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I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 6:10:54 AM

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That some Churches and religions groups complain about Halloween as a celebration of a pagan holiday, as Satanic, or any number of reasons, yet they blindly celebrate Christmas on a day that was originally a high feast day for the Roman Sun god, with decorated trees that was a part a pagan celebration of the winter solstice, and seem to forget that just about every part of the Christmas holiday was stolen from pagan culture during the period when Catholic missionaries were converting pagans to Christianity, and basically assimilated pagan traditions to make it easier for these people to convert.

Really, lets celebrate the birth of Christ during a part of the year when there would be no shepherds minding their flocks in the fields because it was too damn cold at night for them to actually be out in the fields, on a day that the Romans celebrated the high feast of their sun god with blood sports with decorated trees that originally were to celebrate the winter equinox and usually came with blood sacrifices and call it proper.

And God forbid anyone point out the facts to these idiots who are set on believing that the planet is less than 10000 years old, that even the Protestant churches who condemn the catholic church are still using the same worship format, even saying a creed during their service that praises the one church, while at the same time using sacraments established by the Catholic church that is so wrong (some claiming Satanic.)

And while we are at it, look at preachers that live in million dollar plus homes preaching in churches that are more like temples to the almighty dollar than to god.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 6:12:48 AM

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That some Churches and religions groups complain about Halloween as a celebration of a pagan holiday, as Satanic, or any number of reasons, yet they blindly celebrate Christmas on a day that was originally a high feast day for the Roman Sun god, with decorated trees that was a part a pagan celebration of the winter solstice, and seem to forget that just about every part of the Christmas holiday was stolen from pagan culture during the period when Catholic missionaries were converting pagans to Christianity, and basically assimilated pagan traditions to make it easier for these people to convert.

Really, lets celebrate the birth of Christ during a part of the year when there would be no shepherds minding their flocks in the fields because it was too damn cold at night for them to actually be out in the fields, on a day that the Romans celebrated the high feast of their sun god with blood sports with decorated trees that originally were to celebrate the winter equinox and usually came with blood sacrifices and call it proper.

And God forbid anyone point out the facts to these idiots who are set on believing that the planet is less than 10000 years old, that even the Protestant churches who condemn the catholic church are still using the same worship format, even saying a creed during their service that praises the one church, while at the same time using sacraments established by the Catholic church that is so wrong (some claiming Satanic.)

And while we are at it, look at preachers that live in million dollar plus homes preaching in churches that are more like temples to the almighty dollar than to god.

What else is in your breaking news feed this morning, blind man

We are all so eager to hear

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 8:01:37 AM

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That some Churches and religions groups complain about Halloween as a celebration of a pagan holiday, as Satanic, or any number of reasons, yet they blindly celebrate Christmas on a day that was originally a high feast day for the Roman Sun god, with decorated trees that was a part a pagan celebration of the winter solstice, and seem to forget that just about every part of the Christmas holiday was stolen from pagan culture during the period when Catholic missionaries were converting pagans to Christianity, and basically assimilated pagan traditions to make it easier for these people to convert.

Really, lets celebrate the birth of Christ during a part of the year when there would be no shepherds minding their flocks in the fields because it was too damn cold at night for them to actually be out in the fields, on a day that the Romans celebrated the high feast of their sun god with blood sports with decorated trees that originally were to celebrate the winter equinox and usually came with blood sacrifices and call it proper.

And God forbid anyone point out the facts to these idiots who are set on believing that the planet is less than 10000 years old, that even the Protestant churches who condemn the catholic church are still using the same worship format, even saying a creed during their service that praises the one church, while at the same time using sacraments established by the Catholic church that is so wrong (some claiming Satanic.)

And while we are at it, look at preachers that live in million dollar plus homes preaching in churches that are more like temples to the almighty dollar than to god.

