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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 5:26:32 AM   
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I'm all for funding abortions and by the way, I don't know how much it cost over there, but over here, it's like 250 to 300 bux.
Even teenagers on parental support for allowances can afford an abortion. It doesn't cost much.

But I see the big problem here.

GOP needs to have new legislation that Planned Parenthood can use the funds for all women health issues except Abortion.

Problem solved.

And on top of that, give free birth control injections. The most effective way to stop abortions is to spend money making sure birth control is FREE for all women!



Our federal laws already prevent taxpayer moneys from funding abortions. But Planned Parenthood has been viciously attacked by the right to continue stirring controversy, rather pointlessly.

Giving free birth control isn't going to happen. Hobby Lobby won their case to deny employees' insurance plans from covering birth control because of the company's religious beliefs.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 5:34:15 AM   
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forced birth propaganda snipped



Defunding planned parenthood is not the only way repubs have attacked womens healthcare, as I keep saying, but your distraction moves on, under your own delusions.

PS your last line, what is "real choices" for women?

Your mention of south carolina sent me looking.
maternal deaths in south carolina are one of the highest in the US
https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/2016-health-of-women-and-children-report/measure/maternal_mortality/state/SC

other high mortality states are
texas
Louisiana
Georgia
Arkansas
Missouri
Indiana
Mississippi
New Jersey.

thats life affirming alright
*sarcasm*

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 5:36:26 AM   
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I'm all for funding abortions and by the way, I don't know how much it cost over there, but over here, it's like 250 to 300 bux.
Even teenagers on parental support for allowances can afford an abortion. It doesn't cost much.

But I see the big problem here.

GOP needs to have new legislation that Planned Parenthood can use the funds for all women health issues except Abortion.

Problem solved.

And on top of that, give free birth control injections. The most effective way to stop abortions is to spend money making sure birth control is FREE for all women!



Our federal laws already prevent taxpayer moneys from funding abortions. But Planned Parenthood has been viciously attacked by the right to continue stirring controversy, rather pointlessly.

Giving free birth control isn't going to happen. Hobby Lobby won their case to deny employees' insurance plans from covering birth control because of the company's religious beliefs.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/trump-rolls-back-obamacares-contraception-rule-243537
Trump rolls back Obamacare birth control mandate
The new policy reignites the battle over one of the health care law's most controversial provisions.
The new policies, which take effect immediately, reignite a fierce battle over one of the health care law's most controversial provisions and quickly drew legal challenges. The requirement to provide FDA-approved contraception at no cost was long opposed by religious groups that heavily favored Trump, and has been wrapped up in litigation for more than five years.

"The United States has a long history of providing conscience protections in the regulation of health care for entities and individuals with objections based on religious beliefs or moral convictions," the administration wrote in new rules.

The American Civil Liberties Union said it will file a lawsuit on Friday to block the long-anticipated rules from the Trump administration, and California Attorney General Xavier Becerra also announced plans to sue. Women's health groups for months have been preparing lawsuits against the new policies, which they say will enable employers to deny their workers access to needed care.

The Trump administration said it was acting to protect individuals and groups from being forced to violate their religious beliefs as it downplayed concerns that more women would struggle to afford birth control.


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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 5:44:34 AM   
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Womens health covers more than abortion, you ignorant dickhole.


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When the answers to a debate argument are:

"You're fat"
"Your clothes suck"
"You're stupid"
"You're a racist"
"Your skin is orange"

The person making such ground-breaking statements has already conceded.





oh thats very true, so very very true



Reduced to name-calling, again. Poor girl.




DS, your initial comment in this thread was to say women's health is the new code for abortion rights. That's a lie. Women do have other body parts, but the female pipes require more medical attention than a male's. There's even different OneADay multivitamins for men & women.

So to claim that women's health is solely about abortion gets you the contempt you deserve.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 5:46:20 AM   
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DS, your initial comment in this thread was to say women's health is the new code for abortion rights. That's a lie. Women do have other body parts, but the female pipes require more medical attention than a male's. There's even different OneADay multivitamins for men & women.

So to claim that women's health is solely about abortion gets you the contempt you deserve.


