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Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 4:19:56 PM   
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https://amp.usatoday.com/story/811401001/

WASHINGTON – President Trump has hit a new low in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll following weeks of defections from Republican senators and squabbling over sympathy calls to the families of fallen soldiers.

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The 38% approval rating is the worst in modern times for a president at the nine-month mark of his presidency. George W. Bush was at 88% the month after the Sept. 11 attacks, while Barack Obama was at 51% and Bill Clinton was at 47% in October of 2009 and 1993, respectively.

In the following years, Clinton's Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress, while Obama's Democrats forfeited the House of Representatives. One bright spot for Republicans this time: House members will be running largely in districts drawn by GOP state legislatures.
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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 4:36:56 PM   
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Name a president that has had a fake Russian document (the Russian dossier that Hillary bought straight from her Kremlin friends) driving an avalanche of disinformation against him to include criminal investigations accusing him and his family and associates of literally treason

Obama's FBI used the dossier to justify spying on the Trump campaign, the Democrats practically begged for us to go to war over it... Democrats continue to lie about having any knowledge of it, refuse to admit who paid for it...

What are their approval numbers btw



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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 5:01:44 PM   
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Hillary was never POTUS, so she doesnt have a POTUS rating. Obama's approval rating is just a matter of looking it up at any point along his POTUS trajectory...which ended when Trump became POTUS in the beginning of 2017.

Trump's basement level approval rating is all Trump

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 5:04:47 PM   
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https://amp.usatoday.com/story/811401001/

WASHINGTON – President Trump has hit a new low in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll following weeks of defections from Republican senators and squabbling over sympathy calls to the families of fallen soldiers.

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The 38% approval rating is the worst in modern times for a president at the nine-month mark of his presidency. George W. Bush was at 88% the month after the Sept. 11 attacks, while Barack Obama was at 51% and Bill Clinton was at 47% in October of 2009 and 1993, respectively.

In the following years, Clinton's Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress, while Obama's Democrats forfeited the House of Representatives. One bright spot for Republicans this time: House members will be running largely in districts drawn by GOP state legislatures.

At the same time: Second quarter of 3% GDP growth, 1.5 million people off welfare, 4.2% unemployment rate, Stock Market up, consumer confidence up. All concrete things to campaign on. The wall is moving forward, if slowly, Trump actually has crossed to negotiate with the Democrats, something Obama refused to do. I'd say if the Republicans fuck up the tax cuts like they di repeal and replacing Obamacare then there is a concern. But, hell, if the Republicans fuck that up they deserve to lose. If you remember back, Republicans have been trying to replace establishment congressmen for years. It'll be too bad if they fuck up enough to allow Pelosi to run the House again, but one way or another the Republicans in congress will learn to listen to the electorate.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 5:17:33 PM   
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This poll is worthless and means absolutely nothing. Who cares. Maybe this time of year in 2020 it might be worth looking at, but not now.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 5:35:00 PM   
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They’re Trump-strong in rural Iowa — and not changing their minds

PELLA, IOWA

I’m a political junkie. Every day I read The Washington Post and The New York Times, among other media giants, with great interest and appreciation. I understand and value the great writing, thoughtful analysis, logic and reasoning. And the fact checking. Especially the fact checking.

Given that I live in Iowa, The Des Moines Register, The Chicago Tribune and The Kansas City Star are among my favorites as well. I also try to catch a variety of broadcast news organizations over the course of the evening. Being ADD, Twitter presents an endless buffet of delightful and distracting news commentary and stories.

I’m learning that President Donald Trump continues to offend, make missteps, court World War III and faces isolation in the face of the worst presidential polling in history. That he faces possible impeachment, or removal from office when his cabinet invokes Section 25 of the Constitution. I learn that the Republican Party is in disarray and may never recover. In this chaos commentators are speculating just how many Democrats will gain seats in the House and Senate and if it will be enough to take over one or both bodies of Congress in 2018. Possible Democratic candidates for president are being vetted for 2020.


This is delusional.


Here in conservative rural America, Trump is ascendant.

I was loafing in a booth at the coffee shop Saturday morning, and my friend Mark said something like, “Hey Bob, if you want to understand why rural conservatives like Trump, watch the speech he gave at the Values Voters Summit.”

I replied, “Just tell me why,” not wanting to tell Mark I can hardly stand to watch or listen to Trump, I despise him so. I thought, how perfectly ironic and hypocritical of the religious right to have a man without honor or dignity preach about “values.”

