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DaddySatyr -> Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 7:44:20 AM)


Twelve people, tried and true …

Twelve true people. From the outset, I want to say, very clearly, I believe the jury in San Francisco deliberated and voted their conscience and that's (kind of) the disappointment.

Twelve citizens, presumably “normal” (whatever that means) and of good conscience decided that an illegal alien, five times deported, who “found” (he probably stole) a gun and fired it on a pier with a bunch of people on it and killed Kate Steinle is not guilty of anything.

Not guilty of anything. Well, that kind of sticks in my craw.

He crossed our border SIX TIMES, illegally. He was found with drugs and (I think) was facing charges of intent to distribute. He was released and stole a weapon. He claims it accidentally discharged. Unfortunately, this is a Pablum©-puker's dream. It's those evil guns. It's not the idiots wielding them. It's the guns.

So, it's not the fault of those twelve people; it's the environment in which they live. It's that leftist echo chamber that is named San Francisco County. It's in “The Peoples' Republic of California”

The tradition there is to scoff at any law with which they don't agree. In some cases, it's to act in direct opposition to that law. In this case, it has ensured that Kate Steinle's blood has permanently stained San Francisco.

San Francisco had this barely human piece of flotsam in their jail. I.C.E. (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) asked San Francisco to hold him until they could pick him up, what's called “put a detainer on him”.

San Francisco, in their infinite, “opposition” wisdom decided to thumb their nose at I.C.E. and federal law and released him, allowing him to be on that pier with that gun where Kate and her dad were enjoying a day in the sunshine.

There is no doubt the Steinle family will be filing a wrongful death suit (I believe they already have) so, it was to San Francisco's benefit this illegal alien who “accidentally” discharged a weapon on that pier be found “not guilty”.

I'm not suggesting collusion, but it was certainly fortuitous he was found not guilty because, had he been found guilty, the Steinle family law suit would have been a slam dunk.

And, obviously I am not alleging a judge on any bench in the country could “steer” a trial. That could never happen. I, for one, would love to be able to read the charge to the jury.

I wish Kate Steinle weren't dead. I wish illegals weren't given sanctuary in so many places in this country. I wish breaking the law begat consequences for all people, equally.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

I hope the Steinle family sues San Francisco into bankruptcy and then, the federal government refuses to bail them out.

"San Steinle" has kind of a cool ring to it.



Michael



MasterDrakk -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:01:59 AM)

It may come as a surprise to you, as I understand most reality does, but he was charged and the options were, 1st degree or 2nd degree murder or involuntary manslaughter.

He was acquitted of those charges.

Your rant, as they all are, are substandard bollocks, even for a demented rightist howler of the lowest order, such as yourself.

Poor little mikey the welfare libertarian shot for the low ceiling and only faceplanted once again, as always.



JVoV -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:04:41 AM)

Actually, he was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm, which can carry a 3 year sentence. So it's not like the jury just let him off the hook completely. (Sorry for adding intellectual honesty to your rant.)

I do agree that the family should proceed with a civil case against the city and police department. I think that they have a very strong case, even without a murder conviction.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:05:03 AM)


ronnie, ronnie, ronnie. I was well aware of the charges and, had you read what I wrote, you would have known I was well aware of the verdict. That wasn't the point I was making, but as usual, your wet brain condition is affecting you reading comprehension, again.

What a pity.





quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

It may come as a surprise to you, as I understand most reality does, but he was charged and the options were, 1st degree or 2nd degree murder or involuntary manslaughter.

He was acquitted of those charges.

Your rant, as they all are, are substandard bollocks, even for a demented rightist howler of the lowest order, such as yourself.

Poor little mikey the welfare libertarian shot for the low ceiling and only faceplanted once again, as always.




Lucylastic -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:13:24 AM)

so he WAS found guilty of something....
maybe you should change your blog post to adjust to reality
quote:

Not guilty of anything. Well, that kind of sticks in my craw.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:18:46 AM)


Yes. He murdered someone and was found guilty of "illegal possession of a weapon". Comparatively, that's nothing in my book, but I understand the mindset of protecting illegal pieces of shit at any cost.

Carry on.





quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

so he WAS found guilty of something....
maybe you should change your blog post to adjust to reality
quote:

Not guilty of anything. Well, that kind of sticks in my craw.





bounty44 -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:22:57 AM)

so im curious mnottertroll---how do you deal with the "reality" of Michael's pointing out how wrong/inept you are and the irony of your own, and only your own, "face-plant?"



JVoV -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:23:54 AM)

You don't think that the prosecution may have just totally fucked the case up? Or that the defense did their job?

