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vincentML -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 2:42:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I think it goes back to the Commander-In-Heat's "Bimbo eruptions". Very good point but . . . . Fatty Arbuckle and Roman Polanski predated Bill. To the best of my knowledge, neither of them was a politician? I thought I made my point, but I'll try again: Many, many years ago, I learned that "celebrities" (be they Hollyweird or Washington) enjoyed an "emotional pass" on a lot of things, as long as their "hearts were in the right place", as far as their political stance. Obviously, politicians, being more closely associated with politics, enjoyed this "pass" more than others. Slick Willy was a womanizing, harassing - possibly, rapist - scumbag, but he was "good for the country" so leave him alone. I'm sure it goes back, before that, but there was a time that the press was loathe to throw around allegations without sufficient corroboration (Three sources and all of that "olde fashion" stuff). Those days no longer exist. Slick Willy finished 1999 with about a 68% approval standing. Arbuckle and Polanski (entertainers both) have been socially hounded since the accusations. Roman fled to Europe and I am not sure if Fatty didn't go to jail.

vincentML -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 2:46:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? Same reason we believe things if they’re in all caps? If that is a style criticism, it is noted.

DaddySatyr -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 3:19:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 i believe you are describing dennis Hastert. the notion of having to "put up or shut up and face some sort of penalty" is an interesting one. I think to some extent it already occurs with false rape charges, and every once in awhile you hear about it in other areas too, but I wonder to what extent defamation of character laws might already account for this? It *does* happen, but the charges the false accuser face are (usually) Perjury (generally one year) or filing a false police report (generally, even less, all the way down to a fine). If the punishment was a bit more equal, I think you'd see less false accusations. Peace, Michael

LTE -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 5:34:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Let's play a game.. Where is your wallet right now? how hard do you think it would be for me to take it from you? However i manage to do it... Maybe you were asleep. Whatever. I don't care. If I managed to take your wallet, would it only be REAL to you IF you reported it. Only if you went to the cops was it really gone. Whether you go to the cops or not, your wallet is still gone. That police report doesn't change anything. Reporting it or not reporting it doesn't change the fact that your wallet is GONE. Ten years from now, you'll still talk about it. How to replace your driver's license or your Social Security card. ATM, credit cards, etc. Did I only steal your wallet IF you went to the cops? The wallet is still gone, whether you walk into the police station or not. ...the real point is there is strength in numbers even 10 years after the fact. Perhaps only so especially 10 years after the fact. So, if one is a recent victim, don't brush this off because now we know there are likely more past victims and they can add their voice to yours since it also appears women and men are no longer hiding this even if it occurred sometime in the past.

kdsub -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 5:34:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch

LTE -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 5:39:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government.

LTE -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 5:40:34 PM)
...and it's not us. (another hint).

sloguy02246 -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 6:42:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government. No. If the girl is 14 years old, any sexual contact with her is statutory rape, no matter who supposedly gave their "permission" for it to happen, including her mother.

Danemora -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 6:47:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government. That has got to be one of the crerpiest things Ive ever heard. No, wait...Dateline did a series of stories featuring Moore like men who talked exactly like this. All busted for coming to a place to score with what they thought was a teen. Spinning excuses while getting arrested for being scumbags. Just when Artie couldnt get skeevier, he breaks out the excavator and digs the pit even deeper [8\|]

MercTech -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:21:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV [image]https://www.rainn.org/sites/default/files/Out_Of_1000_Rapes%20122016.png[/image] You really need to look at the origins of those statistics.... Did you ever regret having sex... you were raped Did you ever have sex after having drinks.... you were raped. If you look at actual police records; you get a completely different story. The police don't arrest and prosecute the guy who got shoved against you in a crowded commuter train.

LTE -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:29:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government. No. If the girl is 14 years old, any sexual contact with her is statutory rape, no matter who supposedly gave their "permission" for it to happen, including her mother. Right away you jump to "sexual contact" and then suggest the Government needs to give permission in the form of a prosecuting the man even though he had permission to take her out to dinner and a movie and did nothing else that has been proven. So again, my question is who else must give him permission to date the daughter?

LTE -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:31:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government. That has got to be one of the crerpiest things Ive ever heard. No, wait...Dateline did a series of stories featuring Moore like men who talked exactly like this. All busted for coming to a place to score with what they thought was a teen. Spinning excuses while getting arrested for being scumbags. Just when Artie couldnt get skeevier, he breaks out the excavator and digs the pit even deeper [8\|] And you too, right away you jump into a rape fantasy and accuse me of being the creep. Again, the question is when taking the girl out on a date and he has the mother's permission and the girl wants to go out, who else must give permission?

LTE -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:32:41 PM)
Never mind, clearly I don't care what you think after those kind of responses and it's late. Good night.

