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The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 12:48:41 AM   
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The Fourth Reich
By Michael The Libertarian


Emily Lindin. What a wonderfully anti-American person she must be, based upon a recent tweets of hers. I'm not sure about the order in which they originally appeared, but here they are (transcribed by your humble author):

Here’s an unpopular opinion: I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.

And:

The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth + the impact on victims FAR outweigh the loss of any one man’s reputation. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.

Well, there's a lot to digest, there. There's nothing I can really defend. I try to do that, as often as I can, but I'm not seeing it. Let's take that first one: She's not concerned (AT ALL) about innocent men losing their jobs or reputations over false allegations.

How could any American with two brain cells to rub together defend that? Then, there's: If some innocent men's reputations take a hit ... that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.

Well, isn't that magnanimous of her? She's willing to pay that price. Of course, the glaring fault in her logic is that it wouldn't be her – or any other woman – paying any “price”, but let's stay with the women, shall we?

What about the mothers, wives, daughters and grand-daughters of those innocent men? Is there any chance those ladies might be affected?

Let's dig a bit further than that, shall we? It has long been a tenet of American criminal law that it is better that ten guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly convicted.

Did you see what I did there? I slipped into the legal realm. Let's stick with reputations and the non-legal realm.

She's okay with damaged reputations, lost jobs, families possibly becoming destitute … All for what she considers “undoing the patriarchy”. I'll save the low-down on wage inequality for another day (when I'm really bored and willing to do other peoples' research for them), but let's talk about her particular brand of feminism.

Unfortunately, it has become the main-stream brand of feminism. The movement is no longer interested in equality. They're interested in deposing the “abusers” and becoming the new abusers. It's not about fairness and equality. It's about reversing roles and continuing the abuse, just with a different target.

Of course, that assumes that men are a different target. They've been targets (at least the fat, old, white ones) for many years, now. The “allowable” butt of most jokes, and targets of political insults that are thoroughly excoriated and unprotected, by the defenders of “equality”. This is what the movement has become; misandry.

When I was very young (five-years-old or so), my baby-sitter (Debbie W., if she's out there!) used to take me to N.O.W. rallies. I doubt that I was indoctrinated, but maybe so. Be that as it may, when I was older (about 12), I agreed with some of their positions. I believed that there was some work to be done. I believed that women held very few positions of power, but I also believe that we've changed in a very negative way to try to change those things.

When I was growing up in New York, there was a rule that NYPD officers had to be 5' 10” tall. There was a reason for that. It was so they would present a somewhat intimidating figure and reduce the need to go to the billy club or (God forbid!) the gun.

Eventually, that standard was erased and ladies now serve as police officers. They don't quite cut the same figure as the 5' 10” officers did. My belief is it has been to the detriment of the NYPD. I have no figures since it would be impossible to believe the dirt bags, even if they did say they were “cowed” by the arresting (female) officer. Somehow, I just doubt it.

In the military, women rarely served outside of clerical, medical or legal capacities. I remember President Carter, ordering the military to expand the role of women in the military. Almost immediately, the question went out about women in combat. The very first group to denounce that idea was … drum roll, please … N.O.W. That's right, those champions of equality argued against it, back in 1976!

Through the years, that opinion has been eroded to the point where women now serve in combat positions and that's a good thing. However, the way it's been accomplished is by lowering the physical standards for women in the military. Later, the standards were also reduced for males, in an attempt to promote parity. That is not good vís-à-vís combat ability and troop readiness.

Here's the real nail in the coffin for the misandrists, currently “leading” the equality movement, which I believe is a misnomer, obviously. It's why I refer to women like Ms. Lindin as “Feminazi.”:

Why is it that eighteen-year-old males are required to sign up for Selective Service (“The Draft” for those of you in Poughkeepsie), but eighteen-year-old females aren't? That seems awfully incongruous to me.