Manslaughter should have been easy to prove. Maybe the prosecution just didn't properly lay out the case?



Lucylastic -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:28:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Yes. He murdered someone and was found guilty of "illegal possession of a weapon". Comparatively, that's nothing in my book, but I understand the mindset of protecting illegal pieces of shit at any cost.

Carry on.





quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

so he WAS found guilty of something....
maybe you should change your blog post to adjust to reality
quote:

Not guilty of anything. Well, that kind of sticks in my craw.




Now openly lying and assuming my position, again.
And you wonder why you have zero credibility and are a laughing stock.
Pointing out your bullshit again, doesnt mean I agree with the verdict, it simply means you are full of pus, shit and bile





DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:30:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

You don't think that the prosecution may have just totally fucked the case up? Or that the defense did their job?

Manslaughter should have been easy to prove. Maybe the prosecution just didn't properly lay out the case?



I'd reply to you, but you know ... reasons ...

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV 30 NOV, 2017 2:54:21 PM
And it's a complete waste of time for anyone to try to have a rational discussion with you.








MasterDrakk -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:32:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

so im curious mnottertroll---how do you deal with the "reality" of Michael's pointing out how wrong/inept you are and the irony of your own, and only your own, "face-plant?"

I am curious binty44 how you factless inept losers deal with always making a "different point" but cannot quite find the facts and foundation to make them, and cannot straightforwardly explicate them, and are in continuous humiliating 'face-plant'.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:32:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Now openly lying and assuming my position, again.
And you wonder why you have zero credibility and are a laughing stock.
Pointing out your bullshit again, doesnt mean I agree with the verdict, it simply means you are full of pus, shit and bile


Actually, luny, when I typed that, my mind was on the judge, the jury, "The Peoples' Republic of California". You know, the guilty ones.

I couldn't read your mind without a micron telescope, anyway.






kdsub -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:35:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Twelve people, tried and true …

Twelve true people. From the outset, I want to say, very clearly, I believe the jury in San Francisco deliberated and voted their conscience and that's (kind of) the disappointment.

Twelve citizens, presumably “normal” (whatever that means) and of good conscience decided that an illegal alien, five times deported, who “found” (he probably stole) a gun and fired it on a pier with a bunch of people on it and killed Kate Steinle is not guilty of anything.

Not guilty of anything. Well, that kind of sticks in my craw.

He crossed our border SIX TIMES, illegally. He was found with drugs and (I think) was facing charges of intent to distribute. He was released and stole a weapon. He claims it accidentally discharged. Unfortunately, this is a Pablum©-puker's dream. It's those evil guns. It's not the idiots wielding them. It's the guns.

So, it's not the fault of those twelve people; it's the environment in which they live. It's that leftist echo chamber that is named San Francisco County. It's in “The Peoples' Republic of California”

The tradition there is to scoff at any law with which they don't agree. In some cases, it's to act in direct opposition to that law. In this case, it has ensured that Kate Steinle's blood has permanently stained San Francisco.

San Francisco had this barely human piece of flotsam in their jail. I.C.E. (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) asked San Francisco to hold him until they could pick him up, what's called “put a detainer on him”.

San Francisco, in their infinite, “opposition” wisdom decided to thumb their nose at I.C.E. and federal law and released him, allowing him to be on that pier with that gun where Kate and her dad were enjoying a day in the sunshine.

There is no doubt the Steinle family will be filing a wrongful death suit (I believe they already have) so, it was to San Francisco's benefit this illegal alien who “accidentally” discharged a weapon on that pier be found “not guilty”.

I'm not suggesting collusion, but it was certainly fortuitous he was found not guilty because, had he been found guilty, the Steinle family law suit would have been a slam dunk.

And, obviously I am not alleging a judge on any bench in the country could “steer” a trial. That could never happen. I, for one, would love to be able to read the charge to the jury.

I wish Kate Steinle weren't dead. I wish illegals weren't given sanctuary in so many places in this country. I wish breaking the law begat consequences for all people, equally.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

I hope the Steinle family sues San Francisco into bankruptcy and then, the federal government refuses to bail them out.

"San Steinle" has kind of a cool ring to it.



Michael



You and I have no idea what evidence was presented to the jury...why do you presume their decision was politically influenced... You have no idea the political affiliations of the jurors?

I don't know all the charges but it seems to me they were mandated to come back with a verdict only on the charges put before them. So it is not their fault if he was not convicted on other charges they were not asked to consider.

If I were on that jury I would be very unhappy with my President that criticized our decision without knowing the evidence.

