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Greta75 -> Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/2/2017 9:23:51 PM)

http://deadline.com/2017/12/abc-news-suspends-brian-ross-over-bad-flynn-reporting-1202218992/

Yea I am not linking a major news media, but I like the info they got on this through their format.

Doesn't make it less true that Brian Ross himself have tweeted and admitted to fault.

Nice to see Fake news being prosecuted too. These news media folks need to be held responsible for falsifying information.



JVoV -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/2/2017 9:33:02 PM)

I don't see any criminal charges filed yet. That is generally what 'prosecuted' means.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/2/2017 10:51:37 PM)


The entire Lefty, Lame-stream media is walking around with "political victory" wood.

It comes from "Trumpophobia" (©&™) and having been denied the victory that was presumed for four years up until Shrillary's flaming defeat.






Greta75 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 1:48:36 AM)

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I don't see any criminal charges filed yet. That is generally what 'prosecuted' means.


Prosecuted to me means - "having some kind of punishment for what he did, putting out false information."

In this situation, his company punished him by suspending him without salary for 4 weeks.

As for whether false news should be criminalized by the law by the government. In my country, it would be. The entire ABC would have been fined multi-millions of dollars for allowing something like this if this happened in my country as it's very serious crime. But we don't have freedom of speech, we regulate false speeches here. And of course freedom of speech laws in the US protects false news from the criminal court.

And I will also say the same that if freedom of speech did not protect Trump from liability, he should be fined alot of money for not proving that Obama is not a US citizen too. As well as Fox News should be fined alot of money for picking up on that and spreading that false news.

Then the result of that would be media being more careful in producing solid evidence in whatever they wanna write about. Like they are free to write about whatever they want. As long as they can prove it is true.

Because end of the day. We need a news media who we can trust to just report the facts and don't embellish it or try to influence their readers with their personal opinions.



WhoreMods -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 4:46:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I don't see any criminal charges filed yet. That is generally what 'prosecuted' means.


Prosecuted to me means - "having some kind of punishment for what he did, putting out false information."

Prosecution isn't the same thing as punishment, Greta. It refers to an attempt to prove that somebody is guilty of some crime or other through the legal system.



Greta75 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:09:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I don't see any criminal charges filed yet. That is generally what 'prosecuted' means.


Prosecuted to me means - "having some kind of punishment for what he did, putting out false information."

Prosecution isn't the same thing as punishment, Greta. It refers to an attempt to prove that somebody is guilty of some crime or other through the legal system.


Prosecuted to me is like, "Take action against somebody". You mean if a company takes action against an employee for their crimes, just because they are not the government, the word "prosecuted" cannot be used? Because technically the company is like a mini government of the organization he works in, with their own laws and rules and ability to melt out penalties. Some companies can fine their employees too.



bounty44 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:17:09 AM)

that's only one aspect of the words meaning. greta is using it roughly correctly in the other; "to carry on or conduct."



DaddySatyr -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:22:05 AM)


In one of the sex abuse threads, last week, I made mention of the fact that it was a damned shame there would be no formal charges.

I was told there would be, in "the court of public opinion".

One problem with that is the accused enjoys no legal protections and the accuser doesn't really need to bring any kind of solid evidence.

Not exactly the kind of "tribunal" one should have to face, but true enough, there is a "prosecution" that goes on in this court, one where you're guilty until proven innocent or you can manage to prove the accuser is a liar.

I don't like those odds.



Peace,


Michael



bounty44 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:34:15 AM)

I don't disagree, but one wonders to what extent that situation, unfortunate that it is, is part and parcel of not only a free press, but also one that has increasingly become politicized and activist.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:38:46 AM)


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I don't disagree, but one wonders to what extent that situation, unfortunate that it is, is part and parcel of not only a free press, but also one that has increasingly become politicized and activist.


I don't wonder one bit. The "press" is a misnomer. By-and-large, they are nothing more than a propaganda machine for the left.

Just one example: Do you know how much time PMSNBC spent on covering the Kate Steinle verdict on Friday and Saturday? Zero minutes. It didn't fit their narrative. Business as usual/nothing to see here. Move along.



Peace,


Michael



bounty44 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:40:32 AM)

sure, but what im saying is, they are "protected" in their activities---no matter how abhorrent. and because theyre nevertheless "the press" we have to take the bad with the good.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:44:30 AM)


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sure, but what im saying is, they "protected" in their activities---no matter how abhorrent.


They are, indeed. They enjoy almost "divine" protection and they've proven the old idiom: "Power corrupts ..."

There's no more journalism in the country. There's just advocacy and, as I have made the point, several times: The reason they got that first amendment is because they were supposed to be our eyes and ears to keep the government in check. They needed that protection, in order to make sure they wouldn't be cowed into "looking the other way" while our politicians were prison-raping us.

They've abdicated that job to the detriment of the people. Maybe there should be a tightening of libel laws?



Peace,


Michael



servantforuse -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:45:04 AM)

Nothing new. More fake news.



Lucylastic -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 5:55:40 AM)

And they put out a retraction /clarification, before any of you noticed what happened, at least on this board... And have since suspended ross.
The rest of the media , reported correctly, well mostly.


Fake news indeed.



bounty44 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 6:06:35 AM)

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They've abdicated that job to the detriment of the people. Maybe there should be a tightening of libel laws?
Peace,
Michael[/color]


remember when trump mentioned something along the lines and the comrades were all agog with cries of fascism.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 6:11:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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They've abdicated that job to the detriment of the people. Maybe there should be a tightening of libel laws?
Peace,
Michael


remember when trump mentioned something along the lines and the comrades were all agog with cries of fascism.



I actually typed that VERY hesitantly.

As a journalist and a Libertarian, it pains me to think about that idea and the slippery slope that it would present before us.

That said, the old days of "two sources" (not anonymous) and having some kind of evidence, before you go "to print" are sorely missed (by me, anyway).

That's not the case today. Today we get: "An anonymous source says ___________" and the "journalist" has done no checking as to the veracity of the claim.

Rolling Stone/UVA ring any bells?



Peace,


Michael



BoscoX -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 6:17:07 AM)


The Washington Post would dry up and blow away if journalistic standards were brought back...

Then imagine what would happen if educators ever began teaching critical thinking again, rather than today's pure leftist propaganda?



DaddySatyr -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 6:24:58 AM)


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Then imagine what would happen if educators ever began teaching critical thinking again, rather than today's pure leftist propaganda?


About three years ago, I started school and being a "new" (fifty-year-old) student, I was required to take "Philosophy 101".

When I asked why, my student advisor told me that the class was a requirement for freshmen so that they could be taught "critical thinking".

I sat through that class and it was nothing more than "Lefty Indoctrination 101".

My point is: they pretend to be interested in teaching critical thinking and that makes our children think that is what they're learning. That's even more insidious than just saying: "We're not going to teach 'critical thinking' anymore."



Michael



Greta75 -> RE: Brian Ross obviously got over-excited with info to impeach Trump (12/3/2017 6:48:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
That said, the old days of "two sources" (not anonymous) and having some kind of evidence, before you go "to print" are sorely missed (by me, anyway).


And this precisely is still being practiced in my local media here. Also the very strong practice of never paying for news or sources. I think these ethics is what make news media respectable.

It's all the "anonymous" sources that bothers me the most! Because it all sounds so dodgy! How could reputable media write front page news on anonymous sources! And it's becoming the most regular thing!



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