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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 6:19:04 PM   
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I have never understood the idea that Indians had or have some kind of claim to this earth because of where they were located at any one time of history. The various groups of HUMANS that migrated by one means or another to the Americas fought, defeated ,dominated, and profited from others to get there. The fact that they in turn were fought, defeated,dominated, and profited from, by another group of humans does not give them a special privilege or ownership of anything.


In modern terms, it would be like the US invading China and taking over China, and running roughshed over their culture and instill American culture over there. It is rather terrible, coming to think of it.

Fortunately, some countries like China/Japan/Korea/Thailand etc, all have their original people there running their own country. There may be civil wars internally, and internal squabbles, but they are still running their own land. Not every country got the history of the US where they invaded another ethnicity's land.


Chinese dynasties invaded and subsumed many territories/principalities. European countries did the same to get to where they are today. Indigenous peoples in the Western hemisphere did the same before Europeans arrived, African kingdoms did the same, etc.

Tibet still "has their own people," but but that doesn't stop China from harassing them, and claiming to "own" them. Just like Britain still planting its fat butt in N. Ireland. So, yeah, "Way to keep the peace, there, folks."

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 6:35:09 PM   
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Tibet still "has their own people," but but that doesn't stop China from harassing them, and claiming to "own" them. Just like Britain still planting their fat butt in N. Ireland.

As you said, Tibet still have their "own people" running their own territory.

I never claim that China aren't bullies. If they could invade Singapore and claim it as their own, they would without a qualm. Infact, they behave most of the time as IF Singapore should be under their ruling and try to exert their power to threaten us all the time to do things their way.

But point is. China has always been run by Chinese and still is. Original occupants are still in there running their own show.


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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 6:44:19 PM   
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But point is. China has always been run by Chinese and still is. Original occupants are still in there running their own show.


The point you missed was that the "Chinese" as we know today only came about in process of some succession of dynasties taking over non-Chinese (like Cantonese, e.g.) in the first place. The original citizens of the original states are no longer "their own people," but now 'owned' by halfwits in Bejing.

There is no such thing as 1.4 billion people all living together now coming from (or conforming to) the same language and culture, even living hundreds or thousands of miles apart, 1,000 or 100 yr. old transportation. Just NO way.

What we see with Tibet today has happened a hundred or a thousand times already.

In China, Europe, everywhere else.


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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 7:14:50 PM   
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I have never understood the idea that Indians had or have some kind of claim to this earth because of where they were located at any one time of history. The various groups of HUMANS that migrated by one means or another to the Americas fought, defeated ,dominated, and profited from others to get there. The fact that they in turn were fought, defeated,dominated, and profited from, by another group of humans does not give them a special privilege or ownership of anything.


In modern terms, it would be like the US invading China and taking over China, and running roughshed over their culture and instill American culture over there. It is rather terrible, coming to think of it.

Fortunately, some countries like China/Japan/Korea/Thailand etc, all have their original people there running their own country. There may be civil wars internally, and internal squabbles, but they are still running their own land. Not every country got the history of the US where they invaded another ethnicity's land.




Oh but they did Greta... there are no such things as their own lands... as all our ancestors moved out of Africa they fought each other as well as other humanoids. The exodus from Africa itself was fraught with conquest and domination and a fight for resources. Our existence on this earth is the result of blood shed and life taken. None of us has the high moral ground...we are just the survivors. Our only hope as a species is that we evolve to overcome the animal within.

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 7:45:43 PM   
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there [is] no such thing as their own land


Exactly that.



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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 8:14:52 PM   
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Oh but they did Greta... there are no such things as their own lands... as all our ancestors moved out of Africa they fought each other as well as other humanoids. The exodus from Africa itself was fraught with conquest and domination and a fight for resources. Our existence on this earth is the result of blood shed and life taken. None of us has the high moral ground...we are just the survivors. Our only hope as a species is that we evolve to overcome the animal within.

Butch



Going by the logic that all humans initially were only congregated in Africa, when there is a whole world of empty vast land and some of them travelled to explore further vast lands.

Who-ever settled where, were the first! And they are the natives in my opinion. And they were there first.

People that came after them to take over their land, can either choose to be kind to them or basically, devastate the hell outta them.

That's why in the current Myammar situation. I don't recognize those Rohinyas as having any legitimate claim to Myammar since they were illegal immigrants long time ago. But unfortunately, their own origin country, Bangladash, doesn't accept them back either, so they are country-less at the moment.

