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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 8:18:59 AM   
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I posted the link to the papadoc indictment on the mueller thread too








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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 8:47:45 AM   
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It will be interesting.

Manafort 'allegedly' committed his treason before Trump hired him.

Papadopoulos did so while a member of the team. No 'alleged' as he has pled guilty


Some of the charges against manafort are for acts during 2017.

Really, and when was he booted by Trump?

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 9:19:05 AM   
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I posted the link to the papadoc indictment on the mueller thread too













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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 10:39:26 AM   
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It will be interesting.

Manafort 'allegedly' committed his treason before Trump hired him.

Papadopoulos did so while a member of the team. No 'alleged' as he has pled guilty


Some of the charges against manafort are for acts during 2017.

Really, and when was he booted by Trump?


All of their "fireworks" are turning out to be wet fizzlers

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 10:58:36 AM   
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Yes, that's what I understood the indictments to say.

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 11:13:08 AM   
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What indictments? Everything is okayalalalala. See its easy to become immersed in their reality - then you go on the twitter (two tics) and rant and rave, and drool and slobber, and fib and lie...now even I thought he should be banned of twitter and I rarely think that off anyone, anywhere.

....came to the campaign. Few people knew the young, low level volunteer named George, who has already proven to be a liar. Check the DEMS!
5:16 am - 31 Oct 2017


No doubt President Draft dodgingx5 bone spurs will defend all his chosen picks till the end, or at least until he is strung up by his neck or wrinkled knacker sack.

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 11:21:34 AM   
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After reading all the news, none of the indictments mention anything about the Trump campaign directly, or indirectly for that matter, just that all three were associated with the Trump campaign at one time.

So, to repeat what the Trumpleteers question, at this point, just where is there any fingers pointed at the president?

Other than President Trump being a jackass of epic proportions, I mean the denial of any allegations against him of sexual harassment when there was video of him admitting to sexually harassing women at the pageants he underwrote, does make him a jackass, where is their any proof that he was involved in or had knowledge of any wrong doing connected to Russia, or the Russian government tampering with the election?

Or in the case of Trump, is it guilty until proven innocent?

If anything, the only thing he may be guilty of is trying to stop investigations into the possibility of some of his associates might have been involved in criminal activities, which means one thing.

He has done nothing more or less than any other politician in modern history since Nixon (okay Nixon was guilty as shit) but remember it was not Reagan that pardoned those involved in IranContra, but President Bush after he was elected.....

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 2:35:01 PM   
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It will be interesting.

Manafort 'allegedly' committed his treason before Trump hired him.

Papadopoulos did so while a member of the team. No 'alleged' as he has pled guilty


Some of the charges against manafort are for acts during 2017.

Really, and when was he booted by Trump?

2016.

So let me make it more clear. Some of the charges are for acts carried out up to and including 2017, which means 2016 as well.


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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 3:10:28 PM   
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And yet (just to beat bosco) nothing directly points to Trump.

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 4:10:55 PM   
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It will be interesting.

Manafort 'allegedly' committed his treason before Trump hired him.

Papadopoulos did so while a member of the team. No 'alleged' as he has pled guilty


Some of the charges against manafort are for acts during 2017.

Really, and when was he booted by Trump?

2016.

So let me make it more clear. Some of the charges are for acts carried out up to and including 2017, which means 2016 as well.



He worked for Trump, what, four months? Then Trump realized what the guy was and booted him. That's evidence against Trump?

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 10/31/2017 5:21:26 PM   
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I didn't say it was evidence against Trump. That's your defensiveness talking.

I was pointing out the timeline simply because Trump said it was years before he worked for him. That's a lie.

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 12:42:30 AM   
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After reading all the news, none of the indictments mention anything about the Trump campaign directly, or indirectly for that matter, just that all three were associated with the Trump campaign at one time.

So, to repeat what the Trumpleteers question, at this point, just where is there any fingers pointed at the president?

