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Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium 2018 - 10/29/2017 2:56:27 PM   
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Seriously.... fucking Saudi Arabia! It's like, the most ridiculous country in the world! I hope all their oil gets drained to death, so they got no choice but to assimilate totally with the rest of the world and stop calling the shots!

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/saudis-allow-women-sports-stadiums-2018-205345948.html
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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/29/2017 3:05:37 PM   
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interesting news greta.

you might like this too:

http://people.com/bodies/iran-woman-allowed-ironman-world-championship-hijab/
http://www.altmuslimah.com/2016/10/gerami-wears-hijab-represent-iran-ironman/


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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/29/2017 3:26:49 PM   
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Seriously.... fucking Saudi Arabia! It's like, the most ridiculous country in the world! I hope all their oil gets drained to death, so they got no choice but to assimilate totally with the rest of the world and stop calling the shots!

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/saudis-allow-women-sports-stadiums-2018-205345948.html


For one of those Muslim countries that somehow managed to slaughter or drive out or do whatever they did to all of the non-Muslims who lived there prior to the Muslim takeover, they're a somewhat moderate country

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/29/2017 3:41:04 PM   
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I mean seriously!!!! Lol, are these Saudi men actually complaining about Night Clubs? Fucking bullshit assholes, I know they go into them in other countries!

"First women driving, now stadiums. What's next? Night clubs?" said one Saudi Twitter user, echoing a deluge of social media comments expressing surprise over the accelerating pace of reforms.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/29/2017 3:44:47 PM   
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interesting news greta.

you might like this too:

http://people.com/bodies/iran-woman-allowed-ironman-world-championship-hijab/
http://www.altmuslimah.com/2016/10/gerami-wears-hijab-represent-iran-ironman/

Totally not liking this! This poor woman is forced to wear the most uncomfortable attire ever just so she can represent her Muslim country. Poor Thing! So she will always race at a disadvantage!

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/29/2017 4:41:41 PM   
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i rather see it greta as freedom to compete. its a triumphant first step.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/29/2017 10:43:38 PM   
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i rather see it greta as freedom to compete. its a triumphant first step.

But according to the article. Women were never ban from competing. They just never did, because they couldn't figure out how to fit the "rules" of requiring to wear a hijab to compete.

They weren't thinking out of the box. And this UK educated Iranian did.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 1:50:49 AM   
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interesting news greta.

you might like this too:

http://people.com/bodies/iran-woman-allowed-ironman-world-championship-hijab/
http://www.altmuslimah.com/2016/10/gerami-wears-hijab-represent-iran-ironman/

Totally not liking this! This poor woman is forced to wear the most uncomfortable attire ever just so she can represent her Muslim country. Poor Thing! So she will always race at a disadvantage!


But she wasn't forced to do anything. She was the one who wanted to represent Iran. She regularly does triathlons without hijab but she went the extra mile so that she could represent her country. There is nothing 'poor her' about it.

What you have to understand Greta is, a lot of Muslim women want to wear hijab because they consider it part of their faith. Such women won't do sports even when they live in a country where hijab isn't a requirement. What this woman has just done, is pave the way in the sports arena for women who choose to wear hijab.


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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 2:38:03 AM   
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The POOR HER part is that she was FORCED to wear the hijab to compete IF she wanted to represent her country.

In another words, Iran refuse to allow her compete unless she covers up totally. Which is what makes it, "Poor Her!"

Whereas other female competitors from other countries can wear as skimpy as they like.

She admits herself that wearing all those clothes slows down her performance. It sucks that she gotta compete at such a disadvantage and work harder than other country competitors just because Iran forces her to dress in the hijab.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 4:15:26 AM   
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For one of those Muslim countries that somehow managed to slaughter or drive out or do whatever they did to all of the non-Muslims who lived there prior to the Muslim takeover, they're a somewhat moderate country


Saudi Arabia is a "somewhat moderate country"!!! WTF!!! This claim is so idiotic it could only be advanced by someone totally ignorant of the Muslim world or ... a stand up comedian truly desperate for laughs. Nor is this the first time Bosco advanced this absurd bit of nonsense. It seems incredible but Bosco might actually believe this surreal claim to be true.

