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DaddySatyr -> Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/3/2017 10:43:56 PM)
This is just a little outlandish and though some may argue this is an isolated incident, I tend to doubt that. I believe the fact that it was *caught on video* is probably pretty rare, but I doubt things similar to this don't happen every week. They're just not "reported". I mean, after all, for a couple of years, now it's been "acceptable" to "punch a Nazi", right? quote: The teenager was part of a Students for Life of America group that was engaged on sidewalk counseling on public property across from the Planned Parenthood clinic. “It’s outrageous,” Students for Life president Kristan Hawkins said. “This act of violence against a group of peaceful pro-life students who were outside a Planned Parenthood facility offering love and support to pregnant women serves as a sad reflection on the state of debate today.” Hawkins said a woman believed to be in her late 20’s or early 30’s accosted the student group early Saturday outside the clinic. Pro-lifers traditionally gather in the area on Saturdays because that is the day when the clinic performs abortions. The young people were holding signs that read, “All people are made in the image of God.” “During the initial confrontation, the woman came over and grabbed a sign from one of the students,” she said. She also threatened to beat up the young people and vowed to “f*** them up.” A Liberty University student started filming the woman as she returned to the group, tried to grab another sign and then sucker-punched the 15-year-old girl. “It’s horrific that a minor expressing love for pregnant women was targeted for violence,” SFLA spokesperson Kristi Hamrick said. The victim, who we are not going to name, was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment of her injuries. Roanoke Police were called to the scene but authorities have not said if any charges have been filed against the assailant. The attacker’s name has not been released and authorities did not return calls seeking comment. Planned Parenthood did not return calls seeking comment on the incident either. Text (even though I gave you all of it) and video are here. One can only assume that the aggressor went outside with the knowledge of someone in the PP office, right? Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 6:42:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr This is just a little outlandish and though some may argue this is an isolated incident, I tend to doubt that. I believe the fact that it was *caught on video* is probably pretty rare, but I doubt things similar to this don't happen every week. They're just not "reported". I mean, after all, for a couple of years, now it's been "acceptable" to "punch a Nazi", right? quote: The teenager was part of a Students for Life of America group that was engaged on sidewalk counseling on public property across from the Planned Parenthood clinic. “It’s outrageous,” Students for Life president Kristan Hawkins said. “This act of violence against a group of peaceful pro-life students who were outside a Planned Parenthood facility offering love and support to pregnant women serves as a sad reflection on the state of debate today.” Hawkins said a woman believed to be in her late 20’s or early 30’s accosted the student group early Saturday outside the clinic. Pro-lifers traditionally gather in the area on Saturdays because that is the day when the clinic performs abortions. The young people were holding signs that read, “All people are made in the image of God.” “During the initial confrontation, the woman came over and grabbed a sign from one of the students,” she said. She also threatened to beat up the young people and vowed to “f*** them up.” A Liberty University student started filming the woman as she returned to the group, tried to grab another sign and then sucker-punched the 15-year-old girl. “It’s horrific that a minor expressing love for pregnant women was targeted for violence,” SFLA spokesperson Kristi Hamrick said. The victim, who we are not going to name, was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment of her injuries. Roanoke Police were called to the scene but authorities have not said if any charges have been filed against the assailant. The attacker’s name has not been released and authorities did not return calls seeking comment. Planned Parenthood did not return calls seeking comment on the incident either. Text (even though I gave you all of it) and video are here. One can only assume that the aggressor went outside with the knowledge of someone in the PP office, right? Michael I don't think we can assume that whoever in PP knew the aggressor was going to attack, though. I would assume someone in PP knew the woman left their building, but that's as far as assumptions can really go. The woman may have made her intentions clear inside, but until we get a verified eye witness account, we'll never know. To that end, I hope the woman gets appropriate charges filed against her and that she is given the appropriate sentence for whatever she's found guilty of.

