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PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 3:28:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer True, yes, Vox. You got me there. Though - reporting the findings of UC-Berkeley Professor of Political Science M. Steven Fish. And why would I want to count 'terrorist attacks' rather than murders? Frankly, the important thing for me is not to get murderered. I won't be interested in why someone's murdered me after I'm dead. Yet, I seem to remember you, being in support of "hate crimes" legislation? Well, you might not care, but some of us care about Islamic Extremism and how it relates to those dead bodies that are piling up? Maybe this will help: You know, sometimes they do *still* use guns to execute their terrorist attacks, just look at the attack, over the weekend. Guns are still bad, right? I can't recall ever commenting on hate crimes legislation. If I did, I'd have been cautious, because that's a subject fraught with problems. Obviously I do care about Islamic extremism, which is why I've tried to work out why and how it comes into existence. But I just do not get this assumption RWNJs have that all one needs need to do is jab one's finger furiously at this or that page in the Koran, or the Hadith or the Sira, and say 'Look, look - this is why Muslim terrorists are as they are and do what they do!' It takes no account of political, economic, cultural, psychological - etc, etc, etc - factors. And of course - the bleeding obvious - it doesn't explain why most Muslims aren't terrorists. Or even good honest murderers, like Christian murderers are. It's a nonsense.

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 4:36:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer "Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide." https://www.vox.com/2015/1/30/7951309/islam-violence Yes! Vox! That glorious purveyor of truth! That to the side, maybe you might want to try "Terrorist Attacks" as opposed to "Murders"? I know, in this country, they aren't counted the same way. In Muslim countries where all are slaves to Allah (or else), as all non-Muslims were long ago done away with by force. Sounds heavenly, to morons like little piss boy. How much would he really enjoy living under Islamist rule in the blissful sort of peace that he describes Where if his sister is caught holding hands outside of marriage or showing too much flesh or having a sip of wine she is whipped nearly to death Where if he questions Mohammad's wisdom he may well find himself beheaded (But there is no violence there)

PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 4:42:52 AM)
Thank you for your contribution to this discussion, Bosco.

bounty44 -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 4:50:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer "Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide." https://www.vox.com/2015/1/30/7951309/islam-violence I corrected that myth in another thread. why is it still being trotted out? that's pure academic dissembling. quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate shows murder rates all over the map with plenty of predominantly "muslim" countries far ahead of western nations in terms of murder rate.

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 4:53:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer "Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide." https://www.vox.com/2015/1/30/7951309/islam-violence I corrected that myth in another thread. why is it still being trotted out? that's pure academic dissembling. quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate shows murder rates all over the map with plenty of predominantly "muslim" countries far ahead of western nations in terms of murder rate. VOX is pure propaganda Any thinking person knows that with a mere casual glance at the site

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 4:55:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Thank you for your contribution to this discussion, Bosco. Tell us how so many predominantly Muslim countries went from no Muslims to 99% Muslim (=/-) in the course of around 1000 years, if Muslims are really so peaceful Where did all of the people who originally lived in those places go. What happened to them Let's see you explain it, since you claim to know so much about Islamic societies and how peaceful Muslims are

bounty44 -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 4:59:13 AM)
sure, but when person A says "the sky is yellow" and person B comes along and shows that it is indeed blue, its intellectually disconcerting when two weeks later person A is still putting forth that the sky is yellow. i'll grant there is some nuance involved but that's the gist of it.

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 5:10:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 sure, but when person A says "the sky is yellow" and person B comes along and shows that it is indeed blue, its intellectually disconcerting when two weeks later person A is still putting forth that the sky is yellow. i'll grant there is some nuance involved but that's the gist of it. Could it be that person A lives in a world of cartoonish delusions

PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 5:28:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer "Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide." https://www.vox.com/2015/1/30/7951309/islam-violence I corrected that myth in another thread. why is it still being trotted out? that's pure academic dissembling. quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate shows murder rates all over the map with plenty of predominantly "muslim" countries far ahead of western nations in terms of murder rate. You didn't correct it, bounty. You posted a link that didn't explain what you thought it explained. When I pulled you up on it, you didn't bother to answer because, clearly, all you'd done was look at the list and make a vague guess as to which countries were mainly Muslim or not. Top of the list was a Burundi, which is 80-90% Christian. The next two countries, Comoros and Djibouti, are so tiny that nobody here has heard of them. Are you seriously going to compare countries like that with, for instance, the USA?

PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 5:37:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Could it be that person A lives in a world of cartoonish delusions Superb! Bosco, now come on. Have you never heard of pots and kettles?

MasterDrakk -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 5:51:41 AM)
The clear information here is; non-secular countries are far more peaceful and prosperous than secular countries.