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 8:17:58 PM   
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The point you missed was that the "Chinese" as we know today only came about in process of some succession of dynasties taking over non-Chinese (like Cantonese, e.g.) in the first place. The original citizens of the original states are no longer "their own people," but now 'owned' by halfwits in Bejing.

Cantonese people are Chinese dude!

Same race! They can be Hakka, Hokkien, Cantonese, Shanghainese, whatever!

They are all Chinese. Just like all the different red indian tribes. They are all red indians, and there are probably warring tribe against each other, but they are all the originators of their land.

That's why I say civil wars, but within our own people.

Like seriously, no cantonese person see beijing folks as "different". The Hong Kong folks may look down on mainland chinese. Because they somewhat developed the British arrogance and class mentality and feel like they have evolved above the mainland chinese.

But still, I think none of them over all would see each other as different.

If against another race, we would all be united as just chinese people.

And you know that cantonese or mandarin or hakka or any chinese-based languages share the precise same writings right? The fact that we all write the same words. Even though we pronounce it differently, is like we are all the same in one big family and as with most big families, there will always be internal squabbles.

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 10:41:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		But, this 'writing language' had to be enforced by some dynasty or another to happen in the first place. Quit trying to tell us that people in the far reaching lands had this all together 1,000 years ago, before they were invaded.

That didn't happen anywhere in the world, not even in backwards China. People had to change or be killed, no different than with Clovis then Charlemagne, then a bunch o Henrys nobody want's to recall.

Again, explain how 1.4 billion all came from 'the same place', being thousands of miles apart in way back times, when nobody gave a shit what happened 5 miles down the road, for two thousand years.


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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 11:05:46 PM   
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Again, explain how 1.4 billion all came from 'the same place', being thousands of miles apart in way back times, when nobody gave a shit what happened 5 miles down the road, for two thousand years.

Can you tell the difference between a Cantonese and a Mandarin person by just looking at them?

I know in the US ya all trying to do away with race pride thingy, because of all the guilt about what you guys did to black people. That ya all wanna eliminate the concept of race. And just be one whole "Americans", rather than defined by your race.

But over here, race pride is alive. And when we look the same, we feel a certain camaraderie.

I notice this is uniquely oriental. Because I know whenever white people meet their fellow whites in Asia, they are not happy meeting each other, even their own country folks. We love meeting our own kind all over the world. Even if it's korean or japanese. (Although to be fair, older generation of chinese folks still hate the japanese for the war, but new generation has no concept of what happened in the past)

And there is a higher chance of a Cantonese becoming President in China than a Native American or Indian American, whatever they are called, to become President in the United States. Maybe the Rock being Native to Hawaii type, can be first native something President. Samoans they are called? Native to Hawaii?





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RE: Science event of the year - 12/29/2017 11:58:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		We selected somebody who was partially/substantially derived from Africa as president, in two elections already. Sorry you missed it.

Let us know when an Indian or Indonesian gets elected as Chinese president, or when anybody in your sector of the world actually gets elected by honest/unobstructed/non-bribed popular vote in the place.

But, you guys are too busy being your (putitavely 'Chinese') aboriginal selves to worry about any of that, but still loving the Japanese, right?

You propose trying to teach us how to do this, like you do it so well yourselves, right?


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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 7:38:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		This has nothing to do with our discussion but this thought just popped into my mind.... In my youth I spent much of my time exploring the wilderness of Missouri. I would spent hours and sometimes days climbing mountains miles from civilization for one purpose...To set foot where it was possible no human had stepped before. I would free climb bluffs and chimneys risking life and limbs just to reach hoped for virgin land under my feet. I couldn’t pass a cave entrance without exploring its depths.

If I was the first, which was doubtful, did I have a claim to that spot for eternity?

Outside the question above have you ever had that thought or desire?

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 8:18:13 AM   
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Again, explain how 1.4 billion all came from 'the same place', being thousands of miles apart in way back times, when nobody gave a shit what happened 5 miles down the road, for two thousand years.

Can you tell the difference between a Cantonese and a Mandarin person by just looking at them?

I know in the US ya all trying to do away with race pride thingy, because of all the guilt about what you guys did to black people. That ya all wanna eliminate the concept of race. And just be one whole "Americans", rather than defined by your race.

But over here, race pride is alive. And when we look the same, we feel a certain camaraderie.

