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SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:05:37 AM)
heather, thanks for the reply. I am interested in hearing how different people view the definition of Objectification, and am glad you responded to the thread. - Susan [:)]

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:09:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Susan, In my dynamic it is pretty literal. I am his object, to use as he wishes. Be it footstool or table, a whipping post, or be it nothing more than a masturbation toy for him - a cum repository, so to speak. A hole to use. The "person" is removed from the equation and I become a universal tool which can transform to other items when/where/how he wishes. He might dress me up as he wishes - into a different type of person or even a different species. He might use me for toilet service. He might use me as a pillow. He might use me as a demo for someone else. What it boils down to for me is that I am whatever object or thing he wants me to be at any given time. I am a piece of owned property which has universal uses. Hence, an object. For some, objectification brings about feelings of humiliation. For others, it makes them feel peaceful and useful. For me, it can have either, or both effects, depending on what object I am being used as. Ditto for me. Objectification is being treated as an object. Humiliation is often included within objectification, but not necessarily so. Animalization is closely related to objectification, but not necessarily the same. http://www.collarchat.com/m_486662/mpage_1/key_objectification/tm.htm#486991 Are there many who like to be used? http://www.collarchat.com/m_194217/mpage_1/key_objectification%252Cessay/tm.htm#194344 Erotic Humiliation and Objectification http://www.collarchat.com/m_211238/mpage_1/key_objectification%252Cessay/tm.htm#211389 Question of Objectification

SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:11:32 AM)
LA, thanks so much for the reply, and the thread references - it's appreciated. - Susan [:)]

popeye1250 -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:13:01 AM)
Yes, I'd have to agree with Nephandi too on that. Sometimes when I have a sub tied down and gagged I do a lot of sexual teasing driving her crazy because seeing (her) get pleasure and being helplessly bound gives (Me) pleasure.I really like to see her squirm. But, at other times I see her as a total slave, there for my pleasure alone. I like to be very rough with her, pulling her hair, pinching her nipples very hard and not caring what she feels but being totally selfish to what (I) want to do to her, not really caring what she feels, needs, or wants. I just want to (TAKE) her! NOTHING is going to stop me! Fuck her HARD, like a piece of raw meat! Not caring if I'm being too rough with her. Just wanting to pump my cum deep inside of her! So that's objectification too. It really doesn't "require" a mask or costume or acting like a piece of furniture.

SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:15:25 AM)
Good point, popeye.[:)][:o][:D] - Susan

popeye1250 -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:34:27 AM)
LOL, got a little carried away there! (Dom space) Also, I think that just placing a collar and leash on a sub could be a way of objectification. Like having a leash on her and leading her around the house or having her sit on the floor at my feet watching a movie with her wrists bound behind her. So, I'm starting to see a lot of ways to objectify someone! Susan, Kudos on another great thread! I like the way your brain works! Be back later, I have to go "sit still" (pose) for a neighbor who's a great artist. She's had her work displayed in museums in Manhatten. She wants to draw me as "a Pirate."

SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:37:29 AM)
popeye: I was teasing you! I understood what you meant (and think you are right). What you described is a form of Objectification, at least a little (to me) because it does cease to see the other person's POV, or really as a person with feelings, even if one is still engaging with them as a human, because the Dominant is, during that time, focussed solely on their own pleasure and nothing else. - Susan

CaveatViewAskew -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 11:59:28 AM)
Dayummmmmmmmm, I shouldn't have read this message, Popeye. Now I'm going to have to awaken My girl with a quart sized bottle of lube in-hand. heheheheee Gentry

catize -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 12:32:13 PM)
There are various means of objectification. Most dominants use it while still accepting the fact that the submissive is a human. The submissive's thoughts and feelings may be ignored at that moment, but this is tempered with the knowledge that the submissive enjoys being used in such a way. There are extremes of objectification where the submissive/slave is not considered a human at all, where the dominant refers to him or her as an 'it', and there is no consideration for emotions or thoughts.

SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 12:39:50 PM)
Thank you for the enlightening reply, catize - it is appreciated. - Susan

popeye1250 -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 1:21:07 PM)
Back, (not too bad, a couple of sketches and photos.) Yes I think the sub should enjoy objectification too like in Pony play or in playing "Kitty." But, sometimes it's nice for the Dom to take (total) control like above whether the sub "wants" to or not. Sometimes I get so aroused by a sub that all I want to do is use her like a piece of fuck meat. I've never had any complaints about it and it makes a nice surprise because they or I, for that matter never know when I'm going to be in that mood.! And to get back to Bondage Hoods I like that idea too! When a sub's head is completely covered in a Bondage Hood it (does) take awy some of their personal "identity."

popeye1250 -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 1:27:55 PM)
Askew, LMAO! Don't hold back! REALLY let her have it!!!