Other than President Trump being a jackass of epic proportions, I mean the denial of any allegations against him of sexual harassment when there was video of him admitting to sexually harassing women at the pageants he underwrote, does make him a jackass, where is their any proof that he was involved in or had knowledge of any wrong doing connected to Russia, or the Russian government tampering with the election?

Or in the case of Trump, is it guilty until proven innocent?

If anything, the only thing he may be guilty of is trying to stop investigations into the possibility of some of his associates might have been involved in criminal activities, which means one thing.

He has done nothing more or less than any other politician in modern history since Nixon (okay Nixon was guilty as shit) but remember it was not Reagan that pardoned those involved in IranContra, but President Bush after he was elected.....

Nothing yet...points to Trump. Recall, it took two years for Watergate to come to fruition, 8 months after Cox was fired. In fact, similarly, nothing about Watergate pointed to Nixon...until the cover-up.

And repubs are the best at high level political pardons, it's first page in their playbook. Ford pardons Nixon and Bush pardons I think 6 altogether and IIRC, 5 were cabinet level.

I like the Geo Shultz case. Here's a guy who as Sec. of state knew the play, knew the players, lied through his teeth to everybody at DOJ, was never even an un-indicted co-conspirator, escaped charges and then wins the Pres, Freedom Medal. (they all were in the room discussing an arms for hostage deal, yet Bush says '[we] were not in the loop.'

Shultz has got to be just America's kind of black ops man.

Plus as I am sure you know, Trump could make the same mistake and has shown his underlings have problems, could get collared by any cover-up which you also know can take a long time to break open.



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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 3:38:48 AM   
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According to the FBI's Offense Statement (.pdf):
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    Through his false statements and omissions, defendant PAPADOPOULOS impeded the FBI's ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the Campaign and the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

He interfered and impeded an investigation. The offense statement neither proved nor refuted that the people Papadopoulos was in contact with actually had connections to Russian government officials. It also neither proved nor refuted that Papadopoulos ever had any direct or email contact with Russian government officials.
He is guilty of lying to the FBI, thereby impeding an ongoing investigation. In this particular instance (because there could be other instances where lying to the FBI and impeding an ongoing investigation could be treasonous), I don't see how this is treason.

The charge sheet is quite specific. Padopoulous "interfered [in] and impeded an investigation".
This gives rise to a number of further questions that are not completely answered by information available at the moment inlcuding:
*Which investigation did Padopoulous interfere with and/or impede?;
*Which form did this interference and/or impeding take?;
*Precisely what did Padopoulous hope to achieve by breaking the law in this matter ?;
*Was he breaking the law to protect his superiors?;
*How did these illegalities come to light in an investigation that focused on a possible Russian connection to the Trump campaign and Russian attempts to interfere with the election?;
*What is the connection between Padopoulous' crimes and the Russian matters? Is there a direct relationship?
*Were others involved in the Trump campaign connected to Padopoulous' crimes, and if so, what is the nature of their connection(s);
and many more questions.
Hopefully these quesitons will be answered as the investigation unfolds. The answers are bound to be intriguing, especially if it turns out that Padopoulous copped a guilty plea as part of an arrangement with Mueller which obliges him to 'spill the beans' on his superiors.
In fact the question of whether Padopoulous and Mueller have made a plea bargain deal is perhaps the most intriguing of them all ...


Actually, had you read the offense statement, I think almost all of your questions would be answered. But, that would require you actually having to click a couple links. FFS, I even included the direct link to the statement after finding it in the OP's article.

Good luck, Tweaks. I know clicking links is tough.


That document offers partial answers to some of the questions that I posed. However if you read my post carefully, you would have noted that I specifically sought "complete" answers to those questions. IOW, while helpful, partial answers are insufficient.

Some information has entered the public domain, through both official and unofficial channels, but that information raises as many questions as it does answers.

