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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/6/2017 5:22:54 PM   
Lucylastic


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Has anybody explained why paying your ISP more money for shittier service is a good thing yet? Doesn't look like it, but I might have missed something...


That premise only exists in your cartoonish delusions

evidence please???
Please show where this is NOT going to occur, Im sure you can.
If its only a cartoon delusion.
You, from your posts in this thread show you dont have the first clue about what is going to happen.

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/6/2017 8:20:31 PM   
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There is some thought that they discovered the destruction of net-neutrality and are funding that, or isn't that what you had in mind?

Actually in this whole Internet marketplace and for 20-30 years, private interests jumped on a govt. invention, now having skimmed billion$ off their regional monopolies, have enough weight and free $peech [sic] to attain the ultimate coup.

Deregulate so they can deny, slow down, manipulate, package and even censor what you get and how you get it. This could result in as I asked originally, either the greatest profit center of all time at least since Ma Bell (a legal federal monopoly) or like the acid of greed...dissolve it slowly into almost nothing.

Be prepared for Internet bills similar to phone bills w/long dist. Except all of that itemization on your bill won't be for calls. No, they will be charges for each website you visited and for just how long you were at them.

Because either you went outside your package or are such charges you agreed to when you signed that new deal. What they offered from your browsing habits is your deal, they already knew.

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 9:26:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dialup... a 90s business model.
A small company bought a large pipeline into the internet backbone. Then the small biz would set up a bank of modems on multiple phone lines and sell access to the internet to their retail customers. The big boys of telecom ignored the internet as it was "just a fad geek playground" and put their money into walled garden networks like AOL and CompuServe. Hmmm, walled network accounts started a steady decline as more and more people found their interests weren't located in the walled garden and a censored and limited gateway to the internet allowed by the walled garden networks didn't fit the need.
Anyone remember "Worldnet"? AT&T tried, belatedly, to become a dial-up ISP and failed due to overselling access and being unable to provide services contracted for.

Move to the 00s. People want to move to "broadband" internet as dialup is like sucking a triple thick milkshake through a single slim straw. Wonder of wonders, the big telecom companies OWN the last mile pipeline to the home for broadband. Upgrades to phone and cable lines to support internet access are clamored for by customers. But, there is very very slow response in upgrading lines to support this.

And in the 10s, the big telecom companies have actually taken over the internet backbone companies. No longer can a small business ever hope to buy a pipeline and do reselling. AT&T and Comcast have even taken to the courts to block municipalities from providing ISP services to citizens where there is no broadband service commercially available.

The next step is to get the "internet" removed from consideration as a public utility removing any local government say in how things are marketed.

Who owns the last mile pipeline? The real estate for the utility poles was taken from individual owners by immanent domain. The wire for phone lines was put in by a private company with a government subsidy. Cable company coaxial wire was put in back in the 70s to great fanfare and has paid for itself many times over in the decades following.

Does a telecom have the right to do as they please with the wire run in your town with you having no say in the matter? Or, do the residents of a town have a voice in how the wire is used in their town?

Is it a "utility" under the law or a proprietary delivery a service.
As the internet in the U.S. has become a de-facto duopoly; regulation as a utility seems very pertinent to me as there is no real ability to compete for any newcomer to the stage in most markets.

C-Spire fiber to home has some possibilities. But there are huge court issues with phone company and cable TV companies trying to block access to utility poles for stringing fiber.

I've come to the personal view that the benefit of the citizens will best be served if the internet is considered a utility and local government given a voice in how access is marketed in their jurisdiction. Like the monopolies of local phone service, gas pipelines, and electrical distribution; the internet needs to remain classified as a utility to provide oversight of the monopoly on the last mile connection to the internet.

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 9:29:28 AM   
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how unusual, that you missed the "clear" /sarcasm part


On planet bosco fantasy and reality are impossible to differentiate: expecting him to have to deal with irony as well is like hoping to see Stephen Hawking cutting a rug at a party...

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 9:38:10 AM   
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Dialup... a 90s business model.
A small company bought a large pipeline into the internet backbone. Then the small biz would set up a bank of modems on multiple phone lines and sell access to the internet to their retail customers. The big boys of telecom ignored the internet as it was "just a fad geek playground" and put their money into walled garden networks like AOL and CompuServe. Hmmm, walled network accounts started a steady decline as more and more people found their interests weren't located in the walled garden and a censored and limited gateway to the internet allowed by the walled garden networks didn't fit the need.
Anyone remember "Worldnet"? AT&T tried, belatedly, to become a dial-up ISP and failed due to overselling access and being unable to provide services contracted for.