MissdeSade -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 1:44:04 PM)
It seems to me that objectification as an act would be anything that dehumanizes or depersonifies a person. This can be as simple as dressing a slave a certain way to having them act as furniture. There are many levels of objectification and many activities that coincide with it, like humilation or servitude. Best idea is to be very clear what objectification means to the person who it will be used on. Communication is key. Best of luck and never feel ashamed to ask for clarification.

popeye1250 -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 1:44:44 PM)
Oh, also when I'm in that mood it's like I'm an unchained animal. And I want to take out my sexual power on my sub. It's like I have total control over her but not of myself so in a way I guess I'm kind of objectifying myself too like I'm a "sexual Tiger" hungry for fuck meat and my sub is my prey! (I was born in the year of the Tiger.) My former sub would say after a session like that; "Wow! What got into you? You were an absolute ANIMAL!" I'd say; "I don't know." lol Susan, how about "objectification from a sub's viewpoint? I mean is it all relative to the sub? Of course there'd be likes and dislikes of certain (activities) but what about the act of objectification in and of itself? I would think, just from my viewpoint anyway, that just "being" a sub or certainly a slave would be an act of "self objectification?

SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 2:02:25 PM)
popeye: I understand what you mean but - I think - Not unless the submissive was being Objectified. Again, we go back to what people define as Objectification. I can think of scenarios where a submissive would not be being Objectified. For instance, during a scene that required he very active participation, and not just being more passive. Depends on what Objectification means to a person I guess. Yo me it connotes a certain level of passivity on the part of the submjissive that might not always be there (depending on the scene). As for what "self-Objectification" means - I am thinking you're asking if the submissive "gets into it" so much that it reqires a certain level of letting go of their ego. I don't have much ego to begin with (but do hjave plenty of self-esteem), and I like the whole Ojectification idea, and for me it's not difficult to do because I just like it too mjuch to make it hard. I can imagine it gets harder in some circumastances, but I'd still like it, I think. - Susan

popeye1250 -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 3:08:13 PM)
Susan, ok, I see what you mean. And I like it a lot too! I think Pony Training would be a very erotic and fun way of objectifying a sub! There's just so much that you could do in that area. Playing "Sexy Kitty" is another area of objectification but nowhere near as involved as Pony Training. Another area for me is "service". I like service in a sub. For me anyway it's having a sub dressed like a maid; long black stockings, high heels, garterbelt, tight thong, short black dress, and a crisp white shirt. It's not a "doormat" thing with me at all! I live alone and do all those things now myself anyway and it's no big deal for me to have to be doing them. I'd like to have a sub who actually "likes" serving coffee or dinner, cleaning up around the house, laundry, cooking etc. But the thing is she has to "enjoy" doing it and having me like to have her doing service type things and liking it when I watch her doing service type things. And there's a bit of objectification there as she is acting like and dressed as a "Maid." Like she "becomes" a Maid. That's probably poorly phrased but does that make sense? It's kind of like the clothing were her "service uniform" as it were. I just think that maid scenario would make the sub "more" submissive and the uniform (itself) would be a constant "reminder" to her of her submissiveness. I just think it's very sexy!

ownedgirlie -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 3:20:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize There are various means of objectification. Most dominants use it while still accepting the fact that the submissive is a human. The submissive's thoughts and feelings may be ignored at that moment, but this is tempered with the knowledge that the submissive enjoys being used in such a way. There are extremes of objectification where the submissive/slave is not considered a human at all, where the dominant refers to him or her as an 'it', and there is no consideration for emotions or thoughts. You make a good and important point, catize. In all that I listed in my earlier post, those are things I am used as at that moment, as you have so well clarified. I love being used in such a way, and he loves my response when he does so. If I hated it and responded poorly, it wouldn't work for him. If he did not treat me with care as a human overall, I think extreme objectification would be damaging. Thank you for pointing this out.

Kashan -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 3:35:37 PM)
Marilyn Monroe wasn't a real person either, just a persona Norma Jean created and wore. Definitely a sexual object. My guess is that someone is objectified when they are not seen/treated as the person they really are, for a moment, an hour, a day or a lifetime.

SusanofO -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 3:39:17 PM)
I appreciate the reply, Kashan.[:)] - Susan

Yang4yin -> RE: What is included in the definition of Objectification? (7/29/2006 5:43:06 PM)
My 2¢ worth... An object has no feelings or emotions, so objectification would mean treating a living being as an object without regard to his/her feelings. A simple example: Using a person as a footstool or table. More extreme: Binding a woman's breasts and extending the rope to a tree to use her as a clothesline.

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