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jlf1961 -> Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 6:40:28 AM)
The Liberal Saint Hillary pretty much said it herself, ethics and moral indiscretions only count against Republicans. quote: Radio host Rita Cosby grilled Hillary Clinton, the 2016 Democratic nominee for president, over the sexual assault allegations against her husband Former President Bill Clinton in the 90s and the way the women who made the accusations were treated by her. Clinton told the weekend WABC-AM radio host "we have a man who is accused of sexual assault sitting in the Oval Office." Clinton said women who have spoken out against Trump should not be "overlooked or forgotten." "We have a man who is accused of sexual assault sitting in the Oval Office, don't we? And the very credible accusations against him have not been taken seriously," the former Secretary of State said. Cosby asked Clinton about her own husband's infidelities. Clinton said that is "not a distraction we should fall for." source Distraction? No, it is not a distraction when the same accusations were made about her husband and she did nothing but work damage control. It is not a distraction when her husband was getting blow jobs from an intern in the Oval office and she 'stood by her man' and worked on damage control. It is one more case that validates the point that regardless of party, these people never admit to what they did wrong, but point at the other guy and list his or her moral failings. I know it would be impossible to get politicians that had no skeletons in their closet, that never did one thing that was morally questionable, but this shit of "forget what I did, look at them" is bullshit. I would expect this kind of argument from a child, instead we are getting it from career politicians.

MrRodgers -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 7:51:08 AM)
.....and the wives of repub who weren't the first lady, a senator, a sec. of state and given and asked questions such questions have been beacons of propriety ? Like I've said, Hillary is history and in that history adjudicated by a repub financed civil suit 20 years ago and amazing enough an impeachment. So now we are dealt the cards of the early 21 cent. which see serial sexual assaulter(s) elected as pres. and now seek in the senate in Alabama and thus despite whatever Hillary has to say, we out here can cut this outlandish hypocrisy...with a knife.

WhoreMods -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 8:42:08 AM)
"Liberal Saint"? If the conservatives won't own the tangerine bawbag in the white house, I have no idea why the liberals should be expected to claim Clinton: she acts more like a Republican than the current president, and has spent her whole political career doing so.

Lucylastic -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 8:45:50 AM)
There are millions of men who have had affairs and worse that wish their wife had stood by them instead of leaving their sorry aggressive, lying, cheating asses. There are millions of women who have stood by their lying abusive scum sucking husbands, for a million different reasons. Murderers, rapists, bank robbers and worse have family and spouses that stick by them thru thick and thin. We know that no matter the "facts" or truth, people will ignore them. For love, for religion, for money, for status, for the children, for themselves, for hate. The right have been screaming about bill since it happened. and blamed him and her for everything because he is a "rapist" Allegations were made and addressed at the time. not in the accusers favour, but they were NOT ignored OR forgotten. they were trotted out as pure partisan attacks, but not because they cared about what happened to them. You can see the history of it, even on this board in detail. A quick search brought up this thread about herman cain's accusers. back in 2011 http://www.collarchat.com/m_3946242/mpage_1/tm.htm Im sure I could find more , but its above my sense of wonder and its sunday morning, so fuck that. It IS a distraction from what is going on with trump and moore. why? because its not news, bill has been the bogey man for twenty years, his accusers aren't new, there are no other allegations in how many years or have there? Bill isnt president now, neither is hillary, neither are running for seats, neither are in the government. If it came out today bill probably would have been charged and jailed. depending on the statute of limitations. Except he WAS president. And like Trump, cannot be charged while president. Most people in the 90s didn't give a damn compared to how its viewed in the last year. Well except by various "victims" of mostly men that have come out in the past year. Sexual assault is not partisan. How you deal with it says a lot. Im suddenly reminded of all the bullshit anita hill went through.

jlf1961 -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 9:12:51 AM)
Hillary may be history, but her attitude is no different than President Trump when it comes to finger pointing at the other guy. What I find deplorable is that no matter who it is, they will excuse the behavior of members of their own party, while condemning the same behavior in others. If, they cannot own the failings of their own, what right do they have to judge others?

MercTech -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 9:35:21 AM)
"Some animals are more equal than others." so saith the pig. That is a paraphrase from Orwell's "Animal Farm". The book is a good humorous look at the socialist mindset and the consequences of attempting a communist government. The Clinitons have certainly shown themselves to be pigs and pigs that are more equal than others.

WhoreMods -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 9:42:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech "Some animals are more equal than others." so saith the pig. That is a paraphrase from Orwell's "Animal Farm". The book is a good humorous look at the socialist mindset and the consequences of attempting a communist government. Actually, no: it's a hatchet job on Stalin's using communism as an excuse for autocratic government. Orwell wouldn't have written a book of that sort if he didn't feel such disgust at the way the Stalinists perverted what the soviet union had claimed to be about. Read some Soviet history and consider how the purges and exiles of Stalin's seizure of power might relate to some of the livestock in the book.

Lucylastic -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 9:52:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Hillary may be history, but her attitude is no different than President Trump when it comes to finger pointing at the other guy. What I find deplorable is that no matter who it is, they will excuse the behavior of members of their own party, while condemning the same behavior in others. If, they cannot own the failings of their own, what right do they have to judge others? Sorry, she hasn't been accused of assaulting anyone(unless you believe she is guilty of physically assaulting women(or men) Trump has. Her attitude isn't illegal, her attitude is her own. Trump has been accused of sexual assault. His attitude is to call his accusers liars on tv to say they are too ugly, or gold diggers, he has defamed most of them. BIG fucking difference. The attitude of melania, or marla or ivana or mrs moore, would be equivalent. But its not talk about partisan.

