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jlf1961 -> And this crap dont help (11/8/2017 11:18:31 AM)

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In late September, five black cadet candidates found racial slurs scrawled on message boards on their doors at the U.S. Air Force Academy Preparatory School. One candidate found the words "go home n---" written outside his room, his mother posted on social media, according to the Air Force Times.

The racist messages roiled the academy in Colorado Springs, prompted the school to launch an investigation. They led its superintendent to deliver a stern speech that decried the "horrible language" and drew national attention for its eloquence.

But on Tuesday, the school made a jolting announcement. The person responsible for the racist messages, the academy said, was, in fact, one of the cadet candidates who reported being targeted by them.

"The individual admitted responsibility and this was validated by the investigation," academy spokesman Lt. Col. Allen Herritage said in a statement to the Associated Press, adding: "Racism has no place at the academy, in any shape or form."
After racial slurs at Air Force Academy, leader delivers powerful speech on race

The cadet candidate accused of crafting the messages was not identified, but the Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the individual is no longer enrolled at the school. Sources also told the Gazette the cadet candidate "committed the act in a bizarre bid to get out of trouble he faced at the school for other misconduct," the newspaper reported.
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Oh, well, I guess someone will protest the fact this guy got kicked out of the school as racist.

Look people we get it, the history of the United States is 200 years of bigotry, racism, inequality and even genocide. As a country we are trying to change this, and it started with the equal rights movement led by Martin Luther King jr.

But, if you think that King would have approved of the bullshit going on today, you better read his words again. Yes he protested the inequalities faced by his own people, but he also spoke quite eloquently on the need for people to be united, that all lives matter, regardless of color, that all people matter, regardless of religion or sex.

Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.

Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.

It sure as fuck does not help that the political parties in this country are going out of their way to capitalize on this.





RottenJohnny -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/8/2017 2:05:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Look people we get it, the history of the United States is 200 years of bigotry, racism, inequality and even genocide. As a country we are trying to change this, and it started with the equal rights movement led by Martin Luther King jr.

Actually, I think it started with the words "all men are created equal" but I get your meaning.




DaddySatyr -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/8/2017 11:56:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

Actually, I think it started with the words "all men are created equal" but I get your meaning.


My blog for today makes just this point, actually; about how that slave-ownin' sunuvabich, Jefferson actually put us on the road to ending slavery in the DoI.

As far as the OP: I have been saying for a while that fraudulent accusations of racism (amongst other crimes) belittles the actual occurrences thereof.

As long as this country keeps fielding a team in the "Victimhood Olympics", this will be our lot.



Michael




tweakabelle -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 4:37:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.

Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.


Are you suggesting that it's all the liberals' fault? It sure sounds that way.

Americans have always been segregated by racial fault lines. Liberals didn't introduce segregation - that preceded the modern concept of a 'liberal' by at least a century. Jim Crow laws were on the statute books long before anyone conceived of the notion of a liberal. Liberals didn't create the ghettoes - ghettoes also preceded the concept of a contemporary liberal by many decades.

What 'liberals' did do is draw attention to the many existing, decades-old fault lines in American society with the intention of developing policies that sought to abolish those fault lines.

Liberals here in Australia do exactly the same yet get criticised for the same reasons as our US counterparts. Here, the criticism usually comes from the same quarters that have opposed every measure, policy and/or law designed to improve the living standards of people marginalised by outdated social phobias such as racism.

In many cases, the argument you propose is adopted, then advanced enthusiastically by self proclaimed racists, who deeply resentbeing put on the same level ("Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American") as the people they hate. Their aim is to increase racial tensions, to solidify divisions and hate, and to keep the marginalised parts of Australian society 'in their place'.

These are the people that you ought to be pointing an accusing finger towards, not those who are striving to remove racism from society.




bounty44 -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 4:41:38 AM)

this fits here broadly:

"Black-on-Black Racism at Cornell"

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A Rasmussen poll taken in 2013 asked American adults, "Are most white Americans racist?" "Are most Hispanic Americans racist?" and "Are most black Americans racist?" Of the three groups, the winner was blacks.

Thirty-seven percent said most blacks were racist; 18 percent felt most Hispanics were racist, and 15 percent said most whites were racist.

