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California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 1:49:13 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		California's "hidden" homeless includes: nurses, chefs, and teachers and other middle class workers living in cars and in parking lots because of the state's crazy rental and property prices.

So many people don't realize how many in the middle class are struggling, with basically NO safety nets available.
Many, many middle class workers are free falling.

Middle class people can't get: medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing, subsidized housing, etc. and so on.
I guess the "safe parking program", is a safety net for the middle class.
OMG, there is a waiting list for "safe parking program"!
People have to be put on a waiting list, to sleep in their cars, in the safe parking program.

This article is just pathetic and sad.
"Unbridled" Capitalism at its finest.
Let's see if the rents go down, and we get more "affordable housing", after this big tax reform bill.



DailyMail- Homeless in CA includes many in the middle class



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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 3:04:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is nothing new, and when lawmakers of either party try to address it at the state level, a very vocal, powerful real estate lobby shuts it down.

California is not the only place this is a problem.

Take key west florida, or anywhere on the keys.

A home that would sell for less than $100,000 here in Texas can be listed for over a million and not even be livable.

A room on key west without kitchen privileges can run $800 a month.

There are other cities and regions just as bad, which is why NYC instituted a rent control system, which was supposed to help, but landlords have gotten into the habit of letting buildings go down the toilet so they can have them condemned to be torn down and new buildings built with much higher rents.

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 3:15:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see this as supply and demand. To few housing options and many people who want to live in certain areas of the country. My neighbors son just moved here from the LA area. He got $850,000 for a 950 sq ft home there. Paid $219,000 for a 1500 sq ft home here on a half acre lot.

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 4:15:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
"Unbridled" Capitalism at its finest.


marini, in general I appreciate your gentleness and sense of compassion, but bullshit on that part above.

this is a terribly written article that is completely absent of all the necessary information to make such a judgment.

the headline mentions teachers and nurses (not one nurse assistant) and then doesn't tell the story of any of them.

the headline mentions chefs, and then just says there is one living in a vehicle with his girlfriend, but doesn't say why.

however, that aside, theres no real mention of rental costs or availability in any of the areas mentioned, nor salaries of the people in question.

I believe the article mentioned santa Barbara?

Studio and single apartments range from ~800, to 1500- 1900 dollars a month respectively and are well affordable to teachers and nurses, and all the more so if people go into it with others. Three bedroom places can be gotten for 3200-3600. A nurse in SB makes ~68-90k. teachers start out at ~50k. the nurse assistant for goodness sake is making at least 28k per year. that's very do-able for a studio apartment.

https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Nurse-Salaries,-Santa-Barbara-CA

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/santa-barbara-registered-nurse-salary-SRCH_IL.0,13_IM766_KO14,30.htm

https://www1.salary.com/CA/Santa-Barbara/high-school-teacher-salary.html

https://www1.salary.com/CA/Santa-Barbara/nursing-assistant-salary.html

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Santa-Barbara

There are 385 rentals listed on trulia. Many of them in keeping with, or even lower than, the prices above.

https://www.trulia.com/for_rent/Santa_Barbara,CA/

There is a “safety net” out there---its called friends, family, and other people.

If im “homeless” living in a car in a parking lot, im looking at my friends, co-workers and perhaps all the more in particular, the other people living in cars and saying hey, lets get a 1, 2 or 3 bedroom place together.

or im applying for jobs in places where the cost of living isn't so high.

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 4:23:37 PM   
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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 5:42:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
"Unbridled" Capitalism at its finest.


marini, in general I appreciate your gentleness and sense of compassion, but bullshit on that part above.

this is a terribly written article that is completely absent of all the necessary information to make such a judgment.

the headline mentions teachers and nurses (not one nurse assistant) and then doesn't tell the story of any of them.

the headline mentions chefs, and then just says there is one living in a vehicle with his girlfriend, but doesn't say why.

however, that aside, theres no real mention of rental costs or availability in any of the areas mentioned, nor salaries of the people in question.

I believe the article mentioned santa Barbara?