I notice this is uniquely oriental. Because I know whenever white people meet their fellow whites in Asia, they are not happy meeting each other, even their own country folks. We love meeting our own kind all over the world. Even if it's korean or japanese. (Although to be fair, older generation of chinese folks still hate the japanese for the war, but new generation has no concept of what happened in the past)

And there is a higher chance of a Cantonese becoming President in China than a Native American or Indian American, whatever they are called, to become President in the United States. Maybe the Rock being Native to Hawaii type, can be first native something President. Samoans they are called? Native to Hawaii?






I am sure that the Chinese pushed others out. Whatever happened to the Neanderthals etc

No one is innocent, no one is guilty.

The theory that we all came out of Africa is currently being disputed

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-africa-theory-out/

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 9:08:19 AM   
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Whatever happened to the Neanderthals etc

Nothing bad from the bullshit you spend all of your time posting on here, ape boy.

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 9:23:10 AM   
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Whatever happened to the Neanderthals etc

Nothing bad from the bullshit you spend all of your time posting on here, ape boy.


I've got poor stupid little whore boy so wound up he has to howl about everything I post... No matter how benign and innocent

Wound him too tight, I did



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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 9:28:44 AM   
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Whatever happened to the Neanderthals etc

Nothing bad from the bullshit you spend all of your time posting on here, ape boy.


I've got poor stupid little whore boy so wound up he has to howl about everything I post... No matter how benign and innocent

Wound him too tight, I did



Not at all: I find you very interesting on an anthropological basis, and enjoy prodding you to watch your reaction.
It's a shame that you didn't realise that Arthur C Clarke and Leonard Nimoy had stopped looking for you with camera crews until the turn of the millennium, really.

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 9:38:08 AM   
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We selected somebody who was partially/substantially derived from Africa as president, in two elections already. Sorry you missed it.

Africans are not native to America, they are native to Africa. They were brought in against their will as Slaves. I am talking about a Native American President. So Obama is not a Native American President.

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You propose trying to teach us how to do this, like you do it so well yourselves, right?


Are you kidding? Our very first President in the history of Singapore was a Native Singaporean. I mean the REAL indigenous originator of our land! Not a Chinese! He is the face printed in our money practically! Despite being 80% Chinese then! At Independence. Our National Anthem, is in the indigenous Singaporean language Malay. And not even in Chinese despite us being majority. We honour our indigenous people in many meaningful ways.

We already got it right the first time. And then we have had an Indian President already too! Despite being majority Chinese. Way before you guys got Obama. And he is way darker than Obama. Also very well loved.

Come to think of it! For a 80% majority Chinese country:

1st President - Native Indigenous Singaporean of the Malay Race
2nd President - Half White Caucasian probably with British half
3rd President - South Indian
4th President - Chinese
5th President - Chinese
6th President - South Indian
7th President - Chinese
8th president - Native Indigenous Singaporean

Hell our first 3 Presidents isn't even Chinese! Can you imagine in the 1960's, how forward we were as a majority Chinese country to elect all these minority races? We did good!


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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 10:02:11 AM   
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I think the word "Indian American" should never be used for Native Americans, because there are so many South Indians living in the US now.

Those are Indian Americans too, and they are two different races!

So if any native Americans say they wanna be called "Indian Americans", I'd ask them, then what should we call the REAL Indian Americans. Like Americans who migrated from India? I guess then they are called, "Asian Americans" but Asia is a continent and not a country!

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RE: Science event of the year - 12/30/2017 1:33:50 PM   
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Africans are not native to America, they are native to Africa. They were brought in against their will as Slaves. I am talking about a Native American President. So Obama is not a Native American President.


Technically, over millennia, Africans migrated north across the plains of Asia and crossed the Bearing Straights as first occupiers of this land, so suggests the archeological trail of trash. The post-Ice-Age migrants who came up out of Africa and morphed into the Plains Indians are of necessity distinguished from the slave trade Africans who journeyed westward ten thousand years later.

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RE: Science event of the year - 1/1/2018 5:30:39 AM   
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You propose trying to teach us how to do this, like you do it so well yourselves, right?

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Are you kidding? Our very first President in the history of Singapore was a Native Singaporean.