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 5:54:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Could it be that person A lives in a world of cartoonish delusions Superb! Bosco, now come on. Have you never heard of pots and kettles? You are the one who cannot for the life of you answer a simple, direct question If it doesn't fit in neatly into your little cartoon world then (in your insanity) you totally ignore it

PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 5:55:53 AM)
quote: Tell us how so many predominantly Muslim countries went from no Muslims to 99% Muslim (=/-) in the course of around 1000 years, if Muslims are really so peaceful Where did all of the people who originally lived in those places go. What happened to them Let's see you explain it, since you claim to know so much about Islamic societies and how peaceful Muslims are What the hell ... I'll answer this, migraine-inducingly cretinous though it is: Minority religions in most countries have traditionally been persecuted. At best, the people who subscribe to those minority religions don't tend to flourish (though there are well-known exceptions). So they leave, or die out, or are even killed. That's happened in mainly Muslim countries and has happened in mainly Christian countries. Secondly - and here we're well into strawman territory - I've never talked about how Muslims are more peaceful because they're Muslim. That doesn't make sense. As I said before, it's useless to talk about a religion determining how people are and how they're going to act. It's a nonsense. It's devoid of any understanding of how so many other factors work - or even that they exist. The thing is, Bosco - the reason I can't respect your views on this is because at some level I strongly suspect you know this stuff. So, I have to ask myself: what do you want to achieve by suppressing the knowledge? The possible answers don't come back good ....

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:03:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Tell us how so many predominantly Muslim countries went from no Muslims to 99% Muslim (=/-) in the course of around 1000 years, if Muslims are really so peaceful Where did all of the people who originally lived in those places go. What happened to them Let's see you explain it, since you claim to know so much about Islamic societies and how peaceful Muslims are What the hell ... I'll answer this, migraine-inducingly cretinous though it is: Minority religions in most countries have traditionally been persecuted. At best, the people who subscribe to those minority religions don't tend to flourish (though there are well-known exceptions). So they leave, or die out, or are even killed. That's happened in mainly Muslim countries and has happened in mainly Christian countries. Secondly - and here we're well into strawman territory - I've never talked about how Muslims are more peaceful because they're Muslim. That doesn't make sense. As I said before, it's useless to talk about a religion determining how people are and how they're going to act. It's a nonsense. It's devoid of any understanding of how so many other factors work - or even that they exist. The thing is, Bosco - the reason I can't respect your views on this is because at some level I strongly suspect you know this stuff. Doesn't really explain how all of these places went from zero to 99% Muslim in such a short period of time. You are still deliberately ignoring how extremely violent that cult is, while at the same time deflecting by claiming that all religions are as violent as that cult It is a habit of leftists to claim that Muslims are exactly like medieval Christians, as if that is a good thing. And no, Christian countries, whatever that fictional thing is (Christian nations do not exist), are not 99% Christian People caught with Korans are not persecuted. Buddhists, Jews, Hindus and everyone else is free to practice whatever belief they like. Worship Satan if that's your thing. Drink up, smoke that ganja mon. Go to your kink fair, enjoy For you to howl that Muslims are just like everyone else once again underscores the insanity that is "liberalism"

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:10:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer A, please. How many times have I warned you about actually learning something on a subject before posting on it? You either cannot, or will not, see that your view is based in religious determinism. Thus, for you and your fellow looneybin-righties, everything about what all Muslims are, and do, can be determined by what's in their religious texts. Do you really have no inkling as to why that might just the teensiest bit fallacious? "Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries. The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country's murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide." https://www.vox.com/2015/1/30/7951309/islam-violence Here is where you tried to claim that Muslim countries are nonviolent btw Can't keep your propaganda straight? Try switching to reality.

PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:17:47 AM)
quote: You are still deliberately ignoring how extremely violent that cult is, while at the same time deflecting by claiming that all religions are as violent as that cult But it isn't violent. Some of its adherents are. And per the figures I've cited above, 'Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries'. It's 5 per 100, 000 in the USA - Maybe you might want to clear up your own backyard and any supposed death cults there, first?

MasterDrakk -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:19:06 AM)
But he didnt say that you demented howler. Yet there are many sources that put muslim countries at lower ratios per 100k than say..................the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people depending on the year it varies, but the US is generally out in front of the muslim countries.

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:21:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: You are still deliberately ignoring how extremely violent that cult is, while at the same time deflecting by claiming that all religions are as violent as that cult But it isn't violent. Some of its adherents are. And per the figures I've cited above, 'Predominantly, Muslim countries average 2.4 murders per annum per 100,000 people, compared to 7.5 in non-Muslim countries'. It's 5 per 100, 000 in the USA - Maybe you might want to clear up your own backyard and any supposed death cults there, first? "Some" adherents. Say... 10% - 50% (or more) fanatically believe in mass murder in Allah's name, according to the demands of the Koran. That's all. And you claim "in predominantly Muslim countries" where literally everyone is Muslim Let's suppose for arguments sake, that a country is half Jew and half Muslim. What would you predict Muslim violence would be like there

PeonForHer -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:23:34 AM)
.... Oh, and, before I leave this subject and before my it grinds my head too much: What, exactly, stops the majority of Muslims from being violent? How can it happen that they're not violent, adherents to such as death cult, as they are?

BoscoX -> RE: The Wrong Kind Of Muslims (11/27/2017 6:25:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer .... Oh, and, before I leave this subject and before my it grinds my head too much: What, exactly, stops the majority of Muslims from being violent? How can it happen that they're not violent, adherents to such as death cult, as they are? Overwhelming force, for the most part. Secondarily, over time there are peaceful Islamic regimes, sure. But eventually an ISIS arises, an Iran arises... And you have literally blood running down the streets Exactly as the Koran demands How many violent Islamic groups are there world-wide right now? Hundreds? Thousands? Care to hazard a guess?

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