Duplicity? Well, by my definition, yes, but it has become the new standard for most “main stream” feminists.

Where's the equality?

An interesting side note: as I was typing this, the words “misandry” and “misandrist” came up as misspelled words on this word processing program. The program didn't recognize them as even being words, almost as if those people/conditions don't exist.

I detest repeating myself, but I will: Where's the equality? You'd better believe “misogyny” is recognized (I checked).


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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 5:55:07 AM   
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i had an interaction with a female grad school colleague of mine who responded in a similar, actually even more aggressive fashion when it came to title IX and the harm that was befalling male athletes. she was not only okay with it, she seemed to have a sense of "payback" about her.

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:02:06 AM   
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quote:

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Here’s an unpopular opinion: I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.
And:
The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth + the impact on victims FAR outweigh the loss of any one man’s reputation. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.


Yup. A price "she's" willing to pay. Love how people are more than happy for someone else to pay a price.


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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:05:38 AM   
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its really easy to pick on the woman, but she ultimately has to be talking about a "societal price" not one she necessarily bears individually.

so then the question becomes, what are the societal prices?

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:14:21 AM   
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Yup. A price "she's" willing to pay. Love how people are more than happy for someone else to pay a price.

Hardly an exclusively left wing attitude, that: the only time some libertarians ever shut up about how there's NSTAAFL is to stick someone else with the bill for their lunch, and a lot of the rest of the right are even worse for that one.

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:25:33 AM   
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Yup. A price "she's" willing to pay. Love how people are more than happy for someone else to pay a price.

Hardly an exclusively left wing attitude, that: the only time some libertarians ever shut up about how there's NSTAAFL is to stick someone else with the bill for their lunch, and a lot of the rest of the right are even worse for that one.


Please point out where I said anything about any party or political preference



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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:28:02 AM   
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its really easy to pick on the woman, but she ultimately has to be talking about a "societal price" not one she necessarily bears individually.
so then the question becomes, what are the societal prices?


Again, it's not a price she's going to have to pay. It's a price that will be borne by men alone, unless you are trying to get at a degradation of society even more than what ridding the Bible has done to schools, or whatever. In the end she won't be the one paying it.


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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:36:04 AM   
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and again, she is not talking about herself strictly, she's talking about herself in terms of representing society.

its some variant of "if x occurs to some men, then y occurs for all women, and its worth the price"

and yes, your bible example is exactly it. whoever sued the state in order to have had it removed would have/could have said something similar.

what would be interesting would be to go back now to that original person, make the case for what actually has occurred by removing the bible (the price) and ask "was it worth it?"

so also again, the question is, what are the societal prices, and by extension, gains.



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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:36:09 AM   
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Yup. A price "she's" willing to pay. Love how people are more than happy for someone else to pay a price.

Hardly an exclusively left wing attitude, that: the only time some libertarians ever shut up about how there's NSTAAFL is to stick someone else with the bill for their lunch, and a lot of the rest of the right are even worse for that one.


Please point out where I said anything about any party or political preference



Where did I say that you did?

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 6:57:13 AM   
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its really easy to pick on the woman, but she ultimately has to be talking about a "societal price" not one she necessarily bears individually.

so then the question becomes, what are the societal prices?



Well, as I said: by her estimation, toppling the patriarchy is worth screwing over innocent men. So, "societal" gains would be somewhat minimal.

I mentioned the female family members of the ruined, innocent men. Let's go deeper than that, though.

Society would have to employ a major shift and be "okay" with people who've done nothing wrong being made to pay the price for the sins of others. What I think is pretty short-sighted on her part is that one would think any male support she'd get would come from those innocent men (non members of the patriarchy). If her movement grinds innocent men under heel, how many supporters will be lost for each innocent, given up for sacrifice upon the altar of hubris this bint wishes to erect?



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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 7:10:49 AM   
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whenever I hear the word "bint" im reminded of my favorite scene from holy grail, where the peasant in the mud is lecturing Arthur on the legitimate basis of government.