Studio and single apartments range from ~800, to 1500- 1900 dollars a month respectively and are well affordable to teachers and nurses, and all the more so if people go into it with others. Three bedroom places can be gotten for 3200-3600. A nurse in SB makes ~68-90k. teachers start out at ~50k. the nurse assistant for goodness sake is making at least 28k per year. that's very do-able for a studio apartment.

https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Nurse-Salaries,-Santa-Barbara-CA

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/santa-barbara-registered-nurse-salary-SRCH_IL.0,13_IM766_KO14,30.htm

https://www1.salary.com/CA/Santa-Barbara/high-school-teacher-salary.html

https://www1.salary.com/CA/Santa-Barbara/nursing-assistant-salary.html

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Santa-Barbara

There are 385 rentals listed on trulia. Many of them in keeping with, or even lower than, the prices above.

https://www.trulia.com/for_rent/Santa_Barbara,CA/

There is a “safety net” out there---its called friends, family, and other people.

If im “homeless” living in a car in a parking lot, im looking at my friends, co-workers and perhaps all the more in particular, the other people living in cars and saying hey, lets get a 1, 2 or 3 bedroom place together.

or im applying for jobs in places where the cost of living isn't so high.



Bounty, I agree THIS article did not live up to the headlines.
But, it was a well written article illustrating how bad it is for many employed people to find affordable housing.

:( oh well.

BUT, I know for a FACT, affordable housing IS an issue for many in the lower and middle class, especially those of us that in major cities, or around the suburbs.

In Northern Virginia, almost half the people in shelters HAVE jobs.

DC, Northern Virginia, NYC, Seattle, and many area's of CA, have serious issues with affordable housing.

I recently read some better articles about the affordable housing CRISIS, and I will post a couple.

This is an issue, near and dear to me, and one of my missions is to work
to help address the homeless crisis on the local level.
I will continue to post articles on the homeless crisis, because it is an issue close to my heart.

There is a very serious problem with affordable housing in this country, and it is getting WORSE.


ALL of these article are recent.

Newsweek-Affordable housing crisis, US homeless numbers RISING

Washington Post-America's affordable housing drops by 60%

NPR- Increase in young homeless

Forbes- Rising rents are stressing out tenants

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 6:30:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Bounty, I agree THIS article did not live up to the headlines.
But, it was a well written article illustrating how bad it is for many employed people to find affordable housing.
:( oh well.
BUT, I know for a FACT, affordable housing IS an issue for many in the lower and middle class, especially those of us that in major cities, or around the suburbs.
In Northern Virginia, almost half the people in shelters HAVE jobs.
DC, Northern Virginia, NYC, Seattle, and many area's of CA, have serious issues with affordable housing.
I recently read some better articles about the affordable housing CRISIS, and I will post a couple.
This is an issue, near and dear to me, and one of my missions is to work
to help address the homeless crisis on the local level.
I will continue to post articles on the homeless crisis, because it is an issue close to my heart.
There is a very serious problem with affordable housing in this country, and it is getting WORSE.
ALL of these article are recent.
Newsweek-Affordable housing crisis, US homeless numbers RISING
Washington Post-America's affordable housing drops by 60%
NPR- Increase in young homeless
Forbes- Rising rents are stressing out tenants


What is preventing prices from dropping to levels that are more affordable?

What is preventing more actors (not a reference to performing artists) coming in and bridging the housing gap between rents and incomes?


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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 6:40:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Bounty, I agree THIS article did not live up to the headlines.
But, it was a well written article illustrating how bad it is for many employed people to find affordable housing.
:( oh well.
BUT, I know for a FACT, affordable housing IS an issue for many in the lower and middle class, especially those of us that in major cities, or around the suburbs.
In Northern Virginia, almost half the people in shelters HAVE jobs.
DC, Northern Virginia, NYC, Seattle, and many area's of CA, have serious issues with affordable housing.
I recently read some better articles about the affordable housing CRISIS, and I will post a couple.
This is an issue, near and dear to me, and one of my missions is to work
to help address the homeless crisis on the local level.
I will continue to post articles on the homeless crisis, because it is an issue close to my heart.
There is a very serious problem with affordable housing in this country, and it is getting WORSE.
ALL of these article are recent.
Newsweek-Affordable housing crisis, US homeless numbers RISING
Washington Post-America's affordable housing drops by 60%
NPR- Increase in young homeless
Forbes- Rising rents are stressing out tenants


What is preventing prices from dropping to levels that are more affordable?