Because no one in their right mind would ever describe Saudi Arabia as a "somewhat moderate country". It is widely acknowledged as possibly the most extreme country in the Muslim world. It practices sharia law to the letter, the State religion is the Whahabbi sect the same ideology which fuels extemist jihadi terrorism groups such as IS or Al Quada, its religious police are the most rigid and uncompromising in implementing sharia of all the Muslim countries, the status of women is probably the worst in the Muslim world, its human rights record is appalling, its military are engaged in systematic slaughter of civilians, war crimes and other atrocities in Yemen ... I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. This is the medieval hell hole that Bosco is insisting is a charming moderate bunch of misunderstood nice guys

On just about every criterion by which these things can be judged, Saudi ranks as the most extreme and fantical Muslim State in the world. The Saudis make the Taliban seem positively liberal and the Iranian mullahs seem benign and sophisticated. Yet here we have Saudi's BFF on these boards singing their praises. It just goes to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever how microscopically little Bosco knows about or understands the Muslim world, or the Islamic religion.

Please bear this in mind whenever you encounter one of Bosco's frequent missives on Islam on these boards in future.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 4:21:38 AM   
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greta, outside of the Olympic path, triathlons are non-governmental entities. that is, the woman in question here was not an "official" representative of iran in the sense of that she was receiving government sanction/support for her participation. they have no standing to allow, or disallow her to compete.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 4:33:57 AM   
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greta, outside of the Olympic path, triathlons are non-governmental entities. that is, the woman in question here was not an "official" representative of iran in the sense of that she was receiving government sanction/support for her participation. they have no standing to allow, or disallow her to compete.


Yea but the point is, she could have just done Ironman without representing her country. BUT because she wants to enter the country competition. She is forced to wear the Hijab, for Iran to allow her to represent her Nation. Iran forced her to wear the hijab.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 5:11:11 AM   
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its a little bit challenging to get a grasp on---in the traditional sense, she was not "representing" iran. there was no "country competition."

ironman triathlons and triathlons en route to the ironmans, require membership in some triathlon organization. those organizations exist at the country level because triathlons have gone the Olympic route.

in order to compete to qualify for, and to compete in the ironman, she needed to have belonged to some triathlon federation/organization. outside of the Olympics, people who belong to those organizations don't "represent" their countries in an official way, though one can say, depending on circumstances, they represent them in an unofficial, sentimental, or moral way.

she still could have raced having been a member of the british triathlon organizations, she chose instead to be associated with iran, as maria said above, in order to make a point. she was not forced, she was given conditions and she accepted them willingly.

the people article talks about how other women have made similar inquiries as a result of this woman's success. so i'll say again, what she did is a triumphant first step. she's a trailblazer.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 5:42:41 AM   
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For one of those Muslim countries that somehow managed to slaughter or drive out or do whatever they did to all of the non-Muslims who lived there prior to the Muslim takeover, they're a somewhat moderate country


Saudi Arabia is a "somewhat moderate country"!!! WTF!!! This claim is so idiotic it could only be advanced by someone totally ignorant of the Muslim world or ... a stand up comedian truly desperate for laughs. Nor is this the first time Bosco advanced this absurd bit of nonsense. It seems incredible but Bosco might actually believe this surreal claim to be true.

Because no one in their right mind would ever describe Saudi Arabia as a "somewhat moderate country". It is widely acknowledged as possibly the most extreme country in the Muslim world. It practices sharia law to the letter, the State religion is the Whahabbi sect the same ideology which fuels extemist jihadi terrorism groups such as IS or Al Quada, its religious police are the most rigid and uncompromising in implementing sharia of all the Muslim countries, the status of women is probably the worst in the Muslim world, its human rights record is appalling, its military are engaged in systematic slaughter of civilians, war crimes and other atrocities in Yemen ... I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. This is the medieval hell hole that Bosco is insisting is a charming moderate bunch of misunderstood nice guys

On just about every criterion by which these things can be judged, Saudi ranks as the most extreme and fantical Muslim State in the world. The Saudis make the Taliban seem positively liberal and the Iranian mullahs seem benign and sophisticated. Yet here we have Saudi's BFF on these boards singing their praises. It just goes to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever how microscopically little Bosco knows about or understands the Muslim world, or the Islamic religion.

Please bear this in mind whenever you encounter one of Bosco's frequent missives on Islam on these boards in future.


Why don't you just go ahead and name all of the Muslim countries that have slaughtered etc 99.999% of all non-Muslims that are more moderate, fool

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 7:20:43 AM   
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For one of those Muslim countries that somehow managed to slaughter or drive out or do whatever they did to all of the non-Muslims who lived there prior to the Muslim takeover, they're a somewhat moderate country


Saudi Arabia is a "somewhat moderate country"!!! WTF!!! This claim is so idiotic it could only be advanced by someone totally ignorant of the Muslim world or ... a stand up comedian truly desperate for laughs. Nor is this the first time Bosco advanced this absurd bit of nonsense. It seems incredible but Bosco might actually believe this surreal claim to be true.

