because in the long distance past. People didn't understand biology and psychology.

As we get more advance in understanding our bodies. While women can get pregnant at 10 yr old or 12 yr old. But we know how the pregnancy can kill some of them or damage their non-fully developed womb forever.

We also understand the psychology of being a mom. And also, we want to allow a child to be a child and enjoy their childhood. And let them be a mother when they are ready.

Some boys at 12 yr old may still be thinking "Ewwwwww" about sex.

Yet in the old days, old men can fuck 12 yr old girls when they should still be innocent and enjoying their childhood.

The difference between then and now is that we have more knowledge on what's the best welfare for a human being now.

And we created the concept of welfare. In the past, women don't even have rights. They were as good cattle. So they don't care about their welfare. They are just seen like broodmares.

I personally don't think there is anything interesting about age of consent. I think with knowledge and wanting more protection for children from sexual crimes and pedophiles. It is natural for the age of consent to be raised.

Also, I can't imagine anybody raising a daughter would want to ponder about why their daughter can't have sex at 12 yr old. And not be happy that, the older this age of consent is, the better! Just because, she is still immature to make decisions and understand what's going on. To process sexuality. And because she is 12. She deserves to have a childhood. Not be forced to be a woman at 12.

At 12 yr old, when I had a crush on a guy. It's like innocent, just holding hands and spending time together. Sex never occur to me or him, who was also 12. That's the way it should be.

In backwards society, some 12 yr olds are already slogging in hard labour since they were 8 yr old or something.

I'd tell you though that, I don't understand the "age limit" on work. More like the "type of work" permitted for kids should be regulated. Just because some kids like me do find work a great learning ground and also loads of fun. It doesn't have to be nasty or slave labouring. I think in modern society, children should be able to do some kind of work if they wanted to. Just basically have a few easy kid friendly jobs that are permitted.

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RE: Consent - 11/1/2017 7:07:30 PM   
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what the OP posted really is an interesting topic

Only if you have suffered severe brain damage

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