There are a MYRIAD of reasons, some of the same reasons that the cost of a college education is out of control.
Greed, corporations, rents rising much faster than stagnant wages, 100 reasons can be found.

My question is, as the number of homeless continues to increase across the country: What and when will anything be done about the lack of affordable housing?

What is preventing more actors (not a reference to performing artists) coming in and bridging the housing gap between rents and incomes?



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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 7:43:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Bounty, I agree THIS article did not live up to the headlines.
But, it was a well written article illustrating how bad it is for many employed people to find affordable housing.
:( oh well.
BUT, I know for a FACT, affordable housing IS an issue for many in the lower and middle class, especially those of us that in major cities, or around the suburbs.
In Northern Virginia, almost half the people in shelters HAVE jobs.
DC, Northern Virginia, NYC, Seattle, and many area's of CA, have serious issues with affordable housing.
I recently read some better articles about the affordable housing CRISIS, and I will post a couple.
This is an issue, near and dear to me, and one of my missions is to work
to help address the homeless crisis on the local level.
I will continue to post articles on the homeless crisis, because it is an issue close to my heart.
There is a very serious problem with affordable housing in this country, and it is getting WORSE.
ALL of these article are recent.
Newsweek-Affordable housing crisis, US homeless numbers RISING
Washington Post-America's affordable housing drops by 60%
NPR- Increase in young homeless
Forbes- Rising rents are stressing out tenants

What is preventing prices from dropping to levels that are more affordable?

There are a MYRIAD of reasons, some of the same reasons that the cost of a college education is out of control.
Greed, corporations, rents rising much faster than stagnant wages, 100 reasons can be found.
My question is, as the number of homeless continues to increase across the country: What and when will anything be done about the lack of affordable housing?
What is preventing more actors (not a reference to performing artists) coming in and bridging the housing gap between rents and incomes?


Well, thank you government! That's the main reason education costs are spiraling out of control.

Did you happen to read Jeff's post about the results of rent control? That's another thank you to government!

Why should wages go up? I'll back the idea they shouldn't go up.... until employers can't find the help they need at the wages they are offering. If they can't find a chef of the quality they want at the wages they are offering, they'll have to up their offer. Until then, they have no reason to increase wages paid. You have to let the Market work.

Are there too many government regulations preventing entry into the supply side of the Market (and I have absolutely no idea if there are or aren't)? If there are, is it greed, corporations, or any of the things you mentioned, or is it government that's in the way (aka, "the problem")?

Prices for real estate/rents won't come down until those looking to sell or rent out can't find customers in the Market at current prices. Why would a homeowner drop the price of his house if he thought he could sell it at that price? Is that "greed?" If no one is renting an apartment because the cost is too high, it's the owners choice to lower the cost of rent. I can almost guarantee you that an apartment rented out at half-price is making more money than an apartment that is vacant. Apparently, landlords haven't felt like there is a lack of renters for their price points.

Is it greed for those people to want to work in that area? I mean, there are other areas, aren't there? Why do they have to work in that area?


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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 8:17:56 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		Maybe you missed the part that this is not just a problem in THAT area.

It is a problem in MY area as well.

Many of the homeless in Northern Virginia HAVE jobs, they can't find affordable housing.
This is a problem in MANY cities and suburban areas.

It is a problem in the D.C./Northern Virginia/Maryland suburbs, California, Seattle, NYC, NJ, and many other area's as I have stated.

Many come to this area for the job opportunities.
It is not uncommon for people in my area to commute 1-2 hours ONE way to get to work.

In many cases, people have to live at least 1 hour away, to find something safe and affordable.
It is not uncommon for people to commute from Baltimore and Richmond in this area.

Again, if you read any of the links I provided it is a national crisis, not just in California.

It is hard for me to believe, you are unaware of this.
Where have you been?
wow
I could post articles all night.

Politifact- 44% of homeless are employed

NYPost-hundreds of city workers are homeless

AP News-- Tech Boom Creates working homeless

Zero Hedge- Homeless Explosion/rising rents create homeless explosion

This LAST article states the Mayor saying he has almost ZERO unemployment, there is not enough affordable housing.