Thirty-eight percent of whites felt most blacks were racist. Even blacks agreed, with 31 percent saying most blacks were racist, while 24 percent of blacks thought most whites racist and 15 percent believed most Hispanics were racist.

[the comrades must be under-represented in the sample, because as we all know, everyone (but them) is a raaaaaaaaacist!]

This brings us to the Cornell University's Black Students United and whether the organization is engaging in racism -- against blacks. The BSU complains that the prestigious Ivy League school admits too many blacks -- from Africa and the Caribbean. "We demand that Cornell Admissions to come up with a plan to actively increase the presence of underrepresented Black students on this campus," the BSU student group said in its demands. "We define underrepresented Black students as Black Americans who have several generations (more than two) in this country."

Hold the phone. Isn't the mantra of modern higher education "diversity," "inclusion" and "overcoming disadvantage"? If so, the black African and Caribbean students would seem to nail all three.

Maybe the problem is that it is tough to explain why so many black foreign applicants outperform America-born blacks on what some call "culturally biased" standardized tests. A 2007 study by Princeton and University of Pennsylvania sociologists examined the standardized test scores of black students enrolled at 28 selective universities. As to the SAT, the test most colleges use as an important factor in offering admission, the study found that foreign-born black college-bound students earned a statistically significant advantage on SAT scores, averaging a score of 1250 (out of 1600) compared to 1193 average points for their American black counterparts. This explains, in large part, why first- or second-generation black immigrants made up 27 percent of the black student bodies at colleges nationwide. In the Ivy League, black immigrants comprised 41 percent of black students.

What is the basis for the black students' protest? Don't black foreigners face even more obstacles? After all, America spends more on education, K through 12, than the top 34 industrialized countries save Switzerland, Austria, Norway and Luxembourg. New York City and Washington, D.C., annually spend approximately $21,000 and $15,000 per student, respectively.

BSU might want to consider the letter to the editor of The Wall Street Journal written by a man from Congo:

"I grew up in the Congo and have numerous friends in the U.S. from the Congo and other African countries who are here for an education or a better life. Every one of them is grateful for the opportunity to secure an excellent education. ... Most come here from different cultures with minimal money and limited English language skills. Interestingly, I've never heard one complain about discrimination, obstacles or being a victim. Rather, they are grateful. Juxtapose this with Cornell's Black Students United (BSU) whose members feel they should be treated better than every other color or race if they have ancestors who've been here for more than two generations.

"The counterintuitive posturing of American blacks denying other blacks from Africa or the Caribbean is appalling. First-generation African or Caribbean students have more obstacles to overcome to get into any university, much less a prestigious one like Cornell. Furthermore, the liberal American blacks who worship at the altar of 'diversity' and 'victimhood' should welcome real Africans or Caribbeans versus seeking preferences for those American blacks who truly have the superior advantage of having grown up in the U.S.

"If my Congolese friends are grateful for their opportunities here and have more challenges to overcome, why should American blacks get special treatment? Call this action what it is: racism. And it's being pushed and protected under the guise of alleged victimization and preferential treatment at the expense of others of all colors and walks of life. So I challenge the BSU folks to start focusing on the concept of succeeding in life instead of always dwelling on the idea that the system is rigged against them."

The black immigrant culture rejects the victicrat mentality embraced by so many American blacks. In "The Triple Package," a 2014 book about immigrants' children, a son of Nigerian-born parents says, "If you start thinking about or becoming absorbed in the mentality that the whole system is against us, then you cannot succeed."

Rather than complain about the success of foreign-born blacks, why not give failing urban schools some competition through vouchers to give parents greater choice in where to educate their children, a policy currently pushed by the Trump administration? In the Detroit public school district, for example, just seven percent of eighth-graders are proficient or better in reading and just four percent are sufficient or better in math, despite total expenditures per student of over $18,000, according to the 2015 National Assessment of Educational Progress tests.

Isn't this the real problem?


https://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2017/11/09/blackonblack-racism-at-cornell-n2406726






MasterDrakk -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 5:03:04 AM)

Yeah, vouchers. Vouchers really do something.




bounty44 -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 5:16:26 AM)

gee mnottertroll---I was hoping the moderators would have caught you by now.




Lucylastic -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 5:31:46 AM)

If you think its whoever it is, block them, then you can stop whinging.




jlf1961 -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 5:45:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.

Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.


