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Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 11:35:25 AM   
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Proof Of a Multi-tiered Justice System
By Michael The Libertarian


More and more, it seems like our justice system is multi-tiered.

General Patreus: Convicted. Shrillary: Exonerated before investigation.

Bowe Bergdahl, pleads guilty to crimes that could carry a sentence of LIFE: No prison time.
It boggles the mind.

There was a time when desertion during a war was a death sentence. I can understand some taking a moral stand against that and I have said, frequently, that not everyone is cut out to serve. I concede those points.

This guy volunteered. He rose to the rank of E-5 (doesn't happen overnight). He didn't claim Conscientious Objector status. He walked away from his post (by his own admission. No “wiggle room” ie; “The jury got it wrong”).

Nope. This guy enjoyed some largess and I believe it had something to do with keeping egg off a former president's face.

Remember: the former Failure-In-Chief declared this man a hero. I guess that means his uniform was pressed, when he deserted?

Very shortly after good ol' Barry called this deserter a “hero”, stories began coming to light about the people who were killed or injured, trying to find the person they believed to be a brother in arms. Heroic? Not by my definition.

Anyway, along with the stories about his fallen rescuers came investigation into the five high-level Jihadis for whom the deserter was traded. According to what I remember, allegedly four of the five went back to the fight, pretty quickly.

So, we traded a deserter for five dedicated command-level enemy combatants. Somehow, that doesn't add up.

I already hear the moaning and sighs of the damned coming from ardent supporters of Obama: “He just said he deserted to get a plea deal!” That could be entirely true, but doesn't that just bolster my contention that this was “cleaned up” as neatly as possible so the former president with the most “scandal-free administration in history” wouldn't be embarrassed, having to refuse an invitation from the deserter's family to come to the execution?

That to the side (and that's a lot for this journalist to over-look), doesn't this point up the fact that issues where law should prevail get politicized and therefore prevent true justice from being done? It's illegal for the butcher to put his thumb on the scale because we have no way of knowing how much influence that thumb has on our outcome. Shouldn't our justice system have that same standard imposed on it?

There used to be kind of an unwritten rule that elected officials wouldn't comment publicly on ongoing investigations or prosecutions. Again, I hear it, already: “But … but … but … Donald Trump said: ...” Yes, he did, when he was candidate trump. He's President Trump, now (I know that still eats at some of you).

Anyway, it would be nice if we had the appearance of neutrality, anyway in this country. We don't. People deemed to be “special” or “examples” are frequently given a pass (or do I have to mention Weinstain, again?). They're exonerated and absolved by dint of having “their heart in the right place” in regards to their political views.

The deserter should be getting a last meal, a cigarette, and a blindfold, as far as I'm concerned.


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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 11:51:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		PFC Bergdahl got rank for time in grade as a POW. He rose to it by time (and lack of bad personnel reports). SGTs do not walk guard duty.

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 11:54:45 AM   
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Every time someone on the left is exonerated, the justice system is corrupt.

The only way to have an unbiased justice system is to make sure everyone on the right is exonerated and everyone on the left is locked up.
Also, Trump should be allowed to do whatever he want, and never be criticized or challenged or exposed in any way.

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 11:56:08 AM   
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PFC Bergdahl got rank for time in grade as a POW. He rose to it by time (and lack of bad personnel reports). SGTs do not walk guard duty.


The deserter is a cowardly piece of scum.

"post" would be where the scumbag was stationed; not guard duty.



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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 11:57:18 AM   
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Trump hates not being able to interfere with the DOJ.
Maybe he ran for the wrong job.

As for bowe...I can see both sides, the right and the wrong, deserting your post is more than disgraceful, and should be punished, its part of the code, its part of military law, and its not good for morale, safety, trust and so on. I even understand the desire for him to lose his life because of it.

ON the other hand, I can understand why even the strongest person can crack, Im not excusing him in anyway, one bad decision ruins lives and has a ripple effect that hurts so many people.
I can understand why people are angry with it. And why he has supporters. I dont know enough facts about what happened, to feel strongly enough either way.

