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Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 2:06:43 PM   
KenDckey


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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article184480228.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints

I odn't think they are but some do
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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 2:32:41 PM   
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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist?

I haven't spoken to/interacted with enough cams to make a judgment call.

Seriously, I thought one of the reasons proponents of body cams gave in support of them was that it would help document/fight instances of racism?



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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 2:34:15 PM   
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https://www.teamupturn.org/reports/2017/the-illusion-of-accuracy
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article184480228.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints
I odn't think they are but some do


To answer the question: No.

From the second link:
    quote:

    Rather than ensuring their account is accurate, the advocacy groups say, "reviewing footage — consciously or not — can distort what officers claim to remember and what they write in their reports. Reports aided by footage review are ultimately less accurate, because they no longer capture an officer's own independent recollection of events."


Reports aided by footage review are less accurate? Because the camera lies?


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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 2:35:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is the reason theyweere issued Michael, but tthe first link indicated that they distort evidence instead. Thus making them racist.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 3:06:48 PM   
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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist?
I haven't spoken to/interacted with enough cams to make a judgment call.
Seriously, I thought one of the reasons proponents of body cams gave in support of them was that it would help document/fight instances of racism?
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Go do a Google image search.

Know what you don't see? White police body cameras. Obviously, police body cameras as RACIST!!!!

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 3:24:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
https://www.teamupturn.org/reports/2017/the-illusion-of-accuracy
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article184480228.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints
I odn't think they are but some do


To answer the question: No.

From the second link:
    quote:

    Rather than ensuring their account is accurate, the advocacy groups say, "reviewing footage — consciously or not — can distort what officers claim to remember and what they write in their reports. Reports aided by footage review are ultimately less accurate, because they no longer capture an officer's own independent recollection of events."


Reports aided by footage review are less accurate? Because the camera lies?



I don't get that "logic" either.
An officer's memory of an event is always absolutely perfect, so if the camera footage doesn't confirm what he remembers and reports, the camera is the one that has a faulty memory?

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 3:46:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been ponderring and part of the issue is that there is a possibility that the camera's didn't prove what the desired outcome that was wanted, thus making them suspect. Just speculating.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 5:23:57 PM   
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I have been ponderring and part of the issue is that there is a possibility that the camera's didn't prove what the desired outcome that was wanted, thus making them suspect. Just speculating.


Anything that doesn't advance the desired talking points is inaccurate or useless. That's S.O.P. for the self-appointed arbiters of decency and morality.

Spot on, Ken.



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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/18/2017 8:31:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

https://www.teamupturn.org/reports/2017/the-illusion-of-accuracy

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article184480228.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558832090/body-cam-study-shows-no-effect-on-police-use-of-force-or-citizen-complaints

I odn't think they are but some do


Well sure... unless my eyes deceive me most body cameras are BLACK.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 8:15:02 AM   
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I have been ponderring and part of the issue is that there is a possibility that the camera's didn't prove what the desired outcome that was wanted, thus making them suspect. Just speculating.

Yep, and the white police depts. don't want them and allow contractors to own and restrict the content.

With these new inventions, our law enforcement is twisting themselves into pretzels trying for either a new legal environment or to hide and obfuscate the recorded results.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 10:01:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Body cameras and dashboard cameras are a tool in the search for truth and not a panacea of proof.

Body camera footage showing a person crazily waving a knife around and screaming prior to being shot by police is rather definitive.

Close quarters body cam footage that gives the impression of a struggle without actually showing the struggle is indicative but not prohibitive (to use some CSI jargon).

This is the job of lawyers and judges to sort out during the "discovery" portion of a criminal trial. Quality of trial lawyers may vary. <grin>


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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 10:15:30 AM   
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Body cameras and dashboard cameras are a tool in the search for truth and not a panacea of proof.

Body camera footage showing a person crazily waving a knife around and screaming prior to being shot by police is rather definitive.

