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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

do you think you are making a point?
not even close,
its simple repetition grunting "mooselambs scare me"

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you sound like a "leftist" (your descriptions of) more with every post.
such a man baby

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh, im trolling, yep, I am, lol and you are biting like a starving piranha.
chow down

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I am not sure why this debate continues...

1. Yes you are right. The Quran preaches violence to infidels, and non-believers... Not to mention it's less than stellar recognition of womens rights.
2. Not all Muslims take the Quarn literally, and rebel against a literal interpretation, and the associated violence.
3. Some muslims on the other hand, most certainly do take the Quran literally
4. My own faith: Deuteronomy lists Hebrew laws which include the sacrificing animals, staying away from menstruating women, owning of slaves, and in Leviticus says to stone homosexuals. Not all Jews take 100% of that literally

Yes. Of course. An examination of the Bible and Christian beliefs will reveal the same enormous gap between the founding text of the religion and the way the religion is practiced today by its adherents. For instance sections of the Bible advocate enslaving one's enemies and recount several instances of this happening, something that (I hope!) all Christians today would find abhorrent.

The reason why the 'debate' continues is down to the obstinate obsessive Islamophobia of (in the main) one individual who insists that somehow Islam is different from all other religions and that the written text is followed literally and scrupulously by its adherents. This individual's hate is so obsessive that it blinds him to the absurdity of his claims, effectively fact-proofing him.

As someone else noted, his obsessive hate is one fixed point in an otherwise ever-changing universe.

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My position is that the Islamic ideology (cult) is akin to Naziism in that after studying the facts and the history, any sane person should find it abhorrent. Their book and their teachings, based on Muhammad's words and deeds very clearly demand theocracy, terroristic violence, misogyny, fascism... Pushes slavery... And significant numbers of Muslim cult followers engage in all of those pursuits today, exactly as they have done since the time of Muhammad.

No others are like that, especially not on a global scale. The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago... And deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence

Like Muslims, there were certainly many Nazis who were very nice, harmless, even charming people. Old women, very young children, you name it.

But the Islamic ideology is totally unacceptable, and no thinking person would in their right mind suggest they are exactly the same as every other people because of their ideology.

It's an ancient death cult that still preaches and practices the old barbaric ways that the rest of the world has outlawed, prohibited, condemned and actively prosecute

Well, except perhaps for socialists.

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The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago...

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And [Muslim apologists] deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence

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Adherents of all religions pick and choose which bits of the foundation texts of their preferred religion they choose to follow and choose to overlook or ignore. Therefore the assertion that any given religion can be accurately and fairly assessed on the basis of its foundation text alone is not a valid or useful method of assessing either the religion itself or the behaviour of that religion's adherents.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago...

... except that those same writings (eg Deuteronomy) are regularly used to justify Christian persecution of queers today. The ancient texts were not "abrogated long ago" but are subject to the same cherry picking processes that characterise the relationship between believers and their foundation texts in most religions.

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And [Muslim apologists] deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence

...as Christians have done consistently for the last 2,000 years. The historical record is quite clear - the most violent religion. over the past two millenia has been Christianity.

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I am unaware of any Christian society, currently or historically, which has observed the founder's prohibition of violence. Even the 'pacifist' Quakers produced Nixon, who was by no means a model of pacifism ...

Adherents of all religions pick and choose which bits of the foundation texts of their preferred religion they choose to follow and choose to overlook or ignore. Therefore the assertion that any given religion can be accurately and fairly assessed on the basis of its foundation text alone is not a valid or useful method of assessing either the religion itself or the behaviour of that religion's adherents, unless one has an agenda that needs advancing.

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Bosco's Islamophobia is precisely one such agenda, an agenda that blinds Bosco to the absurdity of his hysterical claims about Islam.