For instance, we now know that Mueller and Papadopolous have made some kind of a deal, the complete details of which have not been made public. What is the deal ?? What information and evidence has Papadopolous agreed to provide to investigators as his part of the deal? Which public figures (if any) are implicated in crimes by this information/evidence? How will this information affect the White House's current occupant and his inner circle? The information in the public arena to date suggests that there is a Pandora's box of evidence waiiting to be made available for public perusal.

It has been suggested by some that the Trump Administration is fated to suffer death by a thousand leaks. To date all the public has seen is a few jiucy drips. Who knows what will happen when the tap is opened fully and the drips replaced by a torrent of damaging (or less likely but nonetheless possible, exculpatory) evidence?

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 7:48:57 AM   
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That document offers partial answers to some of the questions that I posed. However if you read my post carefully, you would have noted that I specifically sought "complete" answers to those questions. IOW, while helpful, partial answers are insufficient.


It answer most of the questions you posed. Apparently, you either can't read, or you don't accept what the document says.

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Some information has entered the public domain, through both official and unofficial channels, but that information raises as many questions as it does answers.
For instance, we now know that Mueller and Papadopolous have made some kind of a deal, the complete details of which have not been made public. What is the deal ?? What information and evidence has Papadopolous agreed to provide to investigators as his part of the deal? Which public figures (if any) are implicated in crimes by this information/evidence? How will this information affect the White House's current occupant and his inner circle? The information in the public arena to date suggests that there is a Pandora's box of evidence waiiting to be made available for public perusal.
It has been suggested by some that the Trump Administration is fated to suffer death by a thousand leaks. To date all the public has seen is a few jiucy drips. Who knows what will happen when the tap is opened fully and the drips replaced by a torrent of damaging (or less likely but nonetheless possible, exculpatory) evidence?


None of it will satisfy your distaste for Trump. That is, pretty much, guaranteed.



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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 10:31:19 AM   
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/trump-russia-mueller-indictment.html

WASHINGTON — The guilty plea of a 30-year-old campaign aide — so green that he listed Model United Nations in his qualifications — shifted the narrative on Monday of the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russia: Court documents revealed that Russian officials alerted the campaign, through an intermediary in April 2016, that they possessed thousands of Democratic emails and other “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.

That was two months before the Russian hacking of the Democratic National Committee was publicly revealed and the stolen emails began to appear online. The new court filings provided the first clear evidence that Trump campaign aides had early knowledge that Russia had stolen confidential documents on Mrs. Clinton and the committee, a tempting trove in a close presidential contest.

By the time of a crucial meeting in June of last year, when Donald Trump Jr. and other senior Trump campaign officials met with a Russian lawyer offering damaging information on Mrs. Clinton, some may have known for weeks that Russia had material likely obtained by illegal hacking, the new documents suggested. The disclosures added to the evidence pointing to attempts at collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, but they appeared to fall short of proof that they conspired in the hacking or other illegal acts.

The improbable figure at the center of the new information was a “foreign policy adviser” to Mr. Trump, George Papadopoulos. It was Mr. Papadopoulos, one of three men whose charges were announced on Monday, who appears to have been the first campaign aide to learn about the Russian hacking of Democratic targets.

A crucial detail is still missing: Whether and when Mr. Papadopoulos told senior Trump campaign officials about Russia’s possession of hacked emails. And it appears that the young aide’s quest for a deeper connection with Russian officials, while he aggressively pursued it, led nowhere.

Continue reading the main story
Mr. Papadopoulos repeatedly promoted the idea of a “history making” meeting between Mr. Trump and Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president. Senior campaign officials, however, said that Mr. Trump should not make the trip and leave it to someone “low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal,’’ according to an email cited in court documents.

Mr. Papadopoulos then proposed that he himself, perhaps with another campaign official, travel to Moscow to meet with the Russians.

“The trip proposed by defendant PAPADOPOULOS did not take place,” prosecutors wrote.