Business Insider- Working Homeless in Silicon Valley

These homeless people work for Google, Facebook and Apple.

Corporations should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Unbridled Capitalism = Greedy, soulless corporate bastards.



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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 8:33:04 PM   
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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 8:47:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Maybe you missed the part that this is not just a problem in THAT area.


Didn't miss anything there, Marini.

quote:

It is a problem in MY area as well.
Many of the homeless in Northern Virginia HAVE jobs, they can't find affordable housing.
This is a problem in MANY cities and suburban areas.
It is a problem in the D.C./Northern Virginia/Maryland suburbs, California, Seattle, NYC, NJ, and many other area's as I have stated.
Many come to this area for the job opportunities.
It is not uncommon for people in my area to commute 1-2 hours ONE way to get to work.
In many cases, people have to live at least 1 hour away, to find something safe and affordable.
It is not uncommon for people to commute from Baltimore and Richmond in this area.
Again, if you read any of the links I provided it is a national crisis, not just in California.
It is hard for me to believe, you are unaware of this.
Where have you been?
wow
I could post articles all night.
These homeless people work for Google, Amazon et.
Corporations should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
Greedy soulless corporate bastards.


Q: Why are rents as high as they are?
A: Because landlords can find enough tenants at those rates.

Q: Why don't "greedy soulless corporate bastards" pay higher wages?
A: Because they can find enough talent at the wages they pay.

You said people come to those areas for the job opportunities? And then you blame the employers when people have to commute long distances or can't afford housing?!? Why would people go there for job opportunities when they can't afford housing?!?

It doesn't matter what area, or how many areas, Marini.

Why are there no lower cost options starting up in areas to meet the demand that's there? I'm going to guess government has some involvement somewhere in there. Markets work, as long as they are allowed to.


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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 8:59:41 PM   
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A massive flood of illegal aliens is one of the reasons wages are so low. Sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, good luck trying to compete and keeping your head above water

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 9:01:48 PM   
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A massive flood of illegal aliens is one of the reasons wages are so low. Sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, good luck trying to compete and keeping your head above water


I am not going to disagree on this one.

There is NOTHING corporations love more than desperate people/and or cheap labor!
They get to keep wages low, conditions bad, and they are guaranteed workers!
Maybe soon, we can replicate 3rd world countries, then the workers can sleep on the sidewalks.

Labor laws, are the only thing keeping them from treating people like slaves.

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 9:01:51 PM   
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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 10:05:21 PM   
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Housing (and land) is slave to the real estate investor class where the forces of supply and demand where the supply of land and houses are reduced by zoning at the behest of the investor...not the home buyer.

My uncle's house Southfield, Mi. just off 9 mile rd., within walking distance from 8 mile rd. (baseline rd. north border) It had 3 bedrooms 2.5 baths, in-ground pool, private in-law apt on the end. (never once even saw my aunt's father)

Had to come down to $69,000. Why ? That's all he could get just outside Det. plenty of supply, plenty of demand...no money.

Same house in Great Falls Va. $600,000. Why ? Plenty of supply, plenty of demand...earnings from govt and private contractors...had the fucking money.

Builders knew they could get what ?...$6,-$7,000/mon. mortgage. Housing is not how much is it, it's...how much you got.

Falls Church, Va. recently the richest city in the US. Now just how did such a tiny little city of 10-12,000 become the richest city in the US ? Builders got white collar working couples to pay $5-$6,000 a month for average 8-1,000 sq, ft. townhouses.

Recessions come, rentals go up, yes up. Why ? Because people lose their homes but still need a place to live.

Real estate...the single most impoverishing cost in American life. Yes, yes, highly regulated supply, reduced to satisfy the investor class...not in the interest of the homeowner.

Loudoun Co. Va, recently the richest county in the US. How ? Same, get Toll Bros,, Centex, Pulte to build 8-10,000 homes 6-$800,000...presto, Now everybody else housing wise...is supremely fucked.

Remember Builder's Square ? I had their RE exec. ask me...'isn't Loudoun co. a bunch of cows on farmland ? Yes and those cows were raising their calves in $300,000-$400,000 homes. Should anybody be surprised that Builder's Sq. soon folded and their owner...K-Mart too. Stupid fucks.