Are you suggesting that it's all the liberals' fault? It sure sounds that way.

Americans have always been segregated by racial fault lines. Liberals didn't introduce segregation - that preceded the modern concept of a 'liberal' by at least a century. Jim Crow laws were on the statute books long before anyone conceived of the noton of a liberal. Liberals didn't create the ghettoes - ghettoes also preceded the concept of a contemporary liberal by many decades.

What 'liberals' did do is draw attention to the many existing, decades-old fault lines in American society with the intention of developing policies that sought to abolish those fault lines.

Liberals here in Australia do exactly the same yet get criticised for the same reasons as our US counterparts. Here, the criticism usually comes from the same quarters that have opposed every measure, policy and/or law designed to improve the living standards of people marginalised by outdated social phobias such as racism.

In many cases, the argument you propose is adopted, then advanced enthusiastically by self proclaimed racists, who deeply resent being put on the same level ("Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American") as the people they hate. Their aim is to increase racial tensions, to solidify divisions and hate, and to keep the marginalised parts of Australian society 'in their place'.



You really need to learn to fucking read.

"the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans"

I mentioned liberals first because of one simple fact, during elections, the do not push a single, unified issue, they actually push issues specifically tailored to get specific voter groups, and they started that shit long before the GOP did.

The dems pushed the 'affirmative action' programs for colleges, making it so each school had to have a specific percentage minorities enrolled even if the applicant did not have the minimum grades to get into the fucking school.

Its bullshit.

And it was the reason there is a new term in American business and academic circles, 'the token <fill in race>' employee or student. Companies with government contracts have to hire minorities to keep those contracts even if the people are less qualified than other applicants.

And, what makes it worse is that it is more lucrative for colleges to enroll minorities rather than expand the schools to handle all qualified students due to various credits and grants that are awarded.

However, schools that were established for black students due to segregation are not required to take white students.

Again, bullshit.




tweakabelle -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 7:33:40 AM)

Your basic argument seems to be that the US's problems with race are a consequence of political parties designing policies that support and try to improve the living standards of already existing and marginalised ethnic communities. You seem to be then arguing that these 'divisions' are then reinforced by AA programs.

Now it might be a coincidence but precisely the same ill-informed arguments are advanced here by racists and far Right thugs who claim that programs to improve the lot of ethnic minorities are effectively disenfranchising and emasculating white Australia. Racial harmony is not on these people's agenda - quite the opposite. They want to stir up racial unrest and create divisions that reflect their pathetic hatreds.

The flaw with these arguments (apart from the objectionable often obnoxious ignorant people who advance them here) is that the social disadvantages facing ethnic minorities long precede either identitiy politics or AA programs. If you want to argue that these are attempted solutions that have failed to deliver, you might be in a position to make a reasonable argument.

But to assert that these are causes of the problems, as you appear to be doing, while failing to acknowledge the long histories of virulent racism that both our countries share, is simply nonsense. Identity politics and AA programs are effects of, consequences of pre-existing racist histories. Those histories long precede both identity politics and AA programs. Those histories are the root cause of the problems ethnic communities encounter.

You seem to be arguing that an effect is a cause - an inherently irrational and fallacious argument




DesideriScuri -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 7:36:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.
Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.

Are you suggesting that it's all the liberals' fault? It sure sounds that way.
Americans have always been segregated by racial fault lines. Liberals didn't introduce segregation - that preceded the modern concept of a 'liberal' by at least a century. Jim Crow laws were on the statute books long before anyone conceived of the notion of a liberal. Liberals didn't create the ghettoes - ghettoes also preceded the concept of a contemporary liberal by many decades.
What 'liberals' did do is draw attention to the many existing, decades-old fault lines in American society with the intention of developing policies that sought to abolish those fault lines.
Liberals here in Australia do exactly the same yet get criticised for the same reasons as our US counterparts. Here, the criticism usually comes from the same quarters that have opposed every measure, policy and/or law designed to improve the living standards of people marginalised by outdated social phobias such as racism.
In many cases, the argument you propose is adopted, then advanced enthusiastically by self proclaimed racists, who deeply resentbeing put on the same level ("Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American") as the people they hate. Their aim is to increase racial tensions, to solidify divisions and hate, and to keep the marginalised parts of Australian society 'in their place'.
These are the people that you ought to be pointing an accusing finger towards, not those who are striving to remove racism from society.