To grasp the significance of Monday’s developments, it helps to recall exactly how the Russian attack unfolded.

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George Papadopoulos, a former campaign adviser to Donald Trump.
In September 2015, the F.B.I. made its first call to the Democratic National Committee to report evidence of Russian hackers inside the committee’s network. But for seven months, the word never got beyond an I.T. contractor, and the hackers apparently had the run of confidential emails and other files.

During that time, Mr. Trump was pressed to assemble a team of foreign policy advisers, a difficult task because he was shunned by many Republicans who had served in earlier administrations. In early March, Mr. Papadopoulos, who had been helping the beleaguered campaign of Dr. Ben Carson, offered his services to the Trump campaign.

Around March 6, documents say, a campaign supervisor – identified by a former Trump adviser as Sam Clovis – told Mr. Papadopoulos, then living in London, that “a principal foreign policy focus of the campaign was an improved relationship with Russia.”

A week later, traveling in Italy, Mr. Papadopoulos encountered a London-based professor of international relations, Joseph Mifsud, who claimed to have “substantial connections with Russian government officials.” (The court documents do not name Mr. Mifsud, but a Senate aide briefed on the case identified him as the professor in question.)

Unimpressed by Mr. Papadopoulos at first, Mr. Mifsud became far more interested when he learned that the young traveler was working for the Trump campaign. The two men met again in London on March 24, when the professor introduced Mr. Papadopoulos to a Russian woman he said was a relative of Mr. Putin with close ties to senior Russian officials.

The same week, Mr. Trump, visiting The Washington Post, was pressed to name his foreign policy team. He read out five names, most of them with modest or nonexistent public profiles – including Mr. Papadopoulos. Mr. Papadopoulos began emailing campaign officials about his new contacts with his “good friend” Mr. Mifsud and the Russian woman, whom he incorrectly believed was Mr. Putin’s niece, and the possibility of a Trump-Putin meeting.


On March 31, back in Washington, Mr. Papadopoulos met Mr. Trump for the first time at a gathering of his new foreign policy team at the candidate’s Washington hotel. According to the former Trump adviser who was there, and who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid offending former colleagues, Mr. Papadopoulos spoke for a few minutes about his Russian contacts and the prospects for a meeting with the Russian president.

But several people in the room began to raise questions about the wisdom of a meeting with Mr. Putin, noting that Russia was under sanctions from the United States. Jeff Sessions, now attorney general and then a senator from Alabama who was counseling Mr. Trump on national security, “shut George down,” the adviser said. “He said, ‘We’re not going to do it’ and he added, ‘I’d prefer that nobody speak about this again.’”

But Mr. Papadopoulos was not deterred, the documents say, and he continued to communicate with Mr. Mifsud and the Russian woman about more contacts. The Russian woman wrote on April 11, “we are all very excited by the possibility of a good relationship with Mr. Trump.” Mr. Mifsud introduced Mr. Papadopoulos over email to a Moscow contact who said he had connections to the Russian foreign ministry. They spoke repeatedly over Skype about a possible Moscow trip, the documents say.


On April 26 came a crucial meeting. At breakfast at a London hotel, Mr. Mifsud told Mr. Papadopoulos that he had just returned from Moscow, where he had “learned that the Russians had obtained ‘dirt’ on then-candidate Clinton.” Mr. Mifsud said he had been told the Russians had “thousands of emails.”

On May 4, the Russian contact with ties to the foreign ministry wrote to Mr. Papadopoulos and Mr. Mifsud, saying ministry officials were “open for cooperation.” Mr. Papadopoulos forwarded the message to a senior campaign official, asking whether the contacts were “something we want to move forward with.”

The court documents describe in detail how Mr. Papadopoulos continued to report to senior campaign officials on his efforts to arrange meetings with Russian officials, which The Washington Post reported on in August. But the documents do not say explicitly whether, and to whom, he passed on his most explosive discovery – that the Russians had what they considered compromising emails on Mr. Trump’s opponent.

