RE: War On Women Alive And Well (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message


Lucylastic -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:09:12 PM)

Oh look heres an apology
"I want to apologize to Times readers — and to Sarah Huckabee Sanders — for a description that was insensitive and failed to meet the standards of our newspaper," Horsey's statement reads.

"It also failed to meet the expectations I have for myself. It surely won't be my last mistake, but this particular error will be scrupulously avoided in my future commentaries. I've removed the offending description."


something right wingers never do, especially sanders, and trump, and you.




BoscoX -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:13:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

as you have been attacking female posters and liberal women for ten years or more, for their looks, age, size, weight, orientation, skin colour and ass size.
I will agree on one thing
you have no principles.
thats why its so ironic you should post a fucker carlson trash piece.


Name the last time I claimed the mantle of feminist [:D]

It's your hypocrisy, stupid.




Lucylastic -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:17:51 PM)

what does feminism have to do with it?
nothing
ignorance and misogyny has everything to do with your claims
as usual




BoscoX -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:28:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what does feminism have to do with it?
nothing
ignorance and misogyny has everything to do with your claims
as usual



Love how you howl about misogyny while in practically the same breath cackle about a woman being attacked for her weight etc. [:D]

This place is endlessly entertaining




Lucylastic -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:32:15 PM)

I didnt cackle, thats your imagination. I understand your brain cells get lonely and shout for intelligent thought( the sound you hear is only in your head apparently)
Shes a liar, she deserves no credibility, her looks have fuck all to do with her lying.
isnt it about this time in our duelling, you call me a hag ?
its a shame you are merely an ignorant irritation and not entertaining.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:38:56 PM)

Yeah, so some men are sexist shits, what's your point?




Danemora -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 7:40:04 PM)

~FRing it~

Such delicious irony!

I can remember attacks on HRC's weight and looks. Michelle Obama was also attacked repeatedly for her appearance as well. Yet Sarah Huckabee Sanders gets similar treatment and its the most horrible cruelty on the planet?

Not sure where you've been, Bosco...but it sure as hell couldnt be planet Earth because this behavior is common from both sides for a long ass time.




JVoV -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/4/2017 8:44:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh look heres an apology
"I want to apologize to Times readers — and to Sarah Huckabee Sanders — for a description that was insensitive and failed to meet the standards of our newspaper," Horsey's statement reads.

"It also failed to meet the expectations I have for myself. It surely won't be my last mistake, but this particular error will be scrupulously avoided in my future commentaries. I've removed the offending description."


something right wingers never do, especially sanders, and trump, and you.


Good for him. Honestly, it was too close to Trump's own tweets about Rosie O'Donnell.




bounty44 -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 12:52:07 AM)

are you kidding me? many hundreds into the thousands of teams have been eliminated and many tens of thousands into the hundreds of thousands of college athletes have lost opportunities (even where teams haven't been eliminated) because of preferential rigid interpretations of the compliance rules for title ix. there's even been some similar harm to men at the Olympic level of competition.

in terms of a crony "good ol' boy" network, its not an "either or proposition. im not suggesting what you just proposed as a viable alternative. being against one bad method for employee picking doesn't equate to returning to the former bad method for employee picking.

sure---comfortable talking with people---and then a soft spoken, gentle woman, or a comedic man.





BoscoX -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 4:46:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh look heres an apology
"I want to apologize to Times readers — and to Sarah Huckabee Sanders — for a description that was insensitive and failed to meet the standards of our newspaper," Horsey's statement reads.

"It also failed to meet the expectations I have for myself. It surely won't be my last mistake, but this particular error will be scrupulously avoided in my future commentaries. I've removed the offending description."


something right wingers never do, especially sanders, and trump, and you.


Good for him. Honestly, it was too close to Trump's own tweets about Rosie O'Donnell.