"If I went round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!"

I think your point about losing support is a good one and I agree with your earlier point about ten guilty going free as opposed to locking up one innocent.

what I see her saying is analogous to innocent people being killed in war. its not desirable, but its a inevitable outcome in battle and one that must be borne.

I suspect what she must be thinking is, that false accusations will do at least two things, one is, spur more legitimate accusations to occur, and the other, make men much more mindful as to how they treat women.

what she's weighing, im going to exaggerate a bit for effect is---five men with ruined reputations vs 100 subsequent women who are sexually harassed that wouldn't have otherwise occurred, and/or that nothing will be done about.

on another hand, if she is arguing specifically for lying to occur as a tactic, for the sole purpose of "defeating the patriarchy", that's another story.



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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 7:21:43 AM   
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whenever I hear the word "bint" im reminded of my favorite scene from holy grail, where the peasant in the mud is lecturing Arthur on the legitimate basis of government.

"If I went round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!"

I think your point about losing support is a good one and I agree with your earlier point about ten guilty going free as opposed to locking up one innocent.

what I see her saying is analogous to innocent people being killed in war. its not desirable, but its a inevitable outcome in battle and one that must be borne.

I suspect what she must be thinking is, that false accusations will do at least two things, one is, spur more legitimate accusations to occur, and the other, make men much more mindful as to how they treat women.

what she's weighing, im going to exaggerate a bit for effect is---five men with ruined reputations vs 100 subsequent women who are sexually harassed that wouldn't have otherwise occurred, and/or that nothing will be done about.



I prefer to let her words speak for themselves until she wants to explain them.

That said, she locked down her Twitter account so that only followers (all 26k) could see what she's tweeted or tweet back at her.

Anyway, I find her to be an ignominious cunt, worthy of derision. It sounds like you're looking to defend her and that's okay, but as a friend, I have to tell you: I think you're on the wrong side of this one.

To not even acknowledge the "Andrea Dworkin Wing" of the "women's rights" movement is to deny history. The problem I see is the whacked-out position is becoming the main-stream and that isn't going to help gain them any support amongst the "great unwashed". In fact, as with many things we're seeing lately, I think it's going to cause a huge backlash that will set the movement back, a decade or two.

Maybe that's "the price they pay" for scoring cheap political points, now?



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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 7:41:42 AM   
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i actually don't agree with her, and I wouldn't say im defending her, im rather just trying to articulate her position.

and I agree, her position isn't going to sit well, and would ultimately be counter-effective with a great number of people.

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 7:48:03 AM   
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its like supporting a pedophile for the senate. advancing an agenda breaks some eggs. shocking, and no hypocrisy obvs.

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 8:01:33 AM   
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i actually don't agree with her, and I wouldn't say im defending her, im rather just trying to articulate her position.

and I agree, her position isn't going to sit well, and would ultimately be counter-effective with a great number of people.



I don't think a great number of people even know of her or if they did would pay attention to her... All we can be glad of is she is not running for the senate in Alabama. She is simply a young Rush Limbaugh wantabe that thinks taking outlandish positions will get her notoriety. She is not worth the print expended in this thread.

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 9:13:31 AM   
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and again, she is not talking about herself strictly, she's talking about herself in terms of representing society.

its some variant of "if x occurs to some men, then y occurs for all women, and its worth the price"

and yes, your bible example is exactly it. whoever sued the state in order to have had it removed would have/could have said something similar.

what would be interesting would be to go back now to that original person, make the case for what actually has occurred by removing the bible (the price) and ask "was it worth it?"

so also again, the question is, what are the societal prices, and by extension, gains.




I went to HS in Va. where I and don't know of anybody, whoever saw let alone read any bible. Don't see how the bible figures into this anyway since it is not a source for legislation.