J.D. Gordon, a former Pentagon official who worked for the Trump campaign as a national security adviser and helped arrange the March 31 foreign policy meeting, said he had known nothing about Mr. Papadopoulos’ discovery that Russia had obtained Democratic emails or of his prolonged pursuit of meetings with Russians.

“I was surprised to learn what George Papadopoulos was up to during the campaign,” Mr. Gordon said in a text message. “He obviously went to great lengths to go around me and Senator Sessions.”

Mr. Gordon said that such end-runs around normal channels are common in presidential campaigns. “It’s very hard to know what every single person is doing, especially since some folks deliberately go around the chain of command,” he said. “But George Papadopoulos obviously represents an extreme case.”

Prosecutors may have deliberately left salient details out of the documents filed in court to protect the continuing investigation. But what they did say portrays Mr. Papadopoulos as continuing for months to arrange meetings with Russian officials. As late as August 2016, Mr. Papadopoulos was advised by a campaign official, apparently Mr. Clovis, to travel to Moscow “if it is feasible.”

Instead of opening a new era in relations with Russia, Mr. Papadopoulos found himself caught up in the investigation of the Russian interference in the American election. The documents accuse him of lying to F.B.I. agents in two interviews, first on Jan. 27 and then on Feb. 16, when he “reiterated his purported willingness to cooperate with the F.B.I.’s investigation,” according to an affidavit filed by Robert M. Gibbs, an F.B.I. agent investigating the case.

On Feb. 17, the agent wrote, Mr. Papadopoulos shut down the Facebook account he had used since 2005, including to exchange messages with the intermediaries for Russia. Prosecutors considered that to be obstruction of justice, and it became part of the case that concluded Oct. 5 when Mr. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to make a false statement to the F.B.I., which carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison.

Correction: November 1, 2017
An article on Tuesday about the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russia misstated the steps that prosecutors took in connection with George Papadopoulos. Prosecutors unsealed Mr. Papadopoulos’s guilty plea on Monday; he was not indicted on Monday. (Mr. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to making a false statement to the F.B.I.)




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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 11:24:44 AM   
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And with Trump such a brilliant businessman surrounding himself with the topflight talent that he delegates to, because of his smart business man talent surrounding capabilities, how can this happen? (I mean, without Hillary Clinton being directly involved and calling the shots?)

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 12:54:54 PM   
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/trump-russia-mueller-indictment.html

WASHINGTON — The guilty plea of a 30-year-old campaign aide — so green that he listed Model United Nations in his qualifications — shifted the narrative on Monday of the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russia: Court documents revealed that Russian officials alerted the campaign, through an intermediary in April 2016, that they possessed thousands of Democratic emails and other “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.

That was two months before the Russian hacking of the Democratic National Committee was publicly revealed and the stolen emails began to appear online. The new court filings provided the first clear evidence that Trump campaign aides had early knowledge that Russia had stolen confidential documents on Mrs. Clinton and the committee, a tempting trove in a close presidential contest.

By the time of a crucial meeting in June of last year, when Donald Trump Jr. and other senior Trump campaign officials met with a Russian lawyer offering damaging information on Mrs. Clinton, some may have known for weeks that Russia had material likely obtained by illegal hacking, the new documents suggested. The disclosures added to the evidence pointing to attempts at collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, but they appeared to fall short of proof that they conspired in the hacking or other illegal acts.

The improbable figure at the center of the new information was a “foreign policy adviser” to Mr. Trump, George Papadopoulos. It was Mr. Papadopoulos, one of three men whose charges were announced on Monday, who appears to have been the first campaign aide to learn about the Russian hacking of Democratic targets.

A crucial detail is still missing: Whether and when Mr. Papadopoulos told senior Trump campaign officials about Russia’s possession of hacked emails. And it appears that the young aide’s quest for a deeper connection with Russian officials, while he aggressively pursued it, led nowhere.