Close quarters body cam footage that gives the impression of a struggle without actually showing the struggle is indicative but not prohibitive (to use some CSI jargon).

This is the job of lawyers and judges to sort out during the "discovery" portion of a criminal trial. Quality of trial lawyers may vary. <grin>



Yes, cam video is another piece of evidence but however, a very...compelling piece of evidence. The cam doesn't lie.

I've heard more than once and particularly in theses cases, that the most perjury in court, is committed by the police. They the police are eternally trying to protect themselves.

Yet it is the local police that are in the front lines in the battle to protect our rights...not cover their ass for their incompetence or criminality at the expense of the people's rights.

For an example, there is one dashboard tape that caught a police officer planting cocaine in a car. He couldn't lie his way out of that one.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 11:05:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I have been ponderring and part of the issue is that there is a possibility that the camera's didn't prove what the desired outcome that was wanted, thus making them suspect. Just speculating.

Yep, and the white police depts. don't want them and allow contractors to own and restrict the content.
With these new inventions, our law enforcement is twisting themselves into pretzels trying for either a new legal environment or to hide and obfuscate the recorded results.


Try to stay on task, MrRodgers. The complaint here is that the police are using the recorded results to write the reports, not as an attempt to hide and obfuscate the recorded results. FFS


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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 12:20:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it's an issue, make the bodycam footage inaccessible to the officer, or have it upload automatically to a secure server so that IA can review the footage and compare it against a report made by an "unprejudiced by video" officer.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 12:34:18 PM   
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If it's an issue, make the bodycam footage inaccessible to the officer, or have it upload automatically to a secure server so that IA can review the footage and compare it against a report made by an "unprejudiced by video" officer.


That's what the OP's first link leads to. Personally, I like the idea of police reports being as accurate as possible, which means they should be able to review the cam footage while making the report.


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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 12:48:59 PM   
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If it's an issue, make the bodycam footage inaccessible to the officer, or have it upload automatically to a secure server so that IA can review the footage and compare it against a report made by an "unprejudiced by video" officer.


That's what the OP's first link leads to. Personally, I like the idea of police reports being as accurate as possible, which means they should be able to review the cam footage while making the report.



Different people can look at a video and perceive it differently.

Personally, I agree with you that Officers should utilize the cam footage to write their reports. It should help the honest ones defend their actions and reveal the ones who try to slant the narrative.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 2:00:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see why an officer should be able to review the body footage at all. The report should be given based on what the officer saw, heard, smelled, and felt, as soon as they're able to make the report.

What's on the video should corroborate the officer's statement, not be used as a cheat sheet.

If any sort of racism is at play here, it's the Blue Supremacists. (Cops)

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 4:15:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I have been ponderring and part of the issue is that there is a possibility that the camera's didn't prove what the desired outcome that was wanted, thus making them suspect. Just speculating.

Yep, and the white police depts. don't want them and allow contractors to own and restrict the content.
With these new inventions, our law enforcement is twisting themselves into pretzels trying for either a new legal environment or to hide and obfuscate the recorded results.


Try to stay on task, MrRodgers. The complaint here is that the police are using the recorded results to write the reports, not as an attempt to hide and obfuscate the recorded results. FFS


I understand and you add the rest to it. I.e., the police all too often, know they have something to hide or worse, plant.

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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 4:24:20 PM   
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Try to stay on task, MrRodgers. The complaint here is that the police are using the recorded results to write the reports, not as an attempt to hide and obfuscate the recorded results. FFS

Sometimes....., Americans can seriously come out with the craziest shit to find fault with!

Body cams produces false evidence now? WTF?

Just reading and rolling my eyes!


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RE: Are Police Body Cam's Racist? - 11/19/2017 4:35:23 PM   
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Try to stay on task, MrRodgers. The complaint here is that the police are using the recorded results to write the reports, not as an attempt to hide and obfuscate the recorded results. FFS

Body cams produces false evidence now? WTF?


Except that nobody has made that charge.


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