What else is in your breaking news feed this morning, blind man

We are all so eager to hear

An ad hominem, completely ignoring the topic raised, and a cheap dig.
Classy.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 9:47:07 AM

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Oh, boy! This is gonna be fun!

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That some Churches and religions groups complain about Halloween as a celebration of a pagan holiday, as Satanic, or any number of reasons, yet they blindly celebrate Christmas on a day that was originally a high feast day for the Roman Sun god, with decorated trees that was a part a pagan celebration of the winter solstice, and seem to forget that just about every part of the Christmas holiday was stolen from pagan culture during the period when Catholic missionaries were converting pagans to Christianity, and basically assimilated pagan traditions to make it easier for these people to convert.

Really, lets celebrate the birth of Christ during a part of the year when there would be no shepherds minding their flocks in the fields because it was too damn cold at night for them to actually be out in the fields, on a day that the Romans celebrated the high feast of their sun god with blood sports with decorated trees that originally were to celebrate the winter equinox and usually came with blood sacrifices and call it proper.

Many Christians know what 25 DEC is. In fact, I recently came across at least one reference, when I was busy, busting someone else on some bullshit statement they'd made.

The early Christians definitely set out to co-opt pagan holidays and rituals in order to convert as many pagans as possible to Christianity. It was a smart political move.

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And God forbid anyone point out the facts to these idiots who are set on believing that the planet is less than 10000 years old, that even the Protestant churches who condemn the catholic church are still using the same worship format, even saying a creed during their service that praises the one church, while at the same time using sacraments established by the Catholic church that is so wrong (some claiming Satanic.)

And while we are at it, look at preachers that live in million dollar plus homes preaching in churches that are more like temples to the almighty dollar than to god.

Another fun one!

I don't know many Christians who believe the world is less than 10,000 years old, but I do know plenty, when asked: "How could your 'god' have created this planet in only six days?" will answer: "How long is a 'day' to God?" God lives in a big, giant, "now" since he has no beginning and no end.

Could one of God's "days" last for 2 Billion years? If God is eternal, time is a concept for which He has no use. Time is a human construct. It always has been.

Your mention of "creed" seems to point to the "Apostles Creed" (which was actually changed by the Vatican with their "Vatican II" fiasco)? If I'm right (and I know I am because of the references to protestant churches still using this creed and I KNOW the Lutherans use the original, un-edited version), you're missing something: "Catholic" is the Greek word for "universal". So, the reference isn't a nod to the Church of Rome, but it is a deference to the original language in which the creed was (probably) written.

You vacillate between silly, "oh-that's-just-crazy-uncle-jif" posts and trying to paint yourself as the only voice of reason.

Bless your heart and Merry CHRISTmas.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 9:52:20 AM

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A day was as long to god as it was to everyone else in the creation. Because if you believe any of the horseshit surrounding this god, he made night and day. Days are much longer now than they were then, so that stupidity doesnt work.

Why not co-opt pagan religions? Jeebus is one of them.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 9:54:45 AM

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Oh, boy! This is gonna be fun!

What's REALLY fun is how these same howlers embrace Muslims, who have traditionally slaughtered pagans and other unbelievers outright wherever they have held the upper hand (with hundreds of millions slaughtered so far)

Whereas Christians merely joined in the festive partying (as the blind man himself admits)

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 10:18:37 AM

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Oh, boy! This is gonna be fun!

What's REALLY fun is how these same howlers embrace Muslims, who have traditionally slaughtered pagans and other unbelievers outright wherever they have held the upper hand (with hundreds of millions slaughtered so far)

Whereas Christians merely joined in the festive partying (as the blind man himself admits)

Right, not like the Christian Orthodox Serbs in former Yugoslavia didnt massacre a few million Muslims and Croats during the war in former Yugoslavia between 1992- 1995, Christians dont do that sort of thing in modern times....

Of course, the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne didnt slaughter thousands of pagans in Germany who refused to convert to Christianity.