Continue reading the main story
Mr. Papadopoulos repeatedly promoted the idea of a “history making” meeting between Mr. Trump and Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president. Senior campaign officials, however, said that Mr. Trump should not make the trip and leave it to someone “low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal,’’ according to an email cited in court documents.

Mr. Papadopoulos then proposed that he himself, perhaps with another campaign official, travel to Moscow to meet with the Russians.

“The trip proposed by defendant PAPADOPOULOS did not take place,” prosecutors wrote.

To grasp the significance of Monday’s developments, it helps to recall exactly how the Russian attack unfolded.

Photo

George Papadopoulos, a former campaign adviser to Donald Trump.
In September 2015, the F.B.I. made its first call to the Democratic National Committee to report evidence of Russian hackers inside the committee’s network. But for seven months, the word never got beyond an I.T. contractor, and the hackers apparently had the run of confidential emails and other files.

During that time, Mr. Trump was pressed to assemble a team of foreign policy advisers, a difficult task because he was shunned by many Republicans who had served in earlier administrations. In early March, Mr. Papadopoulos, who had been helping the beleaguered campaign of Dr. Ben Carson, offered his services to the Trump campaign.

Around March 6, documents say, a campaign supervisor – identified by a former Trump adviser as Sam Clovis – told Mr. Papadopoulos, then living in London, that “a principal foreign policy focus of the campaign was an improved relationship with Russia.”

A week later, traveling in Italy, Mr. Papadopoulos encountered a London-based professor of international relations, Joseph Mifsud, who claimed to have “substantial connections with Russian government officials.” (The court documents do not name Mr. Mifsud, but a Senate aide briefed on the case identified him as the professor in question.)

Unimpressed by Mr. Papadopoulos at first, Mr. Mifsud became far more interested when he learned that the young traveler was working for the Trump campaign. The two men met again in London on March 24, when the professor introduced Mr. Papadopoulos to a Russian woman he said was a relative of Mr. Putin with close ties to senior Russian officials.

The same week, Mr. Trump, visiting The Washington Post, was pressed to name his foreign policy team. He read out five names, most of them with modest or nonexistent public profiles – including Mr. Papadopoulos. Mr. Papadopoulos began emailing campaign officials about his new contacts with his “good friend” Mr. Mifsud and the Russian woman, whom he incorrectly believed was Mr. Putin’s niece, and the possibility of a Trump-Putin meeting.


On March 31, back in Washington, Mr. Papadopoulos met Mr. Trump for the first time at a gathering of his new foreign policy team at the candidate’s Washington hotel. According to the former Trump adviser who was there, and who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid offending former colleagues, Mr. Papadopoulos spoke for a few minutes about his Russian contacts and the prospects for a meeting with the Russian president.

But several people in the room began to raise questions about the wisdom of a meeting with Mr. Putin, noting that Russia was under sanctions from the United States. Jeff Sessions, now attorney general and then a senator from Alabama who was counseling Mr. Trump on national security, “shut George down,” the adviser said. “He said, ‘We’re not going to do it’ and he added, ‘I’d prefer that nobody speak about this again.’”

But Mr. Papadopoulos was not deterred, the documents say, and he continued to communicate with Mr. Mifsud and the Russian woman about more contacts. The Russian woman wrote on April 11, “we are all very excited by the possibility of a good relationship with Mr. Trump.” Mr. Mifsud introduced Mr. Papadopoulos over email to a Moscow contact who said he had connections to the Russian foreign ministry. They spoke repeatedly over Skype about a possible Moscow trip, the documents say.


On April 26 came a crucial meeting. At breakfast at a London hotel, Mr. Mifsud told Mr. Papadopoulos that he had just returned from Moscow, where he had “learned that the Russians had obtained ‘dirt’ on then-candidate Clinton.” Mr. Mifsud said he had been told the Russians had “thousands of emails.”