Move to the 00s. People want to move to "broadband" internet as dialup is like sucking a triple thick milkshake through a single slim straw. Wonder of wonders, the big telecom companies OWN the last mile pipeline to the home for broadband. Upgrades to phone and cable lines to support internet access are clamored for by customers. But, there is very very slow response in upgrading lines to support this.

And in the 10s, the big telecom companies have actually taken over the internet backbone companies. No longer can a small business ever hope to buy a pipeline and do reselling. AT&T and Comcast have even taken to the courts to block municipalities from providing ISP services to citizens where there is no broadband service commercially available.

The next step is to get the "internet" removed from consideration as a public utility removing any local government say in how things are marketed.

Who owns the last mile pipeline? The real estate for the utility poles was taken from individual owners by immanent domain. The wire for phone lines was put in by a private company with a government subsidy. Cable company coaxial wire was put in back in the 70s to great fanfare and has paid for itself many times over in the decades following.

Does a telecom have the right to do as they please with the wire run in your town with you having no say in the matter? Or, do the residents of a town have a voice in how the wire is used in their town?

Is it a "utility" under the law or a proprietary delivery a service.
As the internet in the U.S. has become a de-facto duopoly; regulation as a utility seems very pertinent to me as there is no real ability to compete for any newcomer to the stage in most markets.

C-Spire fiber to home has some possibilities. But there are huge court issues with phone company and cable TV companies trying to block access to utility poles for stringing fiber.

I've come to the personal view that the benefit of the citizens will best be served if the internet is considered a utility and local government given a voice in how access is marketed in their jurisdiction. Like the monopolies of local phone service, gas pipelines, and electrical distribution; the internet needs to remain classified as a utility to provide oversight of the monopoly on the last mile connection to the internet.

T1's (the digital breakthrough) were selling like hotcakes back in the day.

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 9:40:10 AM   
Lucylastic


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how unusual, that you missed the "clear" /sarcasm part


On planet bosco fantasy and reality are impossible to differentiate: expecting him to have to deal with irony as well is like hoping to see Stephen Hawking cutting a rug at a party...

its not like I dint make myself clear,
he is such a muppet
I forgot irony...dammit.

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 9:57:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

how unusual, that you missed the "clear" /sarcasm part


On planet bosco fantasy and reality are impossible to differentiate: expecting him to have to deal with irony as well is like hoping to see Stephen Hawking cutting a rug at a party...

its not like I dint make myself clear,
he is such a muppet
I forgot irony...dammit.

Look at it this way: if somebody can't tell fact from fantasy in the first place, then expecting to find the fantasising of fact for comic purposes funny is expecting too much of them, even if they don't believe stuff dafter than the fallacy you've invented in order to sneer at similar beliefs through analogy...

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 10:00:23 AM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		I have imbibed nyquil, im feeling shitty and taking it out on the muppets, but I'm at the brain fogging state right now....I give up:)
think its time for a nap. its been a busy 24 hours.


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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 10:02:17 AM   
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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 1:57:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

how unusual, that you missed the "clear" /sarcasm part


On planet bosco fantasy and reality are impossible to differentiate: expecting him to have to deal with irony as well is like hoping to see Stephen Hawking cutting a rug at a party...

its not like I dint make myself clear,
he is such a muppet
I forgot irony...dammit.

Look at it this way: if somebody can't tell fact from fantasy in the first place, then expecting to find the fantasising of fact for comic purposes funny is expecting too much of them, even if they don't believe stuff dafter than the fallacy you've invented in order to sneer at similar beliefs through analogy...

Pretty funny, I've actually met people like this, mostly in right wing dominated Va. early in my adult life. I got a few blank stares, trying to understand and when they don't, quickly think to re-write history to form a rebuttal.

Most of course were...not quick enough.

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RE: Net neutrality - end or explosion of...the Internet ? - 12/7/2017 2:02:37 PM   
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I have imbibed nyquil, im feeling shitty and taking it out on the muppets, but I'm at the brain fogging state right now....I give up:)
think its time for a nap. its been a busy 24 hours.


.....and I used to like Nyquil but it doesn't work anymore. I think I built up a tolerance.

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