It's a pig whistle, exactly as DS stated.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 5:49:36 AM   
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I'm all for funding abortions and by the way, I don't know how much it cost over there, but over here, it's like 250 to 300 bux.
Even teenagers on parental support for allowances can afford an abortion. It doesn't cost much.

But I see the big problem here.

GOP needs to have new legislation that Planned Parenthood can use the funds for all women health issues except Abortion.

Problem solved.

And on top of that, give free birth control injections. The most effective way to stop abortions is to spend money making sure birth control is FREE for all women!



Our federal laws already prevent taxpayer moneys from funding abortions. But Planned Parenthood has been viciously attacked by the right to continue stirring controversy, rather pointlessly.

Giving free birth control isn't going to happen. Hobby Lobby won their case to deny employees' insurance plans from covering birth control because of the company's religious beliefs.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/trump-rolls-back-obamacares-contraception-rule-243537
Trump rolls back Obamacare birth control mandate
The new policy reignites the battle over one of the health care law's most controversial provisions.
The new policies, which take effect immediately, reignite a fierce battle over one of the health care law's most controversial provisions and quickly drew legal challenges. The requirement to provide FDA-approved contraception at no cost was long opposed by religious groups that heavily favored Trump, and has been wrapped up in litigation for more than five years.

"The United States has a long history of providing conscience protections in the regulation of health care for entities and individuals with objections based on religious beliefs or moral convictions," the administration wrote in new rules.

The American Civil Liberties Union said it will file a lawsuit on Friday to block the long-anticipated rules from the Trump administration, and California Attorney General Xavier Becerra also announced plans to sue. Women's health groups for months have been preparing lawsuits against the new policies, which they say will enable employers to deny their workers access to needed care.

The Trump administration said it was acting to protect individuals and groups from being forced to violate their religious beliefs as it downplayed concerns that more women would struggle to afford birth control.



And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 6:01:27 AM   
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And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.


Including communists / atheists, who demand that their government god use my tax dollars to further their religious zealotry to the point of mass slaughter

As always, with minority babies hit hardest

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 6:04:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Over here our insurance do not cover birth control or abortion, and there is like no arguments or debate about it at all.

Neither do the government fund birth control or abortion.

Infact getting birth control from government clinics is so absolutely ridiculous, with the doctors scare-mongering you that, it is bad for you. Plus, they can only sell you one month supply each time as it's a dangerous product with loads of side effects, so you need to keep coming back to get checked.

But it's like one of those issues most people don't care about at all, as birth control is cheap. And so is abortion. I think government clinic birth control pills per month is just 2bux.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 6:15:01 AM   
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And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.


Including communists / atheists, who demand that their government god use my tax dollars to further their religious zealotry to the point of mass slaughter

As always, with minority babies hit hardest


ive made the point before, at least once if not twice, there are such things as pro-life atheists.

Pro-Life Atheists
Secular Pro-Life
Pro-Life Humanists
Pro-Life Pagans

that said, recognizing that killing a baby is murder is not a "religious belief."

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 6:16:34 AM   
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And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.


Including communists / atheists, who demand that their government god use my tax dollars to further their religious zealotry to the point of mass slaughter

As always, with minority babies hit hardest

People who consider their right to say where their taxes go is more important than forcing a woman to give birth, is the mosts ignorant of all reasons.
Education, access to birth control and healthcare stops more abortion and maternal mortality than anything else.
If minority babies are hit hardest, are the women getting pregnant on purpose by the hordes?
who is directing them?
the left? soros?
gasp
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014

Many abortion patients reported a religious affiliation—24% were Catholic, 17% were mainline Protestant, 13% were evangelical Protestant and 8% identified with some other religion. Thirty-eight percent of patients had no religious affiliation.

No racial or ethnic group made up the majority of abortion patients: Thirty-nine percent were white, 28% were black, 25% were Hispanic, 6% were Asian or Pacific Islander, and 3% were of some other race or ethnicity.


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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 6:43:47 AM   
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And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.