Howler Lucy goes from defending the attack to pretending that she appreciates an apology over them

Trained apes are better actors than she is




JVoV -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 6:45:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

are you kidding me? many hundreds into the thousands of teams have been eliminated and many tens of thousands into the hundreds of thousands of college athletes have lost opportunities (even where teams haven't been eliminated) because of preferential rigid interpretations of the compliance rules for title ix. there's even been some similar harm to men at the Olympic level of competition.

in terms of a crony "good ol' boy" network, its not an "either or proposition. im not suggesting what you just proposed as a viable alternative. being against one bad method for employee picking doesn't equate to returning to the former bad method for employee picking.

sure---comfortable talking with people---and then a soft spoken, gentle woman, or a comedic man.



I'd need to read up on the thousands of teams being cut before I comment further on that. Links would be appreciated. Same for Olympics. Though some sports lose favor through the years, with fans and athletes.




Nnanji -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 6:59:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

When you post so much it takes me an extra second to scroll down to the hide button.


And then you quote him so we all feel your pain? :P

In this instance it was the point, but, sorry, I feel your pain man.




Nnanji -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 7:09:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

are you kidding me? many hundreds into the thousands of teams have been eliminated and many tens of thousands into the hundreds of thousands of college athletes have lost opportunities (even where teams haven't been eliminated) because of preferential rigid interpretations of the compliance rules for title ix. there's even been some similar harm to men at the Olympic level of competition.

in terms of a crony "good ol' boy" network, its not an "either or proposition. im not suggesting what you just proposed as a viable alternative. being against one bad method for employee picking doesn't equate to returning to the former bad method for employee picking.

sure---comfortable talking with people---and then a soft spoken, gentle woman, or a comedic man.



I'd need to read up on the thousands of teams being cut before I comment further on that. Links would be appreciated. Same for Olympics. Though some sorts lose favor through the years, with fans and athletes.

Pretty much all sports at the college level are supported by the revenue made from the men's football and basketball teams. With Title IX, for every sports scholarship that goes to a male a scholarship must be given to a female. Those scholarships used to go to Track, Swimming and Baseball for the most part. Well, and woman's volleyball was big. Now those scholarships go to women in order to keep the football and basketball programs. The American male Olympic teams have been decimated trough lack of scholarships to track teams. At the same time, I've read articles, which I am not going to look up as Google is your friend, where colleges have to make up games to give women scholarships. Field Hockey is one of the big ones.

Was it fair the way it was just giving scholarships to the men athletes that people wanted to watch? Probably not. Is it fair now where colleges have to make up sports and recruit women to play them while nobody cares, probably not. Any time the government goes in and try's to make things fair you can be assured the outcome will suck. But, what Bounty is saying is true.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-towson-title-ix-20130406-story.html

But keep in mind, this is not tax payer money. This is money generated by men's football and basketball teams that used to be spread around as the school say fit. Now in order to keep the revenue generating football and basketball teams the money has to be spread according to Title IX.




bounty44 -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 7:47:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

are you kidding me? many hundreds into the thousands of teams have been eliminated and many tens of thousands into the hundreds of thousands of college athletes have lost opportunities (even where teams haven't been eliminated) because of preferential rigid interpretations of the compliance rules for title ix. there's even been some similar harm to men at the Olympic level of competition.

in terms of a crony "good ol' boy" network, its not an "either or proposition. im not suggesting what you just proposed as a viable alternative. being against one bad method for employee picking doesn't equate to returning to the former bad method for employee picking.

sure---comfortable talking with people---and then a soft spoken, gentle woman, or a comedic man.



