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SO Much Winning!!! - 12/4/2017 8:27:26 PM   
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Fully constitutional - you can bet your ass

The leftist minor court judges were seizing for themselves the power that the constitution and congress grant the president, bottom line.

Supreme Court allows full enforcement of Trump travel ban

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

This is not a final ruling on the travel ban: Challenges to the policy are winding through the federal courts, and the justices themselves ultimately are expected to rule on its legality...

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/4/2017 8:55:38 PM   
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Fully constitutional - you can bet your ass

The leftist minor court judges were seizing for themselves the power that the constitution and congress grant the president, bottom line.

Supreme Court allows full enforcement of Trump travel ban

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

This is not a final ruling on the travel ban: Challenges to the policy are winding through the federal courts, and the justices themselves ultimately are expected to rule on its legality...

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A travel ban???? This is the reason you are jumping up and down like a giddy schoolgirl?

Ohhhh Yay!


Big victory!

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/4/2017 9:04:30 PM   
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Butthurt little bitch much?



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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/4/2017 9:25:55 PM   
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Fully constitutional - you can bet your ass

The leftist minor court judges were seizing for themselves the power that the constitution and congress grant the president, bottom line.

Supreme Court allows full enforcement of Trump travel ban

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

This is not a final ruling on the travel ban: Challenges to the policy are winding through the federal courts, and the justices themselves ultimately are expected to rule on its legality...

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A travel ban???? This is the reason you are jumping up and down like a giddy schoolgirl?

Ohhhh Yay!


Big victory!


give him a break, trump is in so much trouble he needs something to gloat about.


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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/4/2017 11:49:14 PM   
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A travel ban???? This is the reason you are jumping up and down like a giddy schoolgirl?

Ohhhh Yay!

Big victory!


I remember a bunch of people, celebrating in the street, when a circus court judge issued the injunction.

It seemed like a "big victory" then.



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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:09:31 AM   
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well I wonder why that was....
its not like the ban was built on facts.

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:14:56 AM   
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well I wonder why that was....
its not like the ban was built on facts.


Whether it was or not (and I believe it was), it doesn't change my point that a "big victory", when claimed by some people, doesn't seem to be a "big victory", when the tide suddenly turns the other way and it's claimed so by others.





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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:25:23 AM   
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Well it isnt actually over, so a victory in a single battle isnt winning the war. The ban can continue, for now.

They had to rewrite the ban how many times? to get it this far?
Ten months? And it still has to be litigated later
enjoy your victory.

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:29:04 AM   
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Well it isnt actually over, so a victory in a single battle isnt winning the war. The ban can continue, for now.



I'm confused. Once the SCOTUS rules on the constitutionality, it's still not over?

Would that also apply to ...

Brown v. Board of Education?
Roe v. Wade?
ObamaCare?
Gay Marriage?

I always thought the "benchmark" to being "settled law" was once the SCOTUS had ruled?





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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:47:55 AM   
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The Supreme Court on Monday gave approval to the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.

This is not a final ruling on the travel ban: Challenges to the policy are winding through the federal courts, and the justices themselves ultimately are expected to rule on its legality.

But the action indicates that the high court might eventually approve the latest version of the ban, announced by U.S. President Donald Trump in September. Lower courts have continued to find problems with the policy.

White House spokesperson Hogan Gidley said the White House is "not surprised by today's Supreme Court decision permitting immediate enforcement of the President's proclamation limiting travel from countries presenting heightened risks of terrorism."

Opponents of this and previous versions of the ban say they show a bias against Muslims. They say that was reinforced most recently by Trump's retweets of anti-Muslim videos.

"President Trump's anti-Muslim prejudice is no secret. He has repeatedly confirmed it, including just last week on Twitter. It's unfortunate that the full ban can move forward for now, but this order does not address the merits of our claims," said Omar Jadwat, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants' Rights Project. The ACLU is representing some opponents of the ban.

Just two of nine justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, noted their disagreement with court orders allowing the latest policy to take full effect.

This is the third version of the travel ban that Trump first sought to implement after taking office in January.