BoscoX -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 6:55:13 AM)
Shame on you DS, for pointing out the fact that leftists are violent by the very nature of their mental disorders Get back in line, swallow the propaganda like every other useful idiot /sarcasm

WhoreMods -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 7:01:15 AM)
The twat who ran somebody over during the tantrum in Kentucky wasn't affiliated to any right wing or white supremacist groups, so why should it be assumed that this bint is part of the leftist hive mind? I'd be interested to see your provide something to demonstrate your working out that makes your double standard here look like something other than partisan hypocrisy.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 7:31:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I don't think we can assume that whoever in PP knew the aggressor was going to attack, though. I would assume someone in PP knew the woman left their building, but that's as far as assumptions can really go. The woman may have made her intentions clear inside, but until we get a verified eye witness account, we'll never know. To that end, I hope the woman gets appropriate charges filed against her and that she is given the appropriate sentence for whatever she's found guilty of. I wouldn't expect anyone inside the building to "rat out" their compatriot necessarily, but wouldn't it be nice if someone in the building did have enough of a conscience to tell all of us what was said as the assaulter went out the door (or immediately before)? Doing the right thing isn't always easy or comfortable. I'm reminded of the Reverend King quote that addresses that. I am *positive* something was said, even if only "I'll handle this." I'm assuming that the protesters were in a place where they're allowed to be by law and that the PP folks knew that, as well. So, I think the idea of "defending" PPs property or "rights" is probably not an issue. I *can* state this with a fair degree of certainty: In most states, assaulting a minor (for whatever reason) is a pretty serious deal. It could fall under the umbrella of the child protection laws, enacted a while back, that gave us the "amber alerts" (I believe that case was in NJ?). I can't, for the life of me, remember the young girl's last name, but I know that the punishment enhancements that law brought were significant. Even just the "sucker punch" aspect of this (not legally, but the "ick factor") is cringe-worthy, I think. That to the side, I think it does point up the mind-set of some people where violence is concerned, these days. That's why I referenced the "punch a Nazi" thing and it goes back to the "inside the building" part of the discussion. One would hope that one person (or more) inside that building doesn't think it's alright to "punch a Nazi" and will speak up. Unfortunately (and I'm not making this a final declaration), the lack of someone (so far) speaking up kind of points to the opposite. Peace, Michael

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 7:46:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Shame on you DS, for pointing out the fact that leftists are violent by the very nature of their mental disorders Get back in line, swallow the propaganda like every other useful idiot /sarcasm I saw the "/sarcasm", but even with that, I only meant to point out that there is a percentage of people who have taken to the idea that it's okay to be violent with some people just because we loathe their opinions (and everything they stand for). I'm not claiming this is a 1st Amendment issue, because this assaulter doesn't work for the government (although PP is subsidized by the government. Hmmmm), but that doesn't change the fact that a *person* is trying to silence another person and there's laws about that, too (and if there ain't, there should be). No, my point was while there's plenty of people the primitive part of my brain would like me to kick the life out of, civilized people shouldn't behavior the way the knuckle-dragger in the video did and, unfortunately, there will be a portion that will run to her defense. That mindset is rapacious and needs to be obliterated before it spreads too far and takes root; like some other ideologies with which we're all too familiar. Michael

Lucylastic -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 8:34:44 AM)
I dont condone violence. I dont condone what seems to have happened, especially for the minor. Planned parenthood brings out the worst in people, on both sides as we see often see, but of course that is too often ignored. Violence seems to be very popular. Just a small number of violence noted by the FBI at PP clinics. https://www.fbi.gov/@@search?SearchableText=planned+parenthood+clinic&pageSize=20&page=1 Are there any update on charges being brought against the woman??? I cant find anything yet.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 9:35:32 AM)
While doing a Google search for some kind of update, something kind of jumped out on me. I live in America, so I am only speaking from that perspective. In the first page of results, I didn't see one link to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, PMSNBC, Huffpoo, any of the "Times" or "Post" publications ... I would say that some of them would be in the "top ten" of outlets that claim to be news, yes? I did see one story linked to Fox News and one linked to The Blaze (of all places), but the "Lefty" outlets seem to have missed the story, somehow. Surely, CNN and PMSNBC are as "big" as Fox News, right? This is what some of us are talking about, when we talk about a lefty bias in the media and the lefty media having devolved into a the propaganda arm of the DNC. How is something like this not considered news worthy by them? Never mind, that really was just a rhetorical question; not posed to anyone, here. Just call it "food for thought" Google Search Results