I'd need to read up on the thousands of teams being cut before I comment further on that. Links would be appreciated. Same for Olympics. Though some sports lose favor through the years, with fans and athletes.


sure---give me a little bit of time to hunt 'em up. but I lived and taught this stuff, so im pretty good with saying what is.

meanwhile, roughly, its ~150-200 teams each for wrestling, track and field, golf, swimming, volleyball, and cross-country and to a little lesser extent, gymnastics and baseball.

even when teams are not cut, at schools with large football programs, all non-revenue sports typically have roster limits. so while the women's track and field program can have as many girls on the team as want to be on it, the men's roster will be limited to 30.

the Olympic movement is indeed influenced by trends in athletics but they also have a limited amount of time and space to accommodate a games. one small example in wrestling, the amount of weight classes was shrunk to accommodate women's wrestling. now, that's not a title ix thing per se, but the principle is the same. however, since most Olympic sports develop athletes at the college level, opportunities are lost and quality deteriorates when college programs are dropped.

whats helpful to know going in is that the office of civil rights uses a three pronged test to determine whether or not college athletic programs are in compliance with title ix or not.

the first two, though legitimate, are somewhat vague, and so schools, and the office itself heavily rely on the third one, which deals with proportionality---which is interpreted very roughly and simply, that the number of female athletes and the number of male athletes must be relatively equal.




bounty44 -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 8:01:17 AM)

am going to be purposely vague for discretion sake but detailed enough to give the picture.

I was at a D1 college working with a male team that had existed for many many years. they were competing in a conference where every other team had scholarships, but they had none. they were the only men's team on campus actually where that was the case.

there was a women's club team that got elevated to varsity status during that time and were awarded ~8-10 scholarships, however, there was not enough of a high school base to support that and so women were being recruited who had no experience with the sport. some might say, that's the very definition of creating opportunities for women---and to an extent it is, but a fair amount of those women (not just in this case in particular, but in general) end up quitting the sport (or any sport) despite having a scholarship for it, because their desire to compete is just not as deep as it is in men. that same thing was going on all over the country.




JVoV -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 9:16:31 AM)

And how many of the male scholarships went to football instead?

Because that seems to be the other side of the argument, that money for men's sports is going to the arms races football and basketball instead of being doled out to other sports.




bounty44 -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 2:08:55 PM)

there is indeed an arms race in football, and without a doubt, that's part of the problem. it throws a large monkey wrench into the equation and there's no "football" equivalent on the female side of things and that makes it worse. people for years have tried to get football removed from the "proportionality" accounting, but the pro-title ix people will not stand for it.

however, having a football team is of absolutely no solace to the athletes whose teams have been eliminated. as has been pointed out, some football programs pay for all or the bulk of the athletic depart budget so killing the goose that lays the golden egg is not an option. unfortunately that same mentality trickles down to all the levels of play and football budgets are much more costly than any other sport.

some of the pushback on the male side of the fight relies on the natural animosity men sometimes feel towards women. that is, the men are less likely to look at their football brothers as the problem, and more at the women who want equality---ironically when they (the women) continue to show they don't need it.

here's some information---a little dated, but nevertheless in the ballpark of things:

quote:

At the same time, many contend that the current interpretation of Title IX by the OCR has resulted in the dismantling of men's programs, despite strong participation in those sports.[36] For example, though interest in the sport of wrestling has consistently increased at the high school level since 1990,[37] scores of colleges have dropped their wrestling programs during that same period.[38][39] The OCR's three-prong test for compliance with Title IX often is cited as the reason for these cuts.[39][40] Wrestling historically was the most frequently dropped sport,[40] but other men's sports later overtook the lead, such that according to the NCAA, the most-dropped men's sports between 1987 and 2002 were as follows: Cross country (183), indoor track (180), golf (178), tennis (171), rowing (132), outdoor track (126), swimming (125) and wrestling (121).[38]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

and a nice piece that does a good job of hitting the issue from multiple levels:

quote:

...In passing Title IX, Congress had two objectives:

1.To avoid the use of federal resources to support discriminatory practices.

2.To provide individual citizens with effective protection against those practices.

In 1975 the final regulation of Title IX was signed into law and included provisions prohibiting sex discrimination in athletics. The regulations pertaining to athletics require that a recipient which sponsors interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics shall provide “equal athletic opportunity” for members of both sexes.