Because no one in their right mind would ever describe Saudi Arabia as a "somewhat moderate country". It is widely acknowledged as possibly the most extreme country in the Muslim world. It practices sharia law to the letter, the State religion is the Whahabbi sect the same ideology which fuels extemist jihadi terrorism groups such as IS or Al Quada, its religious police are the most rigid and uncompromising in implementing sharia of all the Muslim countries, the status of women is probably the worst in the Muslim world, its human rights record is appalling, its military are engaged in systematic slaughter of civilians, war crimes and other atrocities in Yemen ... I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. This is the medieval hell hole that Bosco is insisting is a charming moderate bunch of misunderstood nice guys

On just about every criterion by which these things can be judged, Saudi ranks as the most extreme and fantical Muslim State in the world. The Saudis make the Taliban seem positively liberal and the Iranian mullahs seem benign and sophisticated. Yet here we have Saudi's BFF on these boards singing their praises. It just goes to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever how microscopically little Bosco knows about or understands the Muslim world, or the Islamic religion.

Please bear this in mind whenever you encounter one of Bosco's frequent missives on Islam on these boards in future.


Why don't you just go ahead and name all of the Muslim countries that have slaughtered etc 99.999% of all non-Muslims that are more moderate, fool

You are the one making the claim that Saudi Arabia is a citadel of moderation in the Muslim world. It's up to you to provide evidence to support this claim, if you can find any. You made the claim - so back it up.

When you have finished your fool's errand of trying (and failing) to find supporting evidence, and realise that there isn't a shred of evidence in existence to support your idiotic claim, will it be too much to hope you will be man enough to admit you are not just wrong but wildly wrong?

Here's a tip for your research: Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that denies driving licences to women. Just one indicator of how extreme your friends in Saudi Arabia are. Remember these are the ones who you want to supply with the all the arms they want (and they sure want plenty) presumably so they can continue butchering civilians in Yemen.

It all adds up to one more indicator of the monumental immensity of your ignorance about Islam and the Islamic world.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 7:26:10 AM   
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hes got a thing about the SA...I dont think its healthy, but then as its a load of BS who is surprised.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 7:41:10 AM   
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hes got a thing about the SA...I dont think its healthy, but then as its a load of BS who is surprised.

Yes. He defends the arms sales by the US to the "moderate" Saudis, probably not realising what a bunch of medieval thugs the Saudis are.

Calling the Saudis "moderate" is as deranged as describing Alaska's climate as the warmest in the US. It's the direct opposite of truth. Bosco's exhibition of his ignorance about Islam and the Muslim world is particularly clear in this instance, and all of his commens about Islam and the Islamic world should be seen through this filter of his monumental ignorance.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 9:18:19 AM   
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greta, outside of the Olympic path, triathlons are non-governmental entities. that is, the woman in question here was not an "official" representative of iran in the sense of that she was receiving government sanction/support for her participation. they have no standing to allow, or disallow her to compete.


Yea but the point is, she could have just done Ironman without representing her country. BUT because she wants to enter the country competition. She is forced to wear the Hijab, for Iran to allow her to represent her Nation. Iran forced her to wear the hijab.

Greta, yes she could have participated as an individual and most likely could have dressed as she liked. BUT she wanted to represent HER country. HER country requires women to dress under certain guidelines. SHE KNEW THAT. And THAT is the country she CHOSE to represent . . . a country that required her to dress that way. There was no "poor her". If she didn't want to dress that way, then she should NOT have chosen to represent a country that treats women that way. Her choice. She could have chosen to go as an individual as a protest to the way HER COUNTRY treats women. But she CHOSE to represent her country and the way it treats women.

Go read the last paragraph of the article again. She totally agrees with being covered in clothing. Again, there is no "poor her" about the whole thing.

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 10:19:25 AM   
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For one of those Muslim countries that somehow managed to slaughter or drive out or do whatever they did to all of the non-Muslims who lived there prior to the Muslim takeover, they're a somewhat moderate country


Saudi Arabia is a "somewhat moderate country"!!! WTF!!! This claim is so idiotic it could only be advanced by someone totally ignorant of the Muslim world or ... a stand up comedian truly desperate for laughs. Nor is this the first time Bosco advanced this absurd bit of nonsense. It seems incredible but Bosco might actually believe this surreal claim to be true.