Lucylastic -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 10:08:29 AM)
well your source isnt one that is "news" its todd starnes. the link at fox is by todd starnes too The blaze is hardly"news" According to which one you read, the "assailant" wasnt identified...why not? Why werent the police called? Many PP clinics have security, in the form of cops and not just cameras, especially on days that they do the procedures. Because of protestos. There is no report from the roanoke crime report yet. Maybe Project Veritas is at it again.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 10:38:13 AM)
Sans objection, I'll take these one-at-a-time: quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic well your source isnt one that is "news" Well, actually, he is a journalist, columnist, Fox News contributor and an author (Fair disclosure: he's also a pro-life supporter) quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic its todd starnes. the link at fox is by todd starnes too Well, actually, he is a journalist, columnist, Fox News contributor and an author (Fair disclosure: he's also a pro-life supporter) quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The blaze is hardly"news" Some would disagree, but whether you consider it news or not, they are reporting the story, yes? quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic According to which one you read, the "assailant" wasnt identified...why not? Just a stab in the dark, but I would guess it has something to do with privacy law issues that are in place until police can decide if charges will be filed or not. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Why werent the police called? The story I read says they're aware of the incident. So, whether they were "called" or not, they're "in it", now. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Many PP clinics have security, in the form of cops and not just cameras, especially on days that they do the procedures. Because of protestos. That's understandable. Let's go ahead and stipulate that this bully is a member of PP's security force. I don't understand what that has to do with the incident. In fact, I'll go further: If you're suggesting this person is a security professional, in my mind, it makes the incident even worse because a professional would/should know better. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic There is no report from the roanoke crime report yet. I didn't check the Roanoke Crime Report, but I'll fall back on: I think the police have to determine whether or not a crime has occurred, before it can make the report (even if just based upon the name "Crime Report") quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Maybe Project Veritas is at it again. Doubtful, but if you're trying to claim the incident was staged? I can't imagine that being the case. Wouldn't Project Veritas have to get the bully into the PP building in order to stage it? Would a PP site allow someone to just kind of "hang out in the lobby" without stating their business? Think back to that security force, again. Even if that alleged "actor" wasn't hanging around the lobby, do you think PP would be vigilant enough to notice someone walking in and walking right back out and call the police for their own safety/security? I'll grant you all the rhetoric about Todd Starnes not "being news" and all of that, but since it sounds like you're already trying to debunk the story, I'll ask flat-out: Why do you suppose the "real" news sites (ABC,CBS,NBC, ...et al.) are ignoring this? I think there's only two possibilities: 1) They don't view it as news because it's just another "fundie whacko" getting what they deserve or B) They don't think finding out if it was staged is important enough. You know, like if it is "project veritas at it again", wouldn't that be worth adding more evidence to the pile of what an evil organization PV is? Honestly, I think the question answers itself. That's why I made it rhetorical. I think the answer is somewhere in the same zip code as "1)"

Lucylastic -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 10:54:56 AM)
Its assault, the police cant afford to ignore it. Its also assault on video, and against a minor. If the police havent made a charge, they are opening themselves up to a civil suit, how dare they ignore it. PS NO I meant LEOS NOT PP security staff, I mean POLICE patrolling abortion clinics because of "protesters" harassment. ESPECIALLY on days that procedures are carried out. Obviously there is no buffer zone around it. talk about mind reading... You did see the project veritas bitch claiming roy moore made her pregnant when she was 15? thats what they do they lie, they deceptively edit video, because, hello planned parenthood. The last time anyone saw violence in the major news networks at PP was when robert dear shot up the PP in colorado in 2015, but he had to kill and injure to get there.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 11:01:25 AM)
Honestly, I'm trying to be accommodating to you so: quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic talk about mind reading... No, I was asking if that's where you were heading. Look: quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr ... but if you're trying to claim the incident was staged? See? Question mark. I don't see how asking a question is "mind reading", but given your level of expertise at mind reading, I guess I understand why you thought it was.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 11:08:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Its assault, the police cant afford to ignore it. I didn't suggest the police could ignore it. I was answering your question: quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Why werent the police called?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 11:10:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic If the police havent made a charge, they are opening themselves up to a civil suit, how dare they ignore it. Considering the video evidence, I would echo your "how dare they ignore it". The first part of this quote is kind of an assumption. I would say the police are probably doing their "due diligence" to investigate the incident so they don't rush to judgment on the assaulter. I don't see how charges won't ensue.