The Losses to Men’s Athletics

More than 2,200 men’s athletic teams have been eliminated since 1981 to comply with the proportionality prong of the 1979 Title IX Policy Interpretation (a quota system). Thousands of male athletes have been prohibited from participating in collegiate sports and as result, men’s athletic scholarships and coaching positions have evaporated. The law, which was designed to end discrimination against women, is now discriminating against men. For example:

◾Boston University dropped its football program due to Title IX pressures after 91 years.

◾University of San Francisco cut football after 64 years.

◾Colgate University no longer continues men’s baseball after 107 years.

◾Cornell University’s men’s fencing team was discontinued after 98 years.

◾Princeton University ended its wrestling program for fear of litigation due to an inability to satisfy “proportionality”.

◾UCLA dropped its swimming and diving teams in 1994 that had produced 16 Olympic Gold Medalists, 41 individual national titles, and a team title in 1982.

◾UCLA abandoned its men’s gymnastics team 10 years after it had produced half of the United States team that won the gold medal in the 1984 Olympics.

◾Since 1982, over 64 schools have discontinued swimming and diving programs.

◾355 men’s college wrestling teams (22,000 roster positions) have been eliminated over the past decade.

◾James Madison University dropped men’s archery, indoor track, outdoor track, cross country, gymnastics, swimming and wrestling in 2006.

◾Rutgers University eliminated men’s lightweight crew, heavyweight crew, swimming, tennis, diving, and fencing in 2007.

Men’s Olympic sports in colleges (such as, gymnastics, baseball, swimming, track and field, water polo, volleyball, soccer, tennis and wrestling) are disappearing under pressure to achieve “gender equity” under Title IX. Consequently, the pool of U.S. Olympic talent has diminished due to the tremendous loss of men’s Olympic sports in colleges. These cuts inevitably affect high school participation in that sport as well.

For example, in 1969 over 40,000 high school boys participated in gymnastics in the U.S. with over 230 NCAA schools sponsoring men’s gymnastics. Since that time, the sport has lost 92% of its varsity programs (2,544 college roster positions eliminated) and 75% of its participating boys. Only 18 schools sponsoring men’s gymnastics remain today (216 roster positions) and only two schools exist west of the Rockies – Stanford and UC Berkeley.

In the 2000 Summer Olympics, the U.S. sent 338 men and 264 women to compete. In 2004, nearly equal numbers of men and women – an estimated 282 men and 263 women – represented the United States in 2004. Consider a Washington Post Olympic preview entitled “Female Athletes Continue to Gain Ground” written in April 2004. The article celebrated the equality in these numbers as evidence of progress for women, but the number of women competing was essentially unchanged. The so-called victory for women was the elimination of more than 50 male athletes from the U.S. roster...


https://momss.wordpress.com/title-ix/




JVoV -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 4:18:57 PM)

I read an ESPN article from 2009, covering pretty much all of that.

But Title 9 doesn't apply to the Olympics at all, since 1) it's not an educational program, and 2) it's not federally funded. In fact, athletes had GoFundMe pages up, so that they could even get to Rio last year.




Lucylastic -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/5/2017 5:11:51 PM)

FR, altho mostly to bounty.
So the basic premise is women are stopping men from competing? By taking up funding and gender physicality issues?
If not please clarify




bounty44 -> RE: War On Women Alive And Well (11/6/2017 4:01:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I read an ESPN article from 2009, covering pretty much all of that.

But Title 9 doesn't apply to the Olympics at all, since 1) it's not an educational program, and 2) it's not federally funded. In fact, athletes had GoFundMe pages up, so that they could even get to Rio last year.


I didn't suggest the Olympics are a title ix thing, I merely pointed out that title ix affects the Olympics because college athletics are the primary preparation and feeders for them, and that the same sort of thinking that harms men (cutting mens sports) goes on there.




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.078125