The new policy is not expected to cause the chaos that ensued at airports when Trump rolled out his first ban without warning in January.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-travel-ban-supreme-court-1.4432529



Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court granted Tuesday a Trump administration request to continue to bar most refugees under its travel ban.

Without comment, the court blocked a federal appeals court ruling from last week that would have exempted refugees who have a contractual commitment from resettlement organizations from the travel ban while the justices consider its legality. The ruling could impact roughly 24,000 people.

Without comment, the court blocked a federal appeals court ruling from last week that would have exempted refugees who have a contractual commitment from resettlement organizations from the travel ban while the justices consider its legality. The ruling could impact roughly 24,000 people.
The travel ban bars certain people from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from entering the US.
The issue concerning the scope of the travel ban has been ricocheting through the courts since last spring when the Supreme Court allowed Trump's ban to go into effect except for those with a "bona fide" relationship to the United States. The order might give hope to supporters of the ban, but it may also simply reflect a desire on the part of the justices to maintain the status quo until the justices can hear the case next month.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/363183-supreme-court-allows-full-trump-travel-ban-to-take-effect


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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:56:29 AM   
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Disclaimer I pressed send to quick.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-immigration/supreme-court-dismisses-hawaiis-challenge-to-trump-travel-ban-idUSKBN1CT2NJ

Supreme Court dismisses Hawaii's challenge to Trump travel ban
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday formally dropped plans to hear the last remaining challenge to an earlier version of President Donald Trump’s travel ban targeting several Muslim-majority countries and a ban on refugees, but a fight over the legality of his latest restrictions still could reach the nine justices.

The high court said it will not hear the case brought by Hawaii over the bans, which have expired and been replaced with revised policies. Trump’s 120-day ban on refugees ended on Tuesday and is set to be replaced by a new set of restrictions.

Two lower courts have blocked Trump’s new ban targeting people from eight countries, Trump’s third set of travel restrictions, and the issue could find its way back to the Supreme Court on appeal.

The court on Oct. 10 disposed of the first of two travel ban cases -- brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and others in Maryland -- after Trump’s earlier 90-day ban on people entering the U.S. from six predominantly Muslim countries expired on Sept. 24. It was a replaced with a modified, open-ended ban involving eight countries.

The justices had been scheduled to hear arguments in the two consolidated on Oct. 10.

Among the issues raised by challengers was whether the travel ban discriminated against Muslims in violation of the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition on the government favoring or disfavoring a particular religion. The same arguments are being used against the new ban.

Trump has said the restrictions were needed to prevent terrorism in the United States.

The expired ban had targeted people from Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan. The new ban removed Sudan from the list and blocked people from Chad and North Korea and certain government officials from Venezuela from entering the United States.

If the new restrictions go into effect, they could block tens of thousands of potential immigrants and visitors to the United States. Trump had promised as a candidate “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”

You can get the order here....
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120417zr_4gd5.pdf


Washington post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/12/04/supreme-court-lifts-temporary-injunction-blocking-trumps-travel-ban-3-0/?utm_term=.95fd0856641b
Earlier today, the Supreme Court issued two orders stopping implementation of lower court injunctions that had temporarily blocked implementation of President Donald Trump’s third travel ban order, which permanently bans entry into the United States by most citizens of six Muslim-majority nations, as well as imposing mostly insignificant restrictions on citizens of North Korea and Venezuela. These orders do not resolve the legal challenges to Trump’s latest travel ban. But they do allow it to go into effect, at least until the lower courts reach final decisions on its legality.

Earlier, two federal trial courts had issued temporary injunctions blocking implementation of large parts of the order, one because it exceeds the authority granted to the president by Congress, and another because the order was an unconstitutional effort to discriminate against Muslims. Today’s orders lift those injunctions.
It is the first time any federal court has allowed any of Trump’s three travel bans to go into effect. Back in June, the Supreme Court issued a mixed decision that partially lifted, but also partly maintained lower court injunctions against the second iteration of Trump’s travel ban order. Today’s rulings are more favorable to the administration. They are probably the administration’s biggest successes, throughout the entire history of the travel ban litigation.