Lucylastic -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 11:51:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Honestly, I'm trying to be accommodating to you so: quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic talk about mind reading... No, I was asking if that's where you were heading. Look: quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr ... but if you're trying to claim the incident was staged? See? Question mark. I don't see how asking a question is "mind reading", but given your level of expertise at mind reading, I guess I understand why you thought it was. This remark was the one I meant " quote: Let's go ahead and stipulate that this bully is a member of PP's security force. I don't understand what that has to do with the incident. In fact, I'll go further: If you're suggesting this person is a security professional, in my mind, it makes the incident even worse because a professional would/should know better. Off topic, questions are often believed to be stawmen or ad homs.... Depending on mood , argument, or debate... Or so im told

Lucylastic -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 11:56:06 AM)
Also regarding privacy....they have released the name of the punchee, a minor, so,im not sure it qualifies .

MercTech -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 12:14:41 PM)
I can't read such articles without thinking about what happened at the Belair Building in Norfolk Virginia when I was stationed there. The facts: > The Navy Federal Credit Union and the Planned Parenthood Clinic shared the second floor of the building. One was to the right of an elevator and the other to the left. > Protesters were routinely found accosting people in the parking lot, ignoring the building security guard telling them to stay off the property if they didn't have an appointment in the building. > Protesters accosted a 7 month pregnant lady entering the building shoving a fetus in a jar into her face. > While screaming "Don't kill your baby!" the protesters shoved the pregnant lady away from the door causing her to fall off the curb and having a miscarriage. > Four of the protesters were arrested and charged with manslaughter over the death of the third trimester child. > A court order forbidding the Virginia Right to Life organization from setting foot on the property or parking lot of the Belair Building was issued. > A more radical member of the Right to Life movement set off explosives in the Navy Federal ATM in the building. BTW, the pregnant lady was trying to go to the Credit Union to deposit her husband's military spousal support check as their direct deposit had not started yet. (It took two monthly pay periods for spousal support checks to kick in as direct deposit back then.) The monstrous level of harassment clinic workers receive if there is even a hint of the clinic performing pregnancy termination procedures is horrendous. Roping underage students into rabid protest and harassment should be investigated as possible child abuse. Eventually even Ghandi would lose patience at the level of vitriolic harassment women's health clinic workers receive. I hope when that clinic worker gets done with her trial for assault and battery her sentence is time served and a dollar fine.

bounty44 -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 2:44:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Roping underage students into rabid protest and harassment should be investigated as possible child abuse. I didn't see the video in the op so I might be missing something, but im not seeing how being across the street allows for anything that can be called "harassment" and im objecting to your use of the word "rabid." lastly, ive never seen "underage students roped" into such things. they go because they understand whats going on and have strong views concerning the killing of babies. she is (the underage student in question) a member of the pro-life group of her own accord and chose to be there. unless your strictly talking about your observations from when you said you were stationed there?

JVoV -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 3:14:59 PM)
My only guess is that the woman either had an appointment of her own, or was at the clinic with a friend or loved one and became irate over the protesters. It does seem like an invasion of medical privacy, not to mention harassment, to be protesting directly in front of a clinic, even if it is across the street. What the video doesn't show is what the protesters actually said towards the woman in the first place. And since what the sign I could clearly see in the video did not match what the article says it said, I'm willing to believe other details of the story may be inaccurate as well.

JVoV -> RE: Ahh! Tolerance, Indeed! (12/4/2017 3:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Roping underage students into rabid protest and harassment should be investigated as possible child abuse. I didn't see the video in the op so I might be missing something, but im not seeing how being across the street allows for anything that can be called "harassment" and im objecting to your use of the word "rabid." lastly, ive never seen "underage students roped" into such things. they go because they understand whats going on and have strong views concerning the killing of babies. she is (the underage student in question) a member of the pro-life group of her own accord and chose to be there. unless your strictly talking about your observations from when you said you were stationed there? Oh, the video was sad. That poor little white girl went down. Video shows the girl repeating "this is our property", which I assume she means the sidewalk being public property. Like she ever paid taxes with her own money. Black lady said "this is my property too", walked across the street. There was a struggle for the sign, then BOP upside the white girl's head. Girl kissed pavement. And her little friend in a hoodie just stood there like a damn fool.

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