“No, you have to watch it first. Then we’ll talk,” he said.

I tried to remember what I had read about the speech. The only thing I could recall was that Trump had made either a mistake, or misspoke and had referred to the Governor of Puerto as the president. The media had been all over the gaffe. What a clown, a buffoon Trump is! More evidence of his ignorance, his lack of preparation, basic courtesy, and more proof of how unfit he is for office. While certainly more was reported on his speech, that is what I remembered.

While I couldn’t bring myself to actually watch Trump give his speech, I read the transcript as provided by the White House.

Looking only at the written word, and putting Trump’s arrogant off-script comments aside, it was a beautiful speech. Powerful. Inspirational. Brilliant even.

That’s not what I took from the reporting — which may well be the fault of my selective reading and viewing — but if President Barack Obama had given a similar speech I know much of the media would have lauded it, leaving me with a completely different perspective of the speech, and likely of the man.

Doing my best to understand how my conservative friends might read Trump’s speech, I read it again. Only this time, I contrasted Trump’s messaging with how rural conservatives often view Democratic messaging. Here goes.

Trump began by saying we are a nation of believers and that “together we are strengthened and sustained by the power of prayer.” Democrats want prayer out of the public sphere.

Trump called the Las Vegas shooting a “horrific mass murder” and an “act of pure evil.” Democrats blame the guns and want to take yours away.

Trump honored the heroes of Las Vegas, including the police officers and other first responders. Democrats elevate thugs and view our protectors in blue with disdain.

Trump quotes scripture. Democrats ridicule those who do.

Trump stresses unity. Democrats divide American society into victims and oppressors.

Trump says, “We love our country.” Obama went on an international apology tour.

Trump says, “We cherish the sacred dignity of every human life.” Democrats murder babies.

Trump says, “We believe in strong families.” Democratic policies pull them apart.

Trump says, “We are proud of our history.” Democrats tear down monuments.

Trump says, “We respect our great American flag.” Democrats take a knee.

I could go on. There’s much, much more in Trump’s speech that’s fodder for conservative thought.

So, big media, keep up the great writing, thoughtful analysis, logic and reasoning. And fact checking. But, remember here in Trumplandia, you won’t change any minds. The cultural fissure is too deep, and relates to fundamentally different worldviews with respect to freedom and the nature of man.

Given so, Trump’s sinking poll numbers are irrelevant. My conservative friends will vote for a fence post before they vote for a Democrat.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 6:22:09 PM   
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This poll is worthless and means absolutely nothing. Who cares. Maybe this time of year in 2020 it might be worth looking at, but not now.


Yes it's like the score during the first 3 quarters of a Patriots game.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 6:32:23 PM   
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This poll is worthless and means absolutely nothing. Who cares. Maybe this time of year in 2020 it might be worth looking at, but not now.

I believe the OP was in reference to the 2018 elections. Losing the House or the Senate.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 7:08:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

This poll is worthless and means absolutely nothing. Who cares. Maybe this time of year in 2020 it might be worth looking at, but not now.

I believe the OP was in reference to the 2018 elections. Losing the House or the Senate.


using the same "news" organizations and pollsters who preached that Hillary was inevitable

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 7:16:13 PM   
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Fox News Poll: Storms erode Trump's ratings

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/25/fox-news-poll-storms-erode-trumps-ratings.html

Was it the tweet storms or the hurricanes? Something hit President Trump’s numbers. His personal ratings have deteriorated and his job approval has hit a low.

Thirty-eight percent of voters approve of the job Trump is doing in a new Fox News poll, down from 42 percent last month. At the same time, disapproval is up 4 points to a high of 57 percent. That includes 49 percent who “strongly” disapprove.



Some of the drop comes from white men without a college degree, as 56 percent approve of the president, down from 68 percent last month. Working-class white men were a key voting bloc for him in the election (71 percent backed Trump according to the Fox News Exit Poll).

Also, his approval among white evangelical Christians went from 74 percent last month to 66 percent now. Eighty percent backed him in the election.

Approval among independents fell to 30 percent (46 percent of independents voted for Trump).

Republican support held steady at 83 percent approval.

John Kelly bests his boss: 42 percent approve of the job the White House chief of staff is doing, while 30 percent disapprove. Twenty-nine percent of voters are unable to rate him, including 25 percent of Republicans. Fewer Republicans approve of Kelly (69 percent) than Trump (83 percent). Yet more than three times as many Democrats approve of Kelly (24 vs. 7 percent).

