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I love the scene where that song plays (the ray charles version) on the 4th of july in the movie the sandlot.

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I wonder how one would go about changing the national anthem. I guess some kind of petition?

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I wonder how one would go about changing the national anthem. I guess some kind of petition?

I believe, at this point, it would take an act of congress (law).

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I love the scene where that song plays (the ray charles version) on the 4th of july in the movie the sandlot.

Yer killin' me, Smalls!



Peace,


Michael

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That would be a cool thing they could do.

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one of my all time favorite movies and I watch it every time its on the telly!

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had they done it some years ago because of a popular movement to pick a song americans liked better, then I might have been all for it.

anything now would reek of extortion and appeasement.

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The majority of Confederate "hero" statues, along with renaming public schools and roads,, happened in the 1950's, and was a racist backlash to the Civil Rights Movement.

I don't see anything racist in the lyrics of our National Anthem. And its history, with the lyrics referring to kicking British ass in 1814, doesn't seem racially motivated either.

Yet Francis Scott Key was a slave owner, so there may very well be reason for people of color to take issue with the song directly.

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The majority of Confederate "hero" statues, along with renaming public schools and roads,, happened in the 1950's, and was a racist backlash to the Civil Rights Movement.

I don't see anything racist in the lyrics of our National Anthem. And its history, with the lyrics referring to kicking British ass in 1814, doesn't seem racially motivated either.

Yet Francis Scott Key was a slave owner, so there may very well be reason for people of color to take issue with the song directly.

Many of our country's Founding Fathers were slave owners as well though. So if we're tossing out the Star Spangled Banner because it was written by a white slave owner like Keys, we'd better toss out the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution while we're at it. Those were written by white slave owners too after all.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The majority of Confederate "hero" statues, along with renaming public schools and roads,, happened in the 1950's, and was a racist backlash to the Civil Rights Movement.

I don't see anything racist in the lyrics of our National Anthem. And its history, with the lyrics referring to kicking British ass in 1814, doesn't seem racially motivated either.

Yet Francis Scott Key was a slave owner, so there may very well be reason for people of color to take issue with the song directly.

Many of our country's Founding Fathers were slave owners as well though. So if we're tossing out the Star Spangled Banner because it was written by a white slave owner like Keys, we'd better toss out the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution while we're at it. Those were written by white slave owners too after all.

I was in the process of writing tomorrow's post, and I clicked here to see if there were any additional comments.

Interestingly enough, my piece for tomorrow will center around just this.

Jefferson (that slave-owning son of a bitch) is credited with writing the DoI. I'm sure he had some help, but that document goes into his "column" as an author.

In that document, Jefferson (famously wrote): "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal ..."

Later on, Jefferson had a hand in crafting the "3/5 compromise"; the one that made every slave more than half of a human (which was forward thinking for the day).

Another way to look at that is: three out of every five slaves was, indeed, a human being. Sure, that's another "baby step", but it was a step that brought us to the process that culminated with the 13th and 14th Amendments and, eventually, the CRA of 1964.

Jefferson knew full well what he was doing. It's pretty much a historical FACT that Jefferson hated slave traders and was out to ruin them. While owning slaves at the same time seems duplicitous, surely Jefferson was smart enough to know that if we ruined slave traders, slavery would cease to exist.



Michael

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I didn't say I agreed with it.

But I also don't agree with forcing people of color to stand during a song written by a slave owner.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The majority of Confederate "hero" statues, along with renaming public schools and roads,, happened in the 1950's, and was a racist backlash to the Civil Rights Movement.

I don't see anything racist in the lyrics of our National Anthem. And its history, with the lyrics referring to kicking British ass in 1814, doesn't seem racially motivated either.

Yet Francis Scott Key was a slave owner, so there may very well be reason for people of color to take issue with the song directly.