The political bullshit is just that.
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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 12:06:51 PM   
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PFC Bergdahl got rank for time in grade as a POW. He rose to it by time (and lack of bad personnel reports). SGTs do not walk guard duty.


The deserter is a cowardly piece of scum.

"post" would be where the scumbag was stationed; not guard duty.



You almost got it, but he walked away from his post (no need to set it off in quotes) on guard duty.

Try and catch up.

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 12:41:24 PM   
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Who'd have thunk it? We've got the same poster, arguing out of both sides of their mouth, within ... three? four? posts.

First we get:
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ORIGINAL: SeekingMnD
PFC Bergdahl got rank for time in grade as a POW. He rose to it by time (and lack of bad personnel reports). SGTs do not walk guard duty.

(By the way: Sergeants DO "stand a post". You catch up)

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ORIGINAL: SeekingMnD

You almost got it, but he walked away from his post (no need to set it off in quotes) on guard duty.

Try and catch up.



I keep forgetting people know what I'm thinking, when I type MY thoughts. How fucking arrogant are you?



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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 1:21:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having stood bailiff duty for courts martial; I'll comment a bit on the procedure.

A> The DoJ has nothing to do with Bergdahl's case. Desertion and other military crimes are prosecuted under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).

B> Desertion only carries a death penalty when done in face of the enemy in time of war. Since the U.S. has not declared war on anyone since WWII; it might be a questionable action to ask for the death penalty. I now it is quibbling but that is what lawyers, even JAG Lawyers, get paid to do.

C> A "Court Martial" is convened by higher authority and consists of three judges who are commissioned officers. It isn't mandatory but it is custom for the members of the court to be in a different chain of command from the accused. (no direct experience of the defendant as a subordinate) The officers hear evidence and make a judgement as to whether a crime was committed per the UCMJ, the culpability of the defendant in the crime, and considerations for the needs of the service. The court then sends findings to the convening authority. Mitigating information may also be sent to the convening authority who is reviewing the court findings. (i.e. hardship plea on a charge of desertion - aka making excuses) The convening authority then either concurs or dissents on the findings of the court and sends it back to the court. (this is the appeal portion). The court then presents sentence to the accused. In actual practice, you get a hearing then it is reviewed for one or two working days while your lawyer enteres pleas to convening authority. Then you go back to the judges for findings.

With what happened with Berghdahl; one of the factors was his behavior was such the military didn't want to waste any more time and effort on him. Busted to E-1, forfeiture of pay and allowances, band conduct discharge, and (what will rankle to some) bad conduct discharge.

Why not put him under the jail in Leavenworth? Easy answer, "for the good of the service. " Berghdahl wasn't worth spending any more time, money, or personnel on as he had proven to be a worthless waste of skin so they tossed him and dusted off the hands.

The cited article didn't mention the exact type of discharge. If it was a "Bad Conduct Discharge" that is certainly considered a felony conviction for civilian purposes with some extra military caveats. V.A. treatment for any injuries while a prisoner; forfeited. Any contributions to military matching funds for education, lost. Any back pay or accrued leave; lost. Right to keep and bear arms, lost. Right to vote, lost in many jurisdictions. Ability to make contracts with the federal government, lost. Ability to get a job with the federal government; prohibited. Ability to get a security clearance to work in a government facility, lost. In some areas he won't even be able to get a commercial driver's license. Get a license to fly an aircraft, forget it.

BTW, you can't go to Canada either. Can't even take some of the over the border shortcuts where you are only in Canada for a few minutes.


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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 1:28:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		By the way: Sergeants DO "stand a post". You catch up.

Oh dear, you poor ignorant slut. I have never said that any rank does not stand a post. I said Sergeants do not
walk guard duty. Sergeants do not stand guard duty in combat, sure, ceremonial guards of course, tomb of the unknown soldier, embassies, presidents and gravy like that. The guys with guns that shoot in the real world are at most (and rarely) SP4 or corporal. Us Sergeants are busy being Sgt of the Guards, reporting to Duty Sergeants and we march em over to relieve the old guard, find out whats up and march them old guards back to beddie bye, and write a bunch of stupid shit, thats what we do.