Lucylastic -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 9:58:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech "Some animals are more equal than others." so saith the pig. That is a paraphrase from Orwell's "Animal Farm". The book is a good humorous look at the socialist mindset and the consequences of attempting a communist government. Actually, no: it's a hatchet job on Stalin's using communism as an excuse for autocratic government. Orwell wouldn't have written a book of that sort if he didn't feel such disgust at the way the Stalinists perverted what the soviet union had claimed to be about. Read some Soviet history and consider how the purges and exiles of Stalin's seizure of power might relate to some of the livestock in the book. as opposed to tyranny that the right wing are encouraging.

WhoreMods -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:19:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech "Some animals are more equal than others." so saith the pig. That is a paraphrase from Orwell's "Animal Farm". The book is a good humorous look at the socialist mindset and the consequences of attempting a communist government. Actually, no: it's a hatchet job on Stalin's using communism as an excuse for autocratic government. Orwell wouldn't have written a book of that sort if he didn't feel such disgust at the way the Stalinists perverted what the soviet union had claimed to be about. Read some Soviet history and consider how the purges and exiles of Stalin's seizure of power might relate to some of the livestock in the book. as opposed to tyranny that the right wing are encouraging. That's a whole other issue: it's the blatant misrepresentation of stuff that Orwell made very clear was the point of the book that's the issue here. If Merctech wants to cite a book as a parody ridiculing the very idea of socialism, he should name one that is rather than misprisioning an anti-Stalinist text as an attack on socialism. It's not like there's none out there he could reference, after all.

Lucylastic -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:22:48 AM)
Hes entitled to his opinion, certainly not his own facts, so I agree with you.

heavyblinker -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:24:58 AM)
FFS... this is just another 'but Hillary'. She's absolutely right and I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise... unless they're an idiot, which probably applies here.

WhoreMods -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:31:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Hes entitled to his opinion, certainly not his own facts, so I agree with you. A lot of people seem to regard opinion and facts as being equally malleable, sadly. That's a big part of the problem in American politics at the moment.

Lucylastic -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:51:28 AM)
I wonder what would have happened had someone described bill as being "a man beyond reproach, and is the closest thing to a founding father that we have seen in our lifetimes".

WhoreMods -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:54:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I wonder what would have happened had someone described bill as being "a man beyond reproach, and is the closest thing to a founding father that we have seen in our lifetimes". I'd suspect tantrums and whining: possibly somebody might have soiled themselves and then started screaming as well...

DesideriScuri -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 10:59:19 AM)
Jeff, it's more of the same bullshit, but a different verse. We have the "they did it, so it's okay that we do" verse, and the "forget that we did the same thing in the past but it's bad now" verse. Both parties sing the same tunes. I doubt it's ever going to end.

Musicmystery -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 12:47:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Hillary may be history, but her attitude is no different than President Trump when it comes to finger pointing at the other guy. What I find deplorable is that no matter who it is, they will excuse the behavior of members of their own party, while condemning the same behavior in others. If, they cannot own the failings of their own, what right do they have to judge others? They are both despicable humans and horrible “leaders.” It’s a true pity that people followed the major parties’ lead like lemmings instead of turning to third party options in droves.

WhoreMods -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 2:28:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Hillary may be history, but her attitude is no different than President Trump when it comes to finger pointing at the other guy. What I find deplorable is that no matter who it is, they will excuse the behavior of members of their own party, while condemning the same behavior in others. If, they cannot own the failings of their own, what right do they have to judge others? They are both despicable humans and horrible “leaders.” It’s a true pity that people followed the major parties’ lead like lemmings instead of turning to third party options in droves. To be fair, a lot did refuse to vote for either, but the spacehopper picked up a load of people who wouldn't normally have voted for a republican candidate, didn't he? All of these alt.right sorts who (hilariously) were convinced that La Boheme Boy was less of a zionist stooge than Clinton or the other republican candidates. Weird situation when third party voters vote for the republican candidate while the republicans break lockstep...

DesideriScuri -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 3:48:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Hillary may be history, but her attitude is no different than President Trump when it comes to finger pointing at the other guy. What I find deplorable is that no matter who it is, they will excuse the behavior of members of their own party, while condemning the same behavior in others. If, they cannot own the failings of their own, what right do they have to judge others? Sorry, she hasn't been accused of assaulting anyone(unless you believe she is guilty of physically assaulting women(or men) Trump has. Her attitude isn't illegal, her attitude is her own. Trump has been accused of sexual assault. His attitude is to call his accusers liars on tv to say they are too ugly, or gold diggers, he has defamed most of them. BIG fucking difference. The attitude of melania, or marla or ivana or mrs moore, would be equivalent. But its not talk about partisan. You missed (or ignored) the part I bolded above. Jeff didn't equate Hillary's deflections to Trump's alleged sexual assaults. He equated Hillary's deflections to Trump's deflections.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Well, we already knew it, but she made it clear (11/19/2017 3:52:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods the spacehopper I've seen you call Trump that several times. I don't know the reference. Please explain.

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