Including communists / atheists, who demand that their government god use my tax dollars to further their religious zealotry to the point of mass slaughter

As always, with minority babies hit hardest

People who consider their right to say where their taxes go is more important than forcing a woman to give birth, is the mosts ignorant of all reasons.
Education, access to birth control and healthcare stops more abortion and maternal mortality than anything else.
If minority babies are hit hardest, are the women getting pregnant on purpose by the hordes?
who is directing them?
the left? soros?
gasp
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014

Many abortion patients reported a religious affiliation—24% were Catholic, 17% were mainline Protestant, 13% were evangelical Protestant and 8% identified with some other religion. Thirty-eight percent of patients had no religious affiliation.

No racial or ethnic group made up the majority of abortion patients: Thirty-nine percent were white, 28% were black, 25% were Hispanic, 6% were Asian or Pacific Islander, and 3% were of some other race or ethnicity.


The whole "I don't want to see my taxes paying for murdered babies/skanks taking the pill/niggers getting free money/etc" thing is interestingly one sided as you really hear about "leftists" trying to pass off tax evasion as a moral act by bitching about funding the wastes of federal money they find distasteful themselves.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 8:56:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.


Including communists / atheists, who demand that their government god use my tax dollars to further their religious zealotry to the point of mass slaughter

As always, with minority babies hit hardest


ive made the point before, at least once if not twice, there are such things as pro-life atheists.

Pro-Life Atheists
Secular Pro-Life
Pro-Life Humanists
Pro-Life Pagans

that said, recognizing that killing a baby is murder is not a "religious belief."

.....but a legal right, correct ?

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 10:43:00 AM   
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Womens health covers more than abortion, you ignorant dickhole.


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When the answers to a debate argument are:

"You're fat"
"Your clothes suck"
"You're stupid"
"You're a racist"
"Your skin is orange"

The person making such ground-breaking statements has already conceded.





oh thats very true, so very very true



Reduced to name-calling, again. Poor girl.





I agreed with you, its very true, it is the point at which the topic becomes a clusterfuck.
Im no more innocent than you, but then again, I dont claim otherwise.
Just to point out your hypocrisy back at you...glass , stones. pot, kettle.
Hmmm the original post has been culled, but I point you to this response,
mods forgot to remove it
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5086196
And no I didnt report the original post where you lost the argument and any credibilty.
quit trying to be clever

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 10:46:13 AM   
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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 12:14:12 PM   
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So sayeth "Christian" Sharia Law.

Let's just use the whole Constitution except for amendment #2 for toilet paper while we're at it and establish a Catholic theocracy.


You are a moron. Etc.


Shut up and go sit in your room, boy.

The adults will let you come out when the discussion is finished.

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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 12:20:08 PM   
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And this is the problem. Nobody else's religion should interfere with a woman's health decisions. Not even her husband's or father's. Religious beliefs should have no impact on medical care whatsoever.


Including communists / atheists, who demand that their government god use my tax dollars to further their religious zealotry to the point of mass slaughter

As always, with minority babies hit hardest


If you gave a shit at all about "minority babies" then you would quit voting for asswipes who pass laws to make "mininority" parents' lives so insufferable.

Raising minimum wage to $10 right now would eliminate lots of abortions, did you know that?

Of course not.

Breitbart radio or townhall never tell you that, do they?

Of course not!

Eliminating Reagan's and Bush's heat-seeking missiles against black teens; guess what happens if we back off on that?

Less abortions?

Good guess!



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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 1:01:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's some news people DON'T want to hear;

When you completely fuck with people from the time they are born, they grow up and they learn what happened, and they can't wait to have babies and get on every government program they can find, just to fuck you right back!

The only way to break the cycle is free education. We had something close to that at one time for "welfare mothers," but Newt Gingrich cut it off.

So that's why the poor are saying "fuck you right back! Massa!" "Here's what you gotta pay for NOW! bitch-ass!"





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RE: You want Pence ? You're getting him now. - 11/29/2017 1:17:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course, it is in the nature of natural-born assholes to do everything they can to create more poor people, so as to have something to bitch about, a la 'too much welfare!' etc.

Just as it is to have 'policies' which create a flood of immigrants. Again, so they have something more to cry and weep about. "Too manny immigrants! Ah!"

Just shut your face.

If you don't like poor people, quit electing the asswipes who create more of them.

If you don't like immigrants, quit electing the assholes who create more of them.

Simple as that.

In the meantime, just STFU.




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