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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:39:02 AM

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This weekend! I will try to taste Papa John! Ha! Be in Malaysia!
Hope it's not awful.
I am just gonna order a simple Pepperoni Pizza, surely that can't go wrong.

OMG, I just googled to double check! The last time I was in KL, it was still open, somewhere earlier this year right at this place.

But according to tripadvisor, it's closed and it seems Papa John shut down all their outlets in Malaysia now!

Looks like Malaysians did not appreciate their Pizza. So, no chance to taste it now!

https://www.tripadvisor.com.sg/Restaurant_Review-g298570-d2440949-Reviews-Papa_John_s_Pizza_Berjaya_Times_Square-Kuala_Lumpur_Wilayah_Persekutuan.html

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:46:02 AM

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the only way it could be "awful" greta is if somehow the restaurant made a major mistake in making it, or youre an insufferable elitist pizza snob trying to sound important.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:50:00 AM

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And even then, there's the garlic butter sauce to drown away all the evils in the world.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:51:36 AM

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the only way it could be "awful" greta is if somehow the restaurant made a major mistake in making it, or youre an insufferable elitist pizza snob trying to sound important.

Big pizza snob, but I do love pizza hut pepperoni pizza, their traditional pan crust. So like alot of my friends who are into more artisan pizza would be like WTF!

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:53:22 AM

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that might be a variant on that everything is better with peanut butter.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:56:37 AM

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ive said this before and its worth repeating, being grateful for the food you are eating and having that as the basis from which you approach food, should cure a lot of the "wtf" attitude.

if its edible, its ALL good.

after that, i can understand how standards exist and can vary from one product to another so that one can say "this is excellent" or "this is not as good", but to call edible food "awful" is just a bad thing.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 10:24:31 AM

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ive said this before and its worth repeating, being grateful for the food you are eating and having that as the basis from which you approach food, should cure a lot of the "wtf" attitude.

if its edible, its ALL good.

after that, i can understand how standards exist and can vary from one product to another so that one can say "this is excellent" or "this is not as good", but to call edible food "awful" is just a bad thing.

How cute: an American of European descent is telling an Asian not to be picky about her food.
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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 10:52:00 AM

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I know! The only thing missing from that lecture was a rant about poor starving children in Africa...and Bounty would be a dead ringer for my dead grandma 😊

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 2:37:40 PM

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Big pizza snob, but I do love pizza hut pepperoni pizza, their traditional pan crust.

If you love anything made by Pizza Hut, you're about as far from a pizza snob as you can possibly be. They're only marginally better than Papa John's.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 5:41:23 PM

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If you love anything made by Pizza Hut, you're about as far from a pizza snob as you can possibly be. They're only marginally better than Papa John's.

Pizza hut is seriously good here though. They use the best pepperoni I ever tasted that beat any gourmet fancy pizza restaurant. The tomato sauce is excellent, thick and rich and not watery and good balance of sweetness and acidity. And the crust is crispy on the outside and light and airy on the inside. It's like eating cadbury bubbles chocolate, where it just melts away in your mouth on the inside, light and fluffy. But for pizza crust, it got the excellent crunch on the outside. Pizza hut is amazing!

Alot of other pizza chains when they got thicker crusts, it often is too heavy and too dense and too rich or too chewy. And they use nasty tomato sauce which is either too tart or too sweet. Dominos is one big culprit for it being too tart and watery.

Maybe we make pizza hut really good here.

I mean for example, KFC is far better here than in the US or in the UK, or in China, or in Australia, which makes them bad countries for KFC even though KFC originate from Kentucky I assume. Maybe because I had KFC in California so maybe Kentucky ones taste better, I don't know.

KFC is also very good in South Africa and Malaysia. In terms of complexity of flavour of the batter and all the herbs used, you could taste it. The best one is in South Africa, their batter is just crazy flavourful. But Malaysia has the most tender melt in the mouth chicken for KFC. I don't know why.

I mean, Taco Bell was amazing in the US for me, but it was horrible here. That's why Taco Bell close down here eventually.