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 12:57:38 AM   
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But then Bosco did mention it in his OP
This is not a final ruling on the travel ban: Challenges to the policy are winding through the federal courts, and the justices themselves ultimately are expected to rule on its legality.

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 1:12:46 AM   
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If the new restrictions go into effect, they could block tens of thousands of potential immigrants and visitors to the United States. Trump had promised as a candidate “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”



Unfortunately, people frequently place a period incorrectly, there.

The statement was (from your opening quotation mark)"...a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's represntatives can figure out what the hell is going on." I'm trusting C-Span is a "reputable" source? It's four minutes. Give it a listen.

So, it was never supposed to be a permenant ban, but that often gets left out of the conversation.





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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 1:21:44 AM   
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oh dear gawd
thats what you pick on??? fine, however I didnt leave it, out the source did, take it up with the source.
you wanted info, I gave it to you.









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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 1:54:02 AM   
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oh dear gawd
thats what you pick on??? fine, however I didnt leave it, out the source did, take it up with the source.
you wanted info, I gave it to you.



Honestly, I wasn't say you left it out. It has become the de facto position of almost all media (including Fox News, interestingly enough), but if we're going to discuss the issue, it should be examined in context, right?





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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 2:00:17 AM   
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If the new restrictions go into effect, they could block tens of thousands of potential immigrants and visitors to the United States. Trump had promised as a candidate “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”



Unfortunately, people frequently place a period incorrectly, there.

The statement was (from your opening quotation mark)"...a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's represntatives can figure out what the hell is going on." I'm trusting C-Span is a "reputable" source? It's four minutes. Give it a listen.

So, it was never supposed to be a permenant ban, but that often gets left out of the conversation.



So a complete and total shutdown that lasts for an unspecified amount of time isn't actually a complete and total shutdown?

I notice that the fact that nobody actually said how long it would last was something you left out here.
You even went a step further and assumed it would be temporary, and that 'figuring out what the hell is going on', in all of its absurdly vague glory, is something that can actually be accomplished... apparently within a short period of time, because of course the solutions to these unspecified problems are so so so easy.

It's pretty much exactly what Hitler promised in order to obtain his 'temporary' emergency powers.
Do you even realize that 'what is going on' isn't even referring to anything??
What the fuck does that even mean?
It's what stupid people say when they try to talk about politics... so of course Trump's followers love it.

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 2:17:12 AM   
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Well that was his rally cry...muslim ban, until we can figure it out(paraphrasing)


What he wanted with the first ban was thrown out, the second one was thrown out and he doesnt have a clear victory with this 3rd version.
context yeah right.

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 6:11:58 AM   
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That the circus court leftist judges were slapped down for seizing power that was not theirs, power that by law belongs to the president, is indeed a major victory for the rule of law itself, and for those few remaining individuals who believe in the rule of law

They are free to challenge the constitutionality but it is an outrage that they seized the power to set policy prior to winning their case, because we have had elections and we have had congresses and we have a constitution in place already that guides how policy is set by law

For one judge, or even a handful of judges to attempts a coup this way is banana republic stuff. This is indeed a huge victory against leftists and their business as usual insanity of upending the rule of law, upending elections and their efforts to bring in non-citizens who are dangerous to democracy itself by the nature of the cult they belong to merely so their votes can be used to influence future elections and further erode the rule of law here

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 6:26:25 AM   
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Butthurt little bitch much?





Butthurt? Hardly... Sure, it's a stupid policy that empowers ISIS, but this administration serves basically as ISIS' recruiting arm anyway.

I don't spend any significant time thinking about this policy.


Go ahead and celebrate! Put on your party dress! We'll have cupcakes for you :)

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RE: SO Much Winning!!! - 12/5/2017 6:35:44 AM   
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There is little doubt that a wave of conservatism has swept America In the last few years. Democrats have a lot of soul searching to do if they want to regain the political scene. I believe they are most fortunate that Republicans picked Trump as their flag bearer. If they had chosen someone competent the Democratic agenda would have been pushed back even further.

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