Butch



MasterDrakk -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:36:05 AM)

You are incapable of any sort of cogitation whatsoever, you are perfectly ultracrepidarian.



Lucylastic -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:36:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Now openly lying and assuming my position, again.
And you wonder why you have zero credibility and are a laughing stock.
Pointing out your bullshit again, doesnt mean I agree with the verdict, it simply means you are full of pus, shit and bile


Actually, luny, when I typed that, my mind was on the judge, the jury, "The Peoples' Republic of California". You know, the guilty ones.

I couldn't read your mind without a micron telescope, anyway.





RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHT



DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:37:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHT



There's that faulty mind reading, again. Work on it, eh?






Lucylastic -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:38:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHT



There's that faulty mind reading, again. Work on it, eh?





Or you could stop lying.



bounty44 -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:41:33 AM)

more to the story:

"DOJ May Consider Federal Charges Against Illegal Immigrant in Kate Steinle Murder Case"

quote:

After a California jury found Jose Ines Garcia Zarate not guilty in the murder of Kate Steinle, the Depart of Justice is weighing federal charges against the illegal immigrant, Fox News reports.

Zarate was found not guilty of first-degree murder, second degree murder, or manslaughter; he was only convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

While Zarate did not deny killing Steinle, he said the shooting was an accident.

U.S. immigration officials announced after Thursday’s verdict that they would deport the Mexican national, who had already been deported five times prior to shooting Steinle. Before the shooting, Zarate, also known as Juan Francisco Lopez Sanchez, was in jail on a drug charge but was released despite a detainer on him from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. San Francisco, where the shooting took place, is a sanctuary city.

The undocumented felon could spend three years in prison for the firearm charge but has already been behind bars for over two years as the case has made its way through court.

The consideration of federal charges comes as President Trump calls the verdict “disgraceful” and uses the case to rally support for a border wall.

“The Kate Steinle killer came back and back over the weakly protected Obama border, always committing crimes and being violent, and yet this info was not used in court. His exoneration is a complete travesty of justice. BUILD THE WALL!” he tweeted Friday. (Fox News)

In addition to Trump’s comments on the murder trial, Attorney General Jeff Sessions also issued a statement about the verdict.

“When jurisdictions choose to return criminal aliens to the streets rather than turning them over to federal immigration authorities, they put the public’s safety at risk. San Francisco’s decision to protect criminal aliens led to the preventable and heartbreaking death of Kate Steinle,” he said. “While the State of California sought a murder charge for the man who caused Ms. Steinle’s death—a man who would not have been on the streets of San Francisco if the city simply honored an ICE detainer—the people ultimately convicted him of felon in possession of a firearm.”

Sessions did not discuss bringing any more charges against Zarate in his statement, only that the DOJ “will continue to ensure that all jurisdictions place the safety and security of their communities above the convenience of criminal aliens.”

Former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly said what actions Sessions takes now will be a “litmus test” for the attorney general.


www.comradesjustcantgetenoughoftowhnall.com



DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:44:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

You and I have no idea what evidence was presented to the jury...why do you presume their decision was politically influenced... you have no idea the political affiliations of the jurors? I don't even know the charge but it seems to me they were mandated to come back with a verdict only on the charges put before them. So it is not their fault if he was not convicted on other charges they were not asked to consider.

If I were on that jury I would be very unhappy with my President that criticized our decision without knowing the evidence.

Butch


Actually, Butch, I'd ask you to speak for yourself. I've been following the case and I know a good portion of the evidence presented. Obviously, I wasn't in the courtroom, but I'm aware of the evidence of the gun (which I believe was never charged as theft, but should have been, based upon the BLM agent's account), I'm aware of the theory which the D.A. presented to the jury, even offering evidence that the ricochet wasn't off the ground, but off a cement "pillar" (vertical) on the pier.

I'm also aware, as my post attempted to point out, that the (top) charges were: 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter.

How even an accidental discharge when one is illegally in possession of a weapon (he was found guilty of that) doesn't add up to (at the very least) "involuntary manslaughter" is beyond me. It seems prêt-à-porté to me.



Michael



DaddySatyr -> RE: Blood On Their Hands (12/1/2017 8:57:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

more to the story:

"DOJ May Consider Federal Charges Against Illegal Immigrant in Kate Steinle Murder Case"



While it's a poor consolation, I think causing her death (accidentally or purposely) should qualify as "violating her civil rights". You know: "We hold these truths to be self-evident ... they are endowed by their Creator with ... that among those rights is LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ..."

But, like I said, it'll be an awfully hollow "victory".



Peace,


Michael



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