But KFC and Pizza Hut is booming here because it's really good. Chinese people loves fried chicken especially and we got our huge range of local batters for fried chicken too in competition for the Fried Chicken Market, so we are obsess about amazing different batters for fried chicken. KFC got one of those best batters out there. Way better than Texas Chicken or Popeyes which is the other two competitors here. And pizza hut managed to figure out how to home deliver their pizza as good as dining in. They maintain the crispy, heat and fluffiness even when arrive in our homes! Dominos always disintegrate by the time it reaches my home. The only way to enjoy dominos is be at their outlet and eat it fresh out of oven.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 6:01:38 PM

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ive said this before and its worth repeating, being grateful for the food you are eating and having that as the basis from which you approach food, should cure a lot of the "wtf" attitude.

if its edible, its ALL good.

after that, i can understand how standards exist and can vary from one product to another so that one can say "this is excellent" or "this is not as good", but to call edible food "awful" is just a bad thing.

In my country, we live to eat, and not eat to live :)

Although I was told recently by an European that our produce are all horrible and tasteless. Which is true. We never get sweet fruits or sweet tomatoes as all our produce are imported unriped, so they are often flavourless.

As we are too small to have our own farms locally.

So because of the all the unripe fruits and vegetable we were used to eating. An European lives here and think we get the worst fresh produce. Hehe.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 7:09:23 PM

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The NFL's issues have nothing to do with this.

Short interest on Papa John's stock has been hitting multiyear highs for months, dating back to well before the NFL season.

The company saw shares drop 8.5% in a single day this week on weaker sales, which it blamed on NFL national-anthem protests turning football fans off. (the weaker sales were a steady decline rather than any single factor)

One analyst says the rise of delivery apps that make local pizza joints competitive is a better explanation for Papa John's struggles.

From Business insider.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 8:08:44 PM

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@Greta75
You got me thinking of the Pizza Hut in Pattya Beach, Thailand.
They had a sign almost completely covering a wall with the same message in a ton of languages, three types of pictographs, Cyrillic alphabet, and four version of the squiggly script used with Thai and many languages of the middle east. The repeated message?

"It is socially acceptable to eat Pizza with the hands."

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/27/2017 11:55:36 PM

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"It is socially acceptable to eat Pizza with the hands."

hehe, I am the type of who put my pizza on a plate at home and eat it with a fork and a knife :).

But same with chicken wings and peeling a prawn. I would take out the meat with a fork and knife first.

It's more about multi-tasking, like I often eat and work at the same time and don't wanna dirty my fingers.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/28/2017 6:01:00 AM

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yeah because someone from outside the company knows the answer to the question of what is causing the sales to drop better than the people who actually run the company. good thinking!

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/28/2017 7:41:02 AM

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if they had the cause it would have been fixed. turns out that their pizza is widely known enough that everybody knows it is disgustingly awful.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/28/2017 11:21:11 AM

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yeah because someone from outside the company knows the answer to the question of what is causing the sales to drop better than the people who actually run the company. good thinking!

I don't think pizza business is difficult in Malaysia, because Pizza hut and Vivo Pizza are two companies always packed in their dine in and doing well. I am not sure how big is Vivo Pizza in the US, but they originated from Chicago apparently. The pizza is pretty good and this chain does not exist in Singapore either, but it is booming in Malaysia.

The fact that PapaJohn have shut down all over Malaysia...., they are struggling, even internationally that has nothing to do with FootBall. Tells me that, they just aren't doing a good job as a company in marketing and maintaining standards of their pizza. And their CEO is pushing blame at something irrelevant to save his own ass.

I was often at the Mall that PapaJohn was in and even on peak Dinner hours, everywhere else is packed, but PapaJohn would be quite empty.

That's why I never tried it, as I think we tend to assume, if the locals are not packing the place, maybe it's no good.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/29/2017 12:38:50 AM

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"If you love anything made by Pizza Hut, you're about as far from a pizza snob as you can possibly be. They're only marginally better than Papa John's. "

Actually it didn't used to be this way. Years ago Pizza Hut was really good. They all seem to have adopted the Little Ceaar's recipe.

T^T

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/29/2017 4:38:16 AM

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i trust when papa johns is speaking to the American public about losing revenue he is not referencing international business.

that said, we have a choice of believing the guy knows what he's talking about, or that he's lying. the former is by far the better answer.

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RE: Papa John's Loses Dough - 11/29/2017 5:18:06 AM

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Why should we believe his excuses when there is so much evidence pointing to other factors, while no competition has seen such losses.

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