Because no one in their right mind would ever describe Saudi Arabia as a "somewhat moderate country". It is widely acknowledged as possibly the most extreme country in the Muslim world. It practices sharia law to the letter, the State religion is the Whahabbi sect the same ideology which fuels extemist jihadi terrorism groups such as IS or Al Quada, its religious police are the most rigid and uncompromising in implementing sharia of all the Muslim countries, the status of women is probably the worst in the Muslim world, its human rights record is appalling, its military are engaged in systematic slaughter of civilians, war crimes and other atrocities in Yemen ... I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. This is the medieval hell hole that Bosco is insisting is a charming moderate bunch of misunderstood nice guys

On just about every criterion by which these things can be judged, Saudi ranks as the most extreme and fantical Muslim State in the world. The Saudis make the Taliban seem positively liberal and the Iranian mullahs seem benign and sophisticated. Yet here we have Saudi's BFF on these boards singing their praises. It just goes to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever how microscopically little Bosco knows about or understands the Muslim world, or the Islamic religion.

Please bear this in mind whenever you encounter one of Bosco's frequent missives on Islam on these boards in future.


Why don't you just go ahead and name all of the Muslim countries that have slaughtered etc 99.999% of all non-Muslims that are more moderate, fool

You are the one making the claim that Saudi Arabia is a citadel of moderation in the Muslim world. It's up to you to provide evidence to support this claim, if you can find any. You made the claim - so back it up.

When you have finished your fool's errand of trying (and failing) to find supporting evidence, and realise that there isn't a shred of evidence in existence to support your idiotic claim, will it be too much to hope you will be man enough to admit you are not just wrong but wildly wrong?

Here's a tip for your research: Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that denies driving licences to women. Just one indicator of how extreme your friends in Saudi Arabia are. Remember these are the ones who you want to supply with the all the arms they want (and they sure want plenty) presumably so they can continue butchering civilians in Yemen.

It all adds up to one more indicator of the monumental immensity of your ignorance about Islam and the Islamic world.



You can’t do it

You’re just another empty-headed howler troll... Armed with little more than your debate fallacies

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RE: Yay Saudi Women finally allowed into Sports Stadium... - 10/30/2017 11:14:36 AM   
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For one of those Muslim countries that somehow managed to slaughter or drive out or do whatever they did to all of the non-Muslims who lived there prior to the Muslim takeover, they're a somewhat moderate country


Saudi Arabia is a "somewhat moderate country"!!! WTF!!! This claim is so idiotic it could only be advanced by someone totally ignorant of the Muslim world or ... a stand up comedian truly desperate for laughs. Nor is this the first time Bosco advanced this absurd bit of nonsense. It seems incredible but Bosco might actually believe this surreal claim to be true.

Because no one in their right mind would ever describe Saudi Arabia as a "somewhat moderate country". It is widely acknowledged as possibly the most extreme country in the Muslim world. It practices sharia law to the letter, the State religion is the Whahabbi sect the same ideology which fuels extemist jihadi terrorism groups such as IS or Al Quada, its religious police are the most rigid and uncompromising in implementing sharia of all the Muslim countries, the status of women is probably the worst in the Muslim world, its human rights record is appalling, its military are engaged in systematic slaughter of civilians, war crimes and other atrocities in Yemen ... I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. This is the medieval hell hole that Bosco is insisting is a charming moderate bunch of misunderstood nice guys

On just about every criterion by which these things can be judged, Saudi ranks as the most extreme and fantical Muslim State in the world. The Saudis make the Taliban seem positively liberal and the Iranian mullahs seem benign and sophisticated. Yet here we have Saudi's BFF on these boards singing their praises. It just goes to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever how microscopically little Bosco knows about or understands the Muslim world, or the Islamic religion.

Please bear this in mind whenever you encounter one of Bosco's frequent missives on Islam on these boards in future.


Why don't you just go ahead and name all of the Muslim countries that have slaughtered etc 99.999% of all non-Muslims that are more moderate, fool

You are the one making the claim that Saudi Arabia is a citadel of moderation in the Muslim world. It's up to you to provide evidence to support this claim, if you can find any. You made the claim - so back it up.

When you have finished your fool's errand of trying (and failing) to find supporting evidence, and realise that there isn't a shred of evidence in existence to support your idiotic claim, will it be too much to hope you will be man enough to admit you are not just wrong but wildly wrong?

Here's a tip for your research: Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that denies driving licences to women. Just one indicator of how extreme your friends in Saudi Arabia are. Remember these are the ones who you want to supply with the all the arms they want (and they sure want plenty) presumably so they can continue butchering civilians in Yemen.

It all adds up to one more indicator of the monumental immensity of your ignorance about Islam and the Islamic world.



You can’t do it

You’re just another empty-headed howler troll... Armed with little more than your debate fallacies

So you've got nothing to support your claims about the Saudis, and are resorting to name calling and evasion instead as usual.
How unusual...

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