You're not psychic. You have no idea what Jeff was saying. It just fits your narrative. Do you think Jeff was saying that neo-nazi's are liberals? He'd have to, by your (mis)interpretation. You might want to consider thinking at least a half step beyond the bullshit you're typing.




jlf1961 -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 11:08:25 AM)

Tweakabelle, if you actually knew half of what you think you do about the United States, you might actually understand the situation.

First, you have political parties that build election campaigns around specific segments of the population to gain their votes, which on the surface sounds like a good idea, until you stop and look at the total party agenda, which rarely follows the promises made to minorities, but allows the candidate to come back during re election and claim they tried.

Let me give you a great example, using the current gun debate:

Some years ago, it came to the attention of congress that gun retailers were being sued for selling guns to people, who by law, legally could not purchase a gun, but the back ground checks were coming back clean.

In other words, the retailer followed the law, got a favorable response on the back ground check and sold the weapon, and then they were being sued by the survivors or victims for selling a gun to a prohibited person.

So congress passed a bill that was signed into law that prevents such lawsuits, learning during the hearings that the reason the back ground checks were coming back clean was because it was not mandatory for that information to be submitted to the national data base used for back ground checks.

The bill had overwhelming support of both pro gun republicans and anti gun democrats (many of whom have supported the various gun ban bills introduced over the years.)

Now, were these congress members who sponsor the ban bills looking out for their constituents that want guns banned or looking out for someone else?

Or take affirmative action.

Colleges have minimum grade standards for admission, using two entrance exam tests, ACT and SAT.

To get accepted, on the surface you have to be above a set grade.

However, under Affirmative Action, private and state colleges have to have a minimum number of minority students to qualify for federal grants and assistance.

If the number of qualified minority students is lower than the minimum needed, then the colleges accept minority students who are below the minimum grade required, over a white student that has met the minimum grade for acceptance.

Affirmative action laws are written to benefit minorities and women, and if the student happens to be a minority female, they get credit for two classifications. If the applicant is a minority female from a lower income bracket, the school gets credit on three levels, even if they do not meet the minimum grade average the school requires for admission.

Of course, traditionally black or minority schools are exempt from affirmative action, as is traditionally female schools.

Then you have the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, wonderful thought until you look at the statistics, white males are still shot by cops at a rate of two for every one black, and Hispanic males are 1 and a half times more likely to be shot by police than black males.

When it comes to illegal aliens, the debate centers on illegals from Mexico and Central America, hence Trump's wall on the Mexico border.

They seem to ignore the fact that Asians are smuggled into the United States in equal numbers, many times arriving in modified shipping containers in conditions that would have made the slave ships of the slave era look like luxury cruises.

As for the civil war memorials, the large scale protests are a recent thing, some of those statues are over a hundred years old and only NOW they are a problem?

Give me a fucking break.

I believe in equal rights for all races, sexes, and religions, but my idea of equal rights does not include special consideration because of religion, race or sex. Equal rights means just that equal.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 12:47:43 PM)

FR
Hold on here. Are you saying that some of the people who join the cadets are redneck racist motherfuckers?

HOLY FUCK MAN!!!!!

Alert the media and apply for a research grant or two.

*smh*




servantforuse -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 1:56:57 PM)

The "dizzy" part of your name is perfect for you. Disoriented would be better though.




stef -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 2:15:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If you think its whoever it is, block them, then you can stop whinging.


He can't. Ron hasn't given his bitch permission to block him.




bounty44 -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 5:47:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If you think its whoever it is, block them, then you can stop whinging.



sorry---pointing something out/making an observation is not "whining"






MasterDrakk -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 5:56:03 PM)

I will make the observation, and point it out, that you are whining.




Lucylastic -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 10:09:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

I will make the observation, and point it out, that you are whining.

what you said:)




Lucylastic -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/9/2017 10:15:24 PM)

PS back to the OP for a minute

While Racism is still a big problem, and false accusations are more noticed than reality, I give you these two stories that really dont help the divide,

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-protests-arrests/three-charged-in-shooting-after-white-nationalists-florida-speech-idUSKBN1CP2JG

Three charged in shooting after white nationalist's Florida speech

(Reuters) - A Texas man who shot at protesters after a white nationalist’s speech at the University of Florida and two brothers who urged him to “kill them” have been charged with attempted homicide, police said on Friday.