And the slaughter of hundreds of thousands Native Americans by 'Christian' Americans during the westward expansion before during and after the Revolutionary war.

Then there were the few million slaughtered by Spanish and Portuguese in Central and South America during that 'Christianization' of that part of the world.

The slaughter of conquered peoples is not just traditionally Muslim, it has been the practice of every conquering power through out history. It has had many names from 'Americanization' to 'ethnic cleansing,' and every colonial power has done it. The Americans did it in the Philippines, the British Empire did it in every colony they had, the colonial government in Australia turned a blind eye to the massacres of Aborigines for God knows how long.

So blaming just the Muslims is a bit myopic, proving nothing more that you are attempting to rewrite history in order to justify your bullshit.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 10:32:46 AM

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Right, not like the Christian Orthodox Serbs in former Yugoslavia didnt massacre a few million Muslims and Croats during the war in former Yugoslavia between 1992- 1995, Christians dont do that sort of thing in modern times....

Lets see your link to your mad howling (because that is a lie )

Thousands were killed at most, and unlike Islam such atrocities are contrary to Christian teachings rather than the fulfillment of them

And wasn't it pushback, against Muslim genocide?

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Of course, the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne didnt slaughter thousands of pagans in Germany who refused to convert to Christianity.

Again, contrary to Christian principles (if true). The rest of your broad generalized propaganda is just as stupid and deceitful

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 10:43:37 AM

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Nods. In part it is why I dislike religion - you can also apply that to say Hitler etc.

Is it more an ideology? Man killing man

Did I tell you I watched a few hours of FOXshit & imaginary Friends this week Boscox? that truly is some scary shit Boscox them pushing their ideology (and Murdoch's), and trump pushing his on Twitter and to the American press.

Oh wait the Pagan thing - yes ironic isn't it.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 10:44:42 AM

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Of course, the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne didnt slaughter thousands of pagans in Germany who refused to convert to Christianity.

Again, contrary to Christian principles (if true). The rest of your broad generalized propaganda is just as stupid and deceitful

*does his best "Ralph Cramden" voice:

Now, wait just a cotton-pickin' minute! jif is right about this (mark this date on your calendar). The "Germans" (who, at the time, were referred to as "Visigoths") were definitely hit hard by Charlemagne who carried the title of "Emperor", but it was really just a title and Charlemagne was acting out of a sense of revenge.

The Western Roman Empire had fallen a couple of centuries previous. It was taken down by the Visigoths who performed a few heinous violent acts of their own. They laid siege to Rome and starved it into submission. Some stories have people resorting to cannibalism.

When the gates were opened, everyone left alive who wasn't deemed fit to be a slave was slaughtered ... women ... children ... nothing was spared.

Yeah, the Visigoths were just largely misunderstood.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 11:20:34 AM

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Thousands were killed at most, and unlike Islam such atrocities are contrary to Christian teachings rather than the fulfillment of them

Try telling that to the Cathars.
Oh! You can't can you? The christians killed them all.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 11:47:51 AM

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Right, not like the Christian Orthodox Serbs in former Yugoslavia didnt massacre a few million Muslims and Croats during the war in former Yugoslavia between 1992- 1995, Christians dont do that sort of thing in modern times....

Lets see your link to your mad howling (because that is a lie )

Thousands were killed at most, and unlike Islam such atrocities are contrary to Christian teachings rather than the fulfillment of them

And wasn't it pushback, against Muslim genocide?

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Of course, the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne didnt slaughter thousands of pagans in Germany who refused to convert to Christianity.

Again, contrary to Christian principles (if true). The rest of your broad generalized propaganda is just as stupid and deceitful

200,000 confirmed, however there are still a lot of Croats and Muslims from the region unaccounted for.

And no, it was not a 'pushback' against Muslim genocide, it was an outright attempt to cleanse the country of non Serbs, since, Croats were not Muslim, but Orthodox Christians.