There is no such thing as a "native Singaporean" with out understanding of how many others (how many villages or tribes) were subdued at sometime in the past to come to that "unification" in the first place. Again, all this happened in Europe, Africa, S. America, N. America (doesn't matter what they were called, then or now). And definitely in the Orient. How did people who didn't know anybody 10 miles away for 2,000-3,000 become "Chinese"? By force of whatever dynasty, and no other way. I saw a video where some idiot Chinese student girl was harassing a Tbeten old woman, asking her if she had read her Red Book that she was handed a month before and was expected to learn. The woman had to be at least 85, and the idiot girl hired as Chinese enforcer no older than 20. How fucking clueless can you get. But if you've got 2,000-3,000 soldiers storming up and down the street of your little town every day, . . . who gives a shit?


If you want to be a real idiot, you can be an English person carping on the USA and even Britain, calling it 'America' or calling them "Native Americans" when the same idiots call "Germany" what is actually Deutchsland.

The reason I carp on the US invasion of the Middle East is precisely because I think that we should have learned from the past, NOT that I'm saying "it's okay if the US does it, because everybody else did it." I'm in favor of evolution and progression.

I want a president who is smarter than I am and more well presented than I am, not somebody who appeals to trailer park millionaires and stupid people, or my or your personal indiscretion.

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We already got it right the first time. And then we have had an Indian President already too! Despite being majority Chinese. Way before you guys got Obama. And he is way darker than Obama. Also very well loved.


Your stupid little country was gifted to you by the British.

If the Chinese government had anything to do with it, you'd be living in a concrete slab/tent-cover dorm with Malaysians and Indonesians and all making $10 a day, with cheaply built factories electrocuting or burning or collapsing on workers.

Fuck your way of doing things. There's a reason the rest of the world avoids it like the plague.

The British may have taught micro-dot Singapore or macro-dot Hong Kong how to be "snobby," but you also learned how to keep from killing yourselves for just being at work. Not something the 'Chinese' have ever been much interested in.

Chinese have riots in their worker dorms between people culturally far apart, so quit telling us about 'Chinese' as some unified people originating as one from 100,000 years ago.

It was (and still is) done by force, like everywhere else.







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RE: Science event of the year - 1/1/2018 6:20:16 AM   
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You propose trying to teach us how to do this, like you do it so well yourselves, right?

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Are you kidding? Our very first President in the history of Singapore was a Native Singaporean.


There is no such thing as a "native Singaporean" with out understanding of how many others (how many villages or tribes) were subdued at sometime in the past to come to that "unification" in the first place. Again, all this happened in Europe, Africa, S. America, N. America (doesn't matter what they were called, then or now). And definitely in the Orient. How did people who didn't know anybody 10 miles away for 2,000-3,000 become "Chinese"? By force of whatever dynasty, and no other way. I saw a video where some idiot Chinese student girl was harassing a Tbeten old woman, asking her if she had read her Red Book that she was handed a month before and was expected to learn. The woman had to be at least 85, and the idiot girl hired as Chinese enforcer no older than 20. How fucking clueless can you get. But if you've got 2,000-3,000 soldiers storming up and down the street of your little town every day, . . . who gives a shit?


If you want to be a real idiot, you can be an English person carping on the USA and even Britain, calling it 'America' or calling them "Native Americans" when the same idiots call "Germany" what is actually Deutchsland.

The reason I carp on the US invasion of the Middle East is precisely because I think that we should have learned from the past, NOT that I'm saying "it's okay if the US does it, because everybody else did it." I'm in favor of evolution and progression.

I want a president who is smarter than I am and more well presented than I am, not somebody who appeals to trailer park millionaires and stupid people, or my or your personal indiscretion.

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We already got it right the first time. And then we have had an Indian President already too! Despite being majority Chinese. Way before you guys got Obama. And he is way darker than Obama. Also very well loved.


Your stupid little country was gifted to you by the British.

If the Chinese government had anything to do with it, you'd be living in a concrete slab/tent-cover dorm with Malaysians and Indonesians and all making $10 a day, with cheaply built factories electrocuting or burning or collapsing on workers.

Fuck your way of doing things. There's a reason the rest of the world avoids it like the plague.

The British may have taught micro-dot Singapore or macro-dot Hong Kong how to be "snobby," but you also learned how to keep from killing yourselves for just being at work. Not something the 'Chinese' have ever been much interested in.


Well we do know it's been a great capitalist success [sic]...80% of the population of Singapore, are on some form...of govt. assistance. So they're broke and the US is trying to catch up.


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