Thirty-three percent think Trump is honest and trustworthy, though that’s hardly changed from just before the election when 35 percent felt that way (November 2016).

Roughly 4-in-10 think Trump has the knowledge (38 percent), compassion (37 percent), and judgment (37 percent) to serve effectively as president.

A similar 38 percent believe Trump “cares about people like me,” while 6-in-10 disagree (60 percent). Those most likely to feel he doesn’t care include non-whites (79 percent), women (68 percent), voters under age 45 (68 percent), and lower-income voters (67 percent).

Trump’s favorability stands at 39 percent. That’s down from 44 percent in August, and a high of 47 percent in June. His unfavorable number is 59 percent.

Voters are more favorable toward Melania Trump than her husband, but her numbers have taken a hit too. She’s at 45 percent favorable and 34 percent unfavorable. It was 51-28 percent in June.

The White House receives mixed marks for its response to recent disasters. Voters give net positive ratings for the response to the hurricanes that hit Houston (+7 points) and Florida (+2), but sharply negative ratings to how it responded to the Puerto Rico hurricane (-32), mass shooting in Las Vegas (-23), and the California wildfires (-21).

the full poll can be downloaded from here



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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 8:23:43 PM   
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Hillary was never POTUS, so she doesnt have a POTUS rating. Obama's approval rating is just a matter of looking it up at any point along his POTUS trajectory...which ended when Trump became POTUS in the beginning of 2017.

Trump's basement level approval rating is all Trump


Or the approval ratings done for and by major news media are all fake news.
Fakery over the POTUS is the new yellow journalism and click bait.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 8:38:20 PM   
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Ive got a real issue with Trump dismissing everything as "fake news" only when it happens to be a criticism of him or his administration. If you want to be a puppet for the party line, go for it.



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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/29/2017 8:45:07 PM   
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his tweeting desperation today(and most days) is so full of fake its silicone.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/30/2017 4:47:39 AM   
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Given so, Trump’s sinking poll numbers are irrelevant. My conservative friends will vote for a fence post before they vote for a Democrat.

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"5 Reasons America Will Be More Conservative, via Daniel Lang"

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I recently discovered an article by author Daniel Lang, an incredible piece brimming with optimism for us conservatives. This quote in his article sums up his argument: “I think that the political landscape in America is going to be drifting towards conservatism for the next 20-40 years.”

Do his hopes for an American conservative ascendancy seem ideal or quixotic?

Here are his five reasons for his beliefs, and I agree with him. If all things continue as they have for the last ten months, we should to prepare for a compelling conservative pre-eminence:

1. The Federal judiciary will be more conservative

The Number One argument from Trump supporters to convince dubious fellow conservatives to vote for Trump was the United State Supreme Court. Scalia’s death had placed the court in a precarious 4-4 split between liberals and conservatives. Hillary Clinton’s appointees would have reduced the United States Constitution to a parchment of suggestions.

Trump’s nomination of Neil Gorsuch to replace Antonin Scalia have confirmed that will reshape SCOTUS with a clear and convincing constitutionalist temperament. Trump’s long list of potential judicial nominees, along with toughened resolve in the US Senate to confirm judges despite politicized filibusters, all but assure a federal judiciary that will preserve and protect conservative ideals.

2. Mass immigration (including illegal immigration) will decline

Immigrant populations tend to vote Democratic. They want government largesse, or they find more appeal from the political party playing identity politics. Political assimilation takes time, too, just like cultural assimilation. Now that immigration is declining due to enforcement and robust international economic growth, the large immigrant communities in the United States will settle down, assimilate, develop prosperous careers, lasting legacies, and commit to limited governance and self-rule.

This trend will hurt the Democratic Party in particularly and liberalism general, as they have doubled down on seeking amnesty for illegals and raising immigration levels. Now all of that is going away.

3. The next generation of voters is already conservative

Post-Millennials, or Generation Z have lived through the hard times of 9-11 and the housing crises during their formative years. They experienced the devastating policies of the Obama Administration. Secular progressive puritans in the press and in education have shoved anti-American arrogance down the throats of this younger generations. Now, they are rebelling against liberalism. They are also enjoying the opportunities of a more open, entrepreneurial economy and society, brought by conservative policies. Recent discoveries in biological sciences have made them staunchly pro-life, too.