Christians going contrary to their teachings, I guess you forgot the fact that in Rwanda in 1994, Hutu preachers invoked King Saul's memory to justify the total slaughter of their Tutsi neighbors?

Or that the Catholics used King Saul to justify the wars against the Protestants, and vice versa, and Christian preachers in the Americas used him as justification for what was done against the Native Americans.

You forget that Christians revere the entire bible, not just the new testament, and have used both to justify everything from "God in punishing the United States because of the acceptance of homosexuals" which has been said about 9/11 and just about every natural disaster since, along with all the men and women who died in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If it aint in the new testament, it is in there somewhere, of course, there was a few times when Christians let someone else do the dirty work, like Mountain Meadows.

And as for the 'revenge' theory on the conquest of the Visogoths and Saxons by Charlemagne, I take it your history classes or books never mentioned that one of the stipulations for peace was that they would convert to Catholicism or be executed?

FYI, the Holy Roman Empire replaced the Western Roman Empire after the rise of Catholicism and the Pope chose the Emperor, as ordained by God, and one of the duties of the Holy Roman Emperor was to convert pagans, by force if necessary.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 12:13:39 PM

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Thousands were killed at most, and unlike Islam such atrocities are contrary to Christian teachings rather than the fulfillment of them

Try telling that to the Cathars.
Oh! You can't can you? The christians killed them all.

Interesting how you take an incident 700 years ago and compare it to something practiced today.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 1:15:16 PM

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Another thing is the sabbath. It is Saturday. The Jews have it right on this, who the hell is the Pope to countermand god ?

T^T

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 1:17:45 PM

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Another thing is the sabbath. It is Saturday. The Jews have it right on this, who the hell is the Pope to countermand god ?

T^T

The easy answer is: Christians (before the reformation, so what's known as the "Catholics") believed that Jesus, being born on a Sunday and having risen from the dead on a Sunday, sanctified that day.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 1:20:12 PM

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75 000 killed via the medium of guns and opioids per year. No one kills Americans like Americashire.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 3:22:20 PM

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Another thing is the sabbath. It is Saturday. The Jews have it right on this, who the hell is the Pope to countermand god ?

T^T

The easy answer is: Christians (before the reformation, so what's known as the "Catholics") believed that Jesus, being born on a Sunday and having risen from the dead on a Sunday, sanctified that day.

Michael

Actually, it was a decree by Constantine, to make all days of worship pretty much the same, and since the worship of Mithras Invictus (Roman Sun God) had Sunday as the holy day, it was determined that the Christians would as well (or continue to be an outlawed religion) so they bowed to political pressure (and the threat of being lion food etc) and cried with one unified voice, 'what the hell, why not?'

In fact, most of the bullshit that the early Catholic church is held responsible for was actually their appeasement of Constantine.

Now granted, they willingly jumped on the band wagon in the persecution of the Gnostic Christians who basically told the Emperor where he could stick his decrees on making all religions equal, and of course the inquisition is all Jesuit Catholics, and the Catholic church did finance some of the Spanish efforts in colonizing Latin and south America in return for the forced conversion of the natives which carried over into the Pacific as well....

Which, historically speaking, made the Catholic church one of the wealthiest world powers for a long time.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 4:49:30 PM

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Look to the Council of Nicea in 1054. That is where the Roman Church and the Greek Orthodox Church split and divided up Europe. And, where it was decided what would be in the official bible and what would be left out.