No one was injured in the shooting incident, which occurred on Thursday near the campus in Gainesville where hundreds of people protested Richard Spencer’s speech amid a heavy police presence and a preemptive state of emergency declaration by the governor.

Gainesville police said Tyler Tenbrink, 28, and William and Colton Fears, 30 and 28, respectively, stopped their car near the campus to argue with a group of protesters.

After threatening the protesters and making Nazi salutes, Tenbrink fired a single shot at them as the Fears brothers yelled “kill them” and “shoot them,” police said.

The shot hit a nearby building, and the suspects fled in their car, police said. One of the protesters reported the car’s license plate number to police, and trio were arrested a few hours later.
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And then there is this....
NYPD cops charged with raping woman in police van
Two NYPD cops have been indicted on first-degree rape charges for allegedly having sex with a handcuffed 18-year-old woman inside their police van in Brooklyn, The Post has learned.

Officers Eddie Martins and Richard Hall are expected to turn themselves in early next week for arraignment in Brooklyn Supreme Court, sources said.
The cops, who work as narcotics officers in south Brooklyn, would face a mandatory minimum of three years in prison, and a maximum of 25 years, if convicted of the charge.

The grand jury vote occurred Thursday, capping a week of testimony that included the teen accuser taking the stand to tell grand jurors that the two cops had sex with her against her will.

The alleged attack happened Sept. 15, after she was arrested for possession of marijuana and an anti-anxiety drug in Bath Beach.

The cops drove her to a Coney Island Chipotle parking lot, where Martins raped her and both of the officers forced her to perform oral sex, she has alleged through her lawyer, Michael David.

Under New York state law, someone can be charged with a felony they did not physically commit if they acted in concert with a co-defendant who did so.

Meanwhile, the cops have insisted in conversations with colleagues that the sex was consensual, according to police sources.

Mark Bederow, attorney for Martins, said, “The dynamic will change when there are court proceedings. The allegations repeatedly and publicly alleged by the plaintiff’s lawyer will need to be supported by credible evidence and withstand scrutiny.”

Hall’s lawyer did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Matrins and Hall have been suspended without pay, an NYPD spokesperson told The Post.

The officers’ accuser praised the indictment later Friday.

Tweeting under her pseudonym, Anna Chambers, she linked to the Post’s story Friday, and wrote “GODBLESSSSSS.”

Her lawyer, David, issued this statement:

“Based on The Post’s story, this validates what my client has always said – that she was kidnapped, handcuffed, brutally raped and then thrown onto the street by two on-duty officers.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/27/nypd-cops-charged-with-raping-woman-in-police-van/

The updated news is that the cops have resigned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/02/nypd-detectives-raped-a-teen-in-the-back-of-a-police-van-after-her-arrest-prosecutors-say/?utm_term=.570bfc97fb92




vincentML -> RE: And this crap dont help (11/13/2017 1:41:56 PM)

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I believe in equal rights for all races, sexes, and religions, but my idea of equal rights does not include special consideration because of religion, race or sex. Equal rights means just that equal.


As you well know, Jif, "Equal rights" has been a successful social doctrine following the slaughter brought about by the Civil War. We all pay lip service to it as you did here, but it is a failed achievement in the cold reality of social norms. You began your essay with a hopeful call for real equality but somewhere along the line you went terribly astray and ended by blaming Tweake for being a foreigner to our shores.

Our history, even today, continues to be a repudiation of the Natural Law that we are all god's children and all created equally. Given that your premise is one we can easily agree with, the question lingers as to what we can do to correct the situation. It would seem to be the proper jurisdiction of political parties and legislatures but you reject decades of laws and court cases for failure to suit your definitions of Equality. In fact, you fail to give a definition except to repeat the original premise. You leave us with a tautology and pretend it is a real social problem. Your idea of equality does not include special provisions (paraphrasing) for aggrieved parties. You do not deny that there are aggrieved groups. What solution do you propose, Jif? Shall we continue to ignore that discrimination and racism have been enforced by the barrels of guns? Shall we simply hope that one day we will all get together and sing kumbaya and just all get along? I have always given you greater credit than that, Jif. What do you propose? What path shall we take to heal the nation of its original sin?




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