4. Liberals are not reproducing

The sexual resolution of abject liberals and progressive leftists has ended up decimating their numbers. Christians, populists, and nationalists believe in natural marriage, biological recognition of gender, and the sanctity of life. They will continue to have children, and they will replace the liberal cohorts which are dying out of their own free, misguided will. One clear proof of this is Germany, where childless Angela Merkel’s Party had the worst showing since 1948, while the Alternative for Germany enjoyed an immense surge in numbers. Their party’s leader is a social conservative with

5. Academia is going down, and with it left-wing indoctrination

Young college graduates realize that they got sold a bill of goods, with nothing to show for it but grievance and debt. All that useless theory and fantasy shoved down their throats, with the tens of thousands of dollars attached as a price tag, has woken then out of the dogmatic slumbers of subtle socialism.

Colleges are also on the brink of their own “housing" crisis. The excessive costs of a college education are turning off prospective students. Fewer kids will enroll, and the universities will have to lower costs while grappling with their overleveraged assets, including non-essential programs. This economic bubble burst in the next five years. Universities will have to shutter down operations, or shut down completely. Students will go straight into the workforce rather than take on massive debt for a worthless diploma. Nothing ensures a conservative populace than facing, embracing, and overcoming the vagaries of the real world.

Final Reflection

Daniel Lang’s analysis was thorough and engaging. Are his hopes too bullish to believe? I disagree. He provided examples which have been consistent enough to justify political and cultural projections in our favor, based on facts and discernible trends, rather than political bonhomie.

With all things considered, including a consistently conservative Trump administration and effective Congress in terms of political appointments and policy, America will not only become more conservative, but witness a dominance of center-right political victories.


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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/30/2017 7:41:21 AM   
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When his approval ratings have been rock bottom all along, what does it matter if they dip a bit lower? Same crap, same situation.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/30/2017 9:11:19 AM   
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Ive got a real issue with Trump dismissing everything as "fake news" only when it happens to be a criticism of him or his administration. If you want to be a puppet for the party line, go for it.


neither of those things can be determined without further investigation in every particular instance.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/30/2017 9:42:49 AM   
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Its not hard to see occurring, Bounty. We get "Ive got proof" with no follow through on the proof and as I said, Trump only complains about news being fake when it involves him or his cronies.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/30/2017 10:34:42 AM   
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https://amp.usatoday.com/story/811401001/

WASHINGTON – President Trump has hit a new low in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll following weeks of defections from Republican senators and squabbling over sympathy calls to the families of fallen soldiers.

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The 38% approval rating is the worst in modern times for a president at the nine-month mark of his presidency. George W. Bush was at 88% the month after the Sept. 11 attacks, while Barack Obama was at 51% and Bill Clinton was at 47% in October of 2009 and 1993, respectively.

In the following years, Clinton's Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress, while Obama's Democrats forfeited the House of Representatives. One bright spot for Republicans this time: House members will be running largely in districts drawn by GOP state legislatures.

At the same time: Second quarter of 3% GDP growth, 1.5 million people off welfare, 4.2% unemployment rate, Stock Market up, consumer confidence up. All concrete things to campaign on. The wall is moving forward, if slowly, Trump actually has crossed to negotiate with the Democrats, something Obama refused to do. I'd say if the Republicans fuck up the tax cuts like they di repeal and replacing Obamacare then there is a concern. But, hell, if the Republicans fuck that up they deserve to lose. If you remember back, Republicans have been trying to replace establishment congressmen for years. It'll be too bad if they fuck up enough to allow Pelosi to run the House again, but one way or another the Republicans in congress will learn to listen to the electorate.

Either meaningless, what Obama has wrought, or unmitigated bullshit, unfortunately...as usual.

The 'stock market' is not up...only the DOW which is 30 stocks and the other indexes, only lately. This is out 2,800 hundred stocks on the NYSE alone.

As for a congress that adopts policies of his supporters among poor and middle-class whites...don't hold your breath.

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RE: Trump's approval ratings drop - 10/30/2017 10:51:40 AM   
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Its not hard to see occurring, Bounty. We get "Ive got proof" with no follow through on the proof and as I said, Trump only complains about news being fake when it involves him or his cronies.

Well that's the only news that is fake. I find it an act of passionate professionalism when we have finally have a press that where only good news...is real news. All bad news is fake news.

Now of course, if the bad news fits your agenda and promotes your policies let alone your own personal partisan prejudices then of course...it is real news.

Real or fake news is very easy to tell apart if you just follow the right's guidelines.

Polls, surveys and all of that cranky shit about Trump, the Russians et all...is thus fake news. See ? I mean even that 83% support among the repubs is really fake news. Everybody knows it's 100%.

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