Besides, the teachers would have to be trained on just what to cherry pick out of the bible, there being so much death and reprisal in it...not to mention slavery.

Don't know exactly how the 'Forth Reich' fits into this. If the 4th Reich is coming to be America, then feminism will take a back seat to most everything else.

Says though here, I am a libertarian: HERE

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 9:38:29 AM   
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Don't know exactly how the 'Forth Reich' fits into this. If the 4th Reich is coming to be America, then feminism will take a back seat to most everything else.



Well, let me help you out since I wrote it.

You're looking for a connection between modern-day feminism and the third reich? That's easy.

Hitler came to power by convincing a good portion of the German people that Jews (and the Versailles agreement) were the evil menace behind all of Germany's failings. He painted the German people as victims. Once he rose to power, his solution (at first) was to remove any and all power from the Jews including taking their businesses away from them. He assaulted and impugned their reputation, as a people (He'd get to killing them, later on).

Then, we have the N.A.G. (National Association of Gals)/N.O.W. crowd that has painted women as some kind of victim. I guess an argument could be made for that, in the past, but it's hardly legitimate, today.

Now, they're not only calling for equality, but (as I made the point in my original post) they are wanting to be the new abusers. So, a correlation between 1933 Germany and the FemiNazis does indeed exist.





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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 11:05:40 AM   
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only in your head
Its actually quite telling that no one has expended any time on this board denying that false accusations are anything but disgusting.
Have you *generic you* been accused of rape? have you*generic you* had your life destroyed by public, legal accusations of rape?
how many have had a successful rape charge go through, how many people are arrested for false allegations against anyone for anything?
How many men have been arrested for false accusations here, how many women have?
How many men here have been sexually assaulted,
How many women have,
How many have lied?
men or women?
I did wonder how long it would take the feminazi thing to be mentioned,
But you make a blog post and post it here as "your truth" only
need readers? you didnt disappoint beyond normality..

A chick...that 99.999% have never heard of, is angry at men that get away with rape and assault and harassment, and doesn't care about innocent people having their reputation damaged.
How dare she be angry.
She made a dumb statement.
People make them all the time.
on twitter, on facebook, on the news, and on here.
But you think all this is leading to a 4th reich with feminazis at the helm?
You are out of your fucking mind. And you do good men a great disservice.
What a way to deflect from the realities of victims. Of assault AND false accusations.




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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/28/2017 11:11:30 AM   
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Don't know exactly how the 'Forth Reich' fits into this. If the 4th Reich is coming to be America, then feminism will take a back seat to most everything else.



Well, let me help you out since I wrote it.

You're looking for a connection between modern-day feminism and the third reich? That's easy.

Hitler came to power by convincing a good portion of the German people that Jews (and the Versailles agreement) were the evil menace behind all of Germany's failings. He painted the German people as victims. Once he rose to power, his solution (at first) was to remove any and all power from the Jews including taking their businesses away from them. He assaulted and impugned their reputation, as a people (He'd get to killing them, later on).

Then, we have the N.A.G. (National Association of Gals)/N.O.W. crowd that has painted women as some kind of victim. I guess an argument could be made for that, in the past, but it's hardly legitimate, today.

Now, they're not only calling for equality, but (as I made the point in my original post) they are wanting to be the new abusers. So, a correlation between 1933 Germany and the FemiNazis does indeed exist.





But of course, there's no equivalency between the MRA's cultivated fake victimhood and that of the Nazis, it's only the feminist lefties that could ever be said about.

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RE: The Fourth Reich - 11/29/2017 4:48:47 AM   
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Yup. A price "she's" willing to pay. Love how people are more than happy for someone else to pay a price.

Hardly an exclusively left wing attitude, that: the only time some libertarians ever shut up about how there's NSTAAFL is to stick someone else with the bill for their lunch, and a lot of the rest of the right are even worse for that one.

I think that neither you nor the OP has a fucking clue what a Libertarian is.

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