The Cathars where Christians that believed things the Roman Church didn't agree with so they were killed off as Heretics. If taking the Holy Land had worked out they would have probably done the same thing with the Coptics. BTW, Coptic churches date back to the first century A.D. but Roman Churches were all after 1000 A.D. Things that get you going Hmmmm.
http://www.cathar.info/

Halloween and All Saints Day is one of those things common in history of the Roman Catholics co-opting a traditional Pagan holiday.
The old Druid belief has the veil between our world and the next being thin on the last day of the year. The spirits of all who had died that year move on to the Summerland on that day. And, occasionally, spirits from the other side come to visit. The "Dumb Feast" of Irish tradition makes sense in that light with setting a place at dinner for the dead fondly remembered. The tradition of masks comes from going abroad masked so inimical spirits would not recognize you and follow you home to do a mischief. Although you could always try bribing hem off... Trick or Treat, the spirits must be appeased. The Hispanic Dia De Los Muertes is probably closer to the old Gaelic celebrations than the pop culture travesty as perpetrated in the U.S. these days.

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 10/31/2017 4:56:45 PM

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RE: I find it funny as hell - 11/1/2017 1:32:20 AM

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Oh, boy! This is gonna be fun!

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That some Churches and religions groups complain about Halloween as a celebration of a pagan holiday, as Satanic, or any number of reasons, yet they blindly celebrate Christmas on a day that was originally a high feast day for the Roman Sun god, with decorated trees that was a part a pagan celebration of the winter solstice, and seem to forget that just about every part of the Christmas holiday was stolen from pagan culture during the period when Catholic missionaries were converting pagans to Christianity, and basically assimilated pagan traditions to make it easier for these people to convert.

Really, lets celebrate the birth of Christ during a part of the year when there would be no shepherds minding their flocks in the fields because it was too damn cold at night for them to actually be out in the fields, on a day that the Romans celebrated the high feast of their sun god with blood sports with decorated trees that originally were to celebrate the winter equinox and usually came with blood sacrifices and call it proper.

Many Christians know what 25 DEC is. In fact, I recently came across at least one reference, when I was busy, busting someone else on some bullshit statement they'd made.

The early Christians definitely set out to co-opt pagan holidays and rituals in order to convert as many pagans as possible to Christianity. It was a smart political move.

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And God forbid anyone point out the facts to these idiots who are set on believing that the planet is less than 10000 years old, that even the Protestant churches who condemn the catholic church are still using the same worship format, even saying a creed during their service that praises the one church, while at the same time using sacraments established by the Catholic church that is so wrong (some claiming Satanic.)

And while we are at it, look at preachers that live in million dollar plus homes preaching in churches that are more like temples to the almighty dollar than to god.

Another fun one!

I don't know many Christians who believe the world is less than 10,000 years old, but I do know plenty, when asked: "How could your 'god' have created this planet in only six days?" will answer: "How long is a 'day' to God?" God lives in a big, giant, "now" since he has no beginning and no end.

Could one of God's "days" last for 2 Billion years? If God is eternal, time is a concept for which He has no use. Time is a human construct. It always has been.

Your mention of "creed" seems to point to the "Apostles Creed" (which was actually changed by the Vatican with their "Vatican II" fiasco)? If I'm right (and I know I am because of the references to protestant churches still using this creed and I KNOW the Lutherans use the original, un-edited version), you're missing something: "Catholic" is the Greek word for "universal". So, the reference isn't a nod to the Church of Rome, but it is a deference to the original language in which the creed was (probably) written.

You vacillate between silly, "oh-that's-just-crazy-uncle-jif" posts and trying to paint yourself as the only voice of reason.

Bless your heart and Merry CHRISTmas.

Michael

Well being that he seems along with quite a few others here, not belonging a member of any god cult, believing a book of hearsay of hearsay that amounts to an iron age fairy tale and he like me and those I mentioned, just may prefer to take our customs and advice in life from ourselves, friends and mentors.

That humans continue to frightfully fear death, must then have more to grab on too, so they create an afterlife so hey, if we do this and this according to my god, you won't really die.

Once creating gods, they themselves tell us what the god says want and also that if you don't go along, insults you as a sinner and you are going straight to hell, yet more self-sustaining mythology.

Besides, the Catholic church is now placing their bets on Mary who was the godlier between her and Jesus. I guess, or maybe could bring in some more money.

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