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jlf1961 -> RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting (11/15/2017 2:56:02 PM)
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Bama if you want to own weapons that can kill then yes i want you to pay the price to have some assurance of sanity... I do understand your objections for obvious reasons.
Butch
pay the price for having weapons that kill, have you actually thought that through?
Guns are not the only privately owned weapons that kill.
Need I remind you that before guns, there was the crossbow, before that the long bow and composite bows.
And no, composite materials are NOT a modern invention, they have been around for a few thousand years.
Now as for the argument that a .223 is more powerful than the .308, that is a myth, generated by the fact the US Military adopted the 5.56mm or .223 when they went to the M16.
The .308 is a more powerful round, has more stopping power, penetration, longer range etc. source
The whole idea for adopting the 5.56 or .223 was that the bullets were lighter and that meant your average soldier could carry more. That was the only reason that the M16 in 5.56 was adopted.
That said, you can get any number of AR civilian variants in .308, they are more expensive but available. I own two such weapons.
The .223 is great for short range deer hunting, which is why the round was developed in the first place, and then the military 5.56 NATO came after.
Very rarely to military rounds come first, often it is the civilian round that inspires the military.
Of course, the real advantage of the AR type rifle is the magazine capacity. Personally, I never understood why a civilian needs a 10, 15 or 20 round magazine hunting deer. I mean the old bolt actions held between 3 and 7 rounds depending on the make and model and everyone was happy with them, and the lever action 30-30, 44 or 44-40 rifles held seven.
I mean lets face it, if you miss with the first round, the odds are against you getting a second shot at the same target, deer do not stand and wait for the next round to come in, and a running deer in the brush or forest is not going to be an easy target with a semi auto.
Then of course there is the military argument that still train troops to fire single rounds unless the situation is critical, then go full auto. Spray and pray just dont work in any situation unless the targets are in a crowded room, or concert venue etc.
Personally, I use a five round mag when I am just out hunting varmints or the occasional deer, but I prefer my bolt actions for large game.
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