On May 4, the Russian contact with ties to the foreign ministry wrote to Mr. Papadopoulos and Mr. Mifsud, saying ministry officials were “open for cooperation.” Mr. Papadopoulos forwarded the message to a senior campaign official, asking whether the contacts were “something we want to move forward with.”

The court documents describe in detail how Mr. Papadopoulos continued to report to senior campaign officials on his efforts to arrange meetings with Russian officials, which The Washington Post reported on in August. But the documents do not say explicitly whether, and to whom, he passed on his most explosive discovery – that the Russians had what they considered compromising emails on Mr. Trump’s opponent.

J.D. Gordon, a former Pentagon official who worked for the Trump campaign as a national security adviser and helped arrange the March 31 foreign policy meeting, said he had known nothing about Mr. Papadopoulos’ discovery that Russia had obtained Democratic emails or of his prolonged pursuit of meetings with Russians.

“I was surprised to learn what George Papadopoulos was up to during the campaign,” Mr. Gordon said in a text message. “He obviously went to great lengths to go around me and Senator Sessions.”

Mr. Gordon said that such end-runs around normal channels are common in presidential campaigns. “It’s very hard to know what every single person is doing, especially since some folks deliberately go around the chain of command,” he said. “But George Papadopoulos obviously represents an extreme case.”

Prosecutors may have deliberately left salient details out of the documents filed in court to protect the continuing investigation. But what they did say portrays Mr. Papadopoulos as continuing for months to arrange meetings with Russian officials. As late as August 2016, Mr. Papadopoulos was advised by a campaign official, apparently Mr. Clovis, to travel to Moscow “if it is feasible.”

Instead of opening a new era in relations with Russia, Mr. Papadopoulos found himself caught up in the investigation of the Russian interference in the American election. The documents accuse him of lying to F.B.I. agents in two interviews, first on Jan. 27 and then on Feb. 16, when he “reiterated his purported willingness to cooperate with the F.B.I.’s investigation,” according to an affidavit filed by Robert M. Gibbs, an F.B.I. agent investigating the case.

On Feb. 17, the agent wrote, Mr. Papadopoulos shut down the Facebook account he had used since 2005, including to exchange messages with the intermediaries for Russia. Prosecutors considered that to be obstruction of justice, and it became part of the case that concluded Oct. 5 when Mr. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to make a false statement to the F.B.I., which carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison.

Correction: November 1, 2017
An article on Tuesday about the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russia misstated the steps that prosecutors took in connection with George Papadopoulos. Prosecutors unsealed Mr. Papadopoulos’s guilty plea on Monday; he was not indicted on Monday. (Mr. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to making a false statement to the F.B.I.)


Papadapoulos met with Professor Mifsud and a female Russian national. Those two claimed to have connections in the Russian government. I have yet to see any article support that assertion. Papadopoulos could very easily have been little more than a stupid dupe for those two. At this point, the Russian government connections are unsubstantiated claims. And, he plead guilty to lying to the FBI.

Unfortunately for some on here, this isn't proof, whatsoever, of collusion between the campaign and Russia. Is there any actual proof that the Russians have dirt on Hillary, beyond the emails that WikiLeaks released?

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 1:03:11 PM   
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Court documents revealed that Russian officials alerted the campaign, through an intermediary in April 2016, that they possessed thousands of Democratic emails and other “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.


so im guessing it will come out..

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RE: Manafort, Gates indicted after Papadopoulos...plead... - 11/1/2017 1:23:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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Court documents revealed that Russian officials alerted the campaign, through an intermediary in April 2016, that they possessed thousands of Democratic emails and other “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.

so im guessing it will come out..


Still, that could just have been bait for a dupe. We'll have to wait and see.


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Im going on what the court docs said... ONLY
not on a hunch...
but as you say, wait and see.
Is Papadopoulos a dupe, or a dope or yes to both?


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