Many of our country's Founding Fathers were slave owners as well though. So if we're tossing out the Star Spangled Banner because it was written by a white slave owner like Keys, we'd better toss out the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution while we're at it. Those were written by white slave owners too after all.

I was in the process of writing tomorrow's post, and I clicked here to see if there were any additional comments.

Interestingly enough, my piece for tomorrow will center around just this.

Jefferson (that slave-owning son of a bitch) is credited with writing the DoI. I'm sure he had some help, but that document goes into his "column" as an author.

In that document, Jefferson (famously wrote): "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal ... "

Later on, Jefferson had a hand in crafting the "3/5 compromise"; the one that made every slave more than half of a human (which was forward thinking for the day).

Another way to look at that is: three out of every five slaves was, indeed, a human being. Sure, that's another "baby step", but it was a step that brought us to the process that culminated with the 13th and 14th Amendments and, eventually, the CRA of 1964.

Jefferson knew full well what he was doing. It's pretty much a historical FACT that Jefferson hated slave traders and was out to ruin them. While owning slaves at the same time seems duplicitous, surely Jefferson was smart enough to know that if we ruined slave traders, slavery would cease to exist.

Michael

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I didn't say I agreed with it.

But I also don't agree with forcing people of color to stand during a song written by a slave owner.

Who is forcing anyone? Last I saw, Feds in goon gear werent dispatched to the local NFL stadium to force anyone to kneel at gunpoint. Im just saying that if the Star Spangled Banner is offensive, we'd better torch the DoI and US Constitution while we're at it since the same slavery taint Keys brought when he penned the SSB is the same taint Washington, Jefferson, et al had when they got our country up and running. Perhaps we can re-write our entire history like the Kim family did in North Korea to suit....well...who would you like us to re-write history to appease, Jvov?

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I didn't say I agreed with it.

But I also don't agree with forcing people of color to stand during a song written by a slave owner.

Who is forcing anyone? Last I saw, Feds in goon gear werent dispatched to the local NFL stadium to force anyone to kneel at gunpoint. Im just saying that if the Star Spangled Banner is offensive, we'd better torch the DoI and US Constitution while we're at it since the same slavery taint Keys brought when he penned the SSB is the same taint Washington, Jefferson, et al had when they got our country up and running. Perhaps we can re-write our entire history like the Kim family did in North Korea to suit....well...who would you like us to re-write history to appease, Jvov?

I don't think the focus should be on whether or not something is 'offensive' as much as whether or not it is a fitting symbol which represents who we are today.

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We're a multi-national, multi-racial, multi-cultural, multi-belief systems globalized mass here in the US nowadays. Good fucking luck trying to find one fitting symbol of who we are today. I can see it now...

*ANNOUNCER VOICE AT LOCAL SPORTING EVENT*

"Please rise and remove your hats as we play the 300+ officially recognized National Anthems of the United States of America"

All I can say, Tamaka...is my bony 44-year-old ass cant make it through one sporting event with just the SSB. I sure as shit am not going to sit for 5 hours of National Anthems that will make every US citizen feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

P.S. we can change the National Anthem to "Kumbayah" and it still wont change the history of the birth of the US

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We're a multi-national, multi-racial, multi-cultural, multi-belief systems globalized mass here in the US nowadays. Good fucking luck trying to find one fitting symbol of who we are today. I can see it now...

*ANNOUNCER VOICE AT LOCAL SPORTING EVENT*

"Please rise and remove your hats as we play the 300+ officially recognized National Anthems of the United States of America"

All I can say, Tamaka...is my bony 44-year-old ass cant make it through one sporting event with just the SSB. I sure as shit am not going to sit for 5 hours of National Anthems that will make every US citizen feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

P.S. we can change the National Anthem to "Kumbayah" and it still wont change the history of the birth of the US

Sorry I disagree.

Thanks to the bullshit we are not a nation of people with different cultures, we are a bunch of cultures who blame other cultures in the US for all our problems.

African Americans blame white Americans, and so on.