LadyPact -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:39:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE ...the real point is there is strength in numbers even 10 years after the fact. Perhaps only so especially 10 years after the fact. So, if one is a recent victim, don't brush this off because now we know there are likely more past victims and they can add their voice to yours since it also appears women and men are no longer hiding this even if it occurred sometime in the past. While I don't agree with your subsequent posts, I do somewhat agree with this one. Strength in numbers is a thing but we really don't get there until we have those ten others, which makes it a heck of a lot easier for the tenth person to be believed than it probably was on the first. It's one of the problems I have with the thread title because I don't agree with this 'readily believing' stuff because I've seen way too many people get their @ss handed to them over people telling them they were lying, it couldn't possibly be, and some other rather hurtful stuff. It's very hard on the person coming forward because while they have this strong hope and desire of wanting to be believed at such a crucial time and it coincides with not being believed. There have been some mentions of if a person doesn't go to authorities, we shouldn't be trying cases on social media. However, that's also how these victims are finding each other and the additional people end up coming forward. The victim from ten years ago who didn't file won't know the new victim did file, unless for some reason the perpetrator is newsworthy.

vincentML -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:45:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint. Butch Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first." [sm=happy-smiley58.gif][sm=happy-smiley58.gif] What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments. Butch Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government. I believe your position is fatally flawed. Imagine by way of comparison that Alabama has a law against murder. I suspect they do. Can the mother give anyone permission to murder her 13 year old child? I think not. By analogy, if there is a law against sexual contact with a minor I suspect there is no exemption for permission from the mother. Your reasoning is kinda goofy. Why do we defend politicians more readily than entertainers? Maybe it has to do with the history of the development of the "professions." Politicians emerged from the line of kings when dynasties fell. Entertainers, by contrast, included gypsies, travelers, prostitutes and other low life types. Lately, however, it is difficult to distinguish between the two groups.

Danemora -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:49:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTE And you too, right away you jump into a rape fantasy and accuse me of being the creep. Again, the question is when taking the girl out on a date and he has the mother's permission and the girl wants to go out, who else must give permission? Never wrote the word "rape fantasy" or even implied rape. Pull up your pants...your Freudian slip is showing. You are a creep, Artie. That part is a given. We cannot unsee the creep once the creep is seen. You should know that by now since, well, you're you. I agree. You logic is terminally flawed. Mom can give permission for many things, however State Law is the law of that particular land...not Mommy Law. Frankly no mother in her right fucking mind would say its okay for a grown ass man to date her 14-year-old child. So if this one did, shame on her too! And please, invest in some reading comprehension classes so you dont make quite this big an ass of yourself.

vincentML -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 8:56:17 PM)
quote: And you too, right away you jump into a rape fantasy and accuse me of being the creep. Again, the question is when taking the girl out on a date and he has the mother's permission and the girl wants to go out, who else must give permission? Giving permission to "date" is not the same as giving permission to "rape." That seems to go without saying. If there is an age law limiting sexual contact then obviously it was enacted by the Legislature and the State gives or withholds permission.

vincentML -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 9:00:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: LTE ...the real point is there is strength in numbers even 10 years after the fact. Perhaps only so especially 10 years after the fact. So, if one is a recent victim, don't brush this off because now we know there are likely more past victims and they can add their voice to yours since it also appears women and men are no longer hiding this even if it occurred sometime in the past. While I don't agree with your subsequent posts, I do somewhat agree with this one. Strength in numbers is a thing but we really don't get there until we have those ten others, which makes it a heck of a lot easier for the tenth person to be believed than it probably was on the first. It's one of the problems I have with the thread title because I don't agree with this 'readily believing' stuff because I've seen way too many people get their @ss handed to them over people telling them they were lying, it couldn't possibly be, and some other rather hurtful stuff. It's very hard on the person coming forward because while they have this strong hope and desire of wanting to be believed at such a crucial time and it coincides with not being believed. There have been some mentions of if a person doesn't go to authorities, we shouldn't be trying cases on social media. However, that's also how these victims are finding each other and the additional people end up coming forward. The victim from ten years ago who didn't file won't know the new victim did file, unless for some reason the perpetrator is newsworthy. I used the term "readily believing" to reflect public reaction to a news event. Happy to change it if you an supply a more concise and appropriate term.

Lucylastic -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 9:06:46 PM)
FR. wow now thats creepy mansplaining, artie, momma gives her permission for him to "date" her 14 yr old, so its not his fault, he cant be blamed for what he did to a child(hypothetically)

LadyPact -> RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? (11/11/2017 9:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I used the term "readily believing" to reflect public reaction to a news event. Happy to change it if you an supply a more concise and appropriate term. I'm not entirely sure what I would have used, instead. Maybe about the social climate as it stands now compared to ten or twenty years ago or something along the lines of maybe we're getting better at it because we have more information. Neither of which is concise or would have conveyed the thought in the same way.

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