I am not speaking out of both sides of my mouth you are wriggling like a worm trying to swallow your tongue and stupidity.

you in your factless hallucinations said this:

He rose to the rank of E-5 (doesn't happen overnight).


No it didnt, he was a PFC when he walked away from his guard post, and having no bad performance reviews while he was in captivity (and how could he ?), he attained time in grade and was; along with his peers, promoted to SGT. Note that he is still SGT Bowe Bergdahl and will be until such a time as he is tried and found guilty, and stripped of his rank, down to private E nothing, incarcerated for some period of time in the United States Disciplinary Barracks at Ft Leavenworth, the actual 'military prison' not the United States Penitentiary Leavenworth, and then given a kick (dishonorable discharge)

Your factlessness and distractions and derailments and ignorance of fact and military, and plain howling disingenuous stupidity notwithstanding, you are wrong on all counts and spewing bullshit from every orifice and in every direction.


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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 2:17:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a BTW... an E-5 might well stand a guard post if needed. It depends on the makeup of the unit and the number of posts needed to be covered. Thinking of some real world situations and not a "barracks watch" on a duty day where you have to stay on base.

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 2:24:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		very very rarely, perhaps in situations where most of the troop is killed. But yes, it has happened.

https://www.radford.edu/content/dam/colleges/chbs/rotc/Forms/rm/Gaurd%20Duty%20FM%2022-6.pdf

Usually Sergeants have actual things to do already. On base or in warzones. The rare instances are not the norm. Everybody has jobs.

Oh, and one other actual guard situation that is normal for a sergeant is detailing prisoners.

22. 5-10

Nevertheless Bergdahl was a PFC and walked away from his guard post.


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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 4:01:50 PM   
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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 5:28:56 PM   
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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 5:32:47 PM   
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In what court was he tried? Civilian or military?

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The above is my post... how it assigned a different name i have no idea.

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 5:38:26 PM   
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In what court was he tried? Civilian or military?

Butch


The above is my post... how it assigned a different name i have no idea.


Happened to me recently, just randomly logged me in on someone else's profile out of the blue

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 5:53:28 PM   
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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/3/2017 6:03:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		This was a court-martial at Fort Bragg not a so called liberal judge. How is his sentence somehow Multi-tiered?

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/4/2017 8:42:12 AM   
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This was a court-martial at Fort Bragg not a so called liberal judge. How is his sentence somehow Multi-tiered?

Butch


Did I type the words "liberal judge" in there? Anywhere?

Try reading the part about the former commander-in-chief of the military calling him a "hero" and sending the message he wanted sent (It's obvious you didn't read all of it, if you missed that point).




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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/4/2017 8:53:11 AM   
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This was a court-martial at Fort Bragg not a so called liberal judge. How is his sentence somehow Multi-tiered?

Butch


Did I type the words "liberal judge" in there? Anywhere?

Try reading the part about the former commander-in-chief of the military calling him a "hero" and sending the message he wanted sent (It's obvious you didn't read all of it, if you missed that point).






How does it make any difference what Obama said... he has and had nothing to do with the prosecution? How does that make Multi-tiered justice? He was tried by his military peers with all the information you and I are not privy to. I would say on the whole the Military leans to the conservative side of politics yet still came down with its verdict. If this is not a liberal versus conservative justice then I wish you would explain better what tiers you are talking about.

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RE: Proof Of a "Multi-Tiered" Justice System - 11/4/2017 12:30:22 PM   
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How does it make any difference what Obama said... he has and had nothing to do with the prosecution? How does that make Multi-tiered justice? He was tried by his military peers with all the information you and I are not privy to. I would say on the whole the Military leans to the conservative side of politics yet still came down with its verdict. If this is not a liberal versus conservative justice then I wish you would explain better what tiers you are talking about.

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