You see housing is going to cost as much as it can and wages are as low as possible.

But hey we all know all of these people choose to be homeless, they choose to be poorly paid and not able to get a roof over their heads.

Fuck 'em if they can't pay the piper...zoning and speculation inflated land and housing prices.


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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 10:09:58 PM   
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So many holes in these arguments.

Housing (and land) is slave to the real estate investor class where the forces of supply and demand where the supply of land and houses are reduced by zoning at the behest of the investor...not the home buyer.

My uncle's house Southfield, Mi. just off 9 mile rd., within walking distance from 8 mile rd. (baseline rd. north border) It had 3 bedrooms 2.5 baths, in-ground pool, private in-law apt on the end. (never once even saw my aunt's father)

Had to come down to $69,000. Why ? That's all he could get just outside Det. plenty of supply, plenty of demand...no money.

Same house in Great Falls Va. $600,000. Why ? Plenty of supply, plenty of demand...earnings from govt and private contractors...had the fucking money.

Builders knew they could get what ?...$6,-$7,000/mon. mortgage. Housing is not how much is it, it's...how much you got.

Falls Church, Va. recently the richest city in the US. Now just how did such a tiny little city of 10-12,000 become the richest city in the US ? Builders got white collar working couples to pay $5-$6,000 a month for average 8-1,000 sq, ft. townhouses.

Recessions come, rentals go up, yes up. Why ? Because people lose their homes but still need a place to live.

Real estate...the single most impoverishing cost in American life. Yes, yes, highly regulated supply, reduced to satisfy the investor class...not in the interest of the homeowner.

Loudoun Co. Va, recently the richest county in the US. How ? Same, get Toll Bros,, Centex, Pulte to build 8-10,000 homes 6-$800,000...presto, Now everybody else housing wise...is supremely fucked.

Remember Builder's Square ? I had their RE exec. ask me...'isn't Loudoun co. a bunch of cows on farmland ? Yes and those cows were raising their calves in $300,000-$400,000 homes. Should anybody be surprised that Builder's Sq. soon folded and their owner...K-Mart too. Stupid fucks.

You see housing is going to cost as much as it can and wages are as low as possible.

But hey we all know all of these people choose to be homeless, they choose to be poorly paid and not able to get a roof over their heads.

Fuck 'em if they can't pay the piper...zoning and speculation inflated land and housing prices.



Let them eat cake and sleep in their cars.

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 10:19:03 PM   
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A massive flood of illegal aliens is one of the reasons wages are so low. Sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, good luck trying to compete and keeping your head above water

.....don't forget sanctuary employers. The real reason we have so many illegal immigrants. They don't come up for the weather.

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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 10:23:25 PM   
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So many holes in these arguments.

Housing (and land) is slave to the real estate investor class where the forces of supply and demand where the supply of land and houses are reduced by zoning at the behest of the investor...not the home buyer.

My uncle's house Southfield, Mi. just off 9 mile rd., within walking distance from 8 mile rd. (baseline rd. north border) It had 3 bedrooms 2.5 baths, in-ground pool, private in-law apt on the end. (never once even saw my aunt's father)

Had to come down to $69,000. Why ? That's all he could get just outside Det. plenty of supply, plenty of demand...no money.

Same house in Great Falls Va. $600,000. Why ? Plenty of supply, plenty of demand...earnings from govt and private contractors...had the fucking money.

Builders knew they could get what ?...$6,-$7,000/mon. mortgage. Housing is not how much is it, it's...how much you got.

Falls Church, Va. recently the richest city in the US. Now just how did such a tiny little city of 10-12,000 become the richest city in the US ? Builders got white collar working couples to pay $5-$6,000 a month for average 8-1,000 sq, ft. townhouses.

Recessions come, rentals go up, yes up. Why ? Because people lose their homes but still need a place to live.

Real estate...the single most impoverishing cost in American life. Yes, yes, highly regulated supply, reduced to satisfy the investor class...not in the interest of the homeowner.

Loudoun Co. Va, recently the richest county in the US. How ? Same, get Toll Bros,, Centex, Pulte to build 8-10,000 homes 6-$800,000...presto, Now everybody else housing wise...is supremely fucked.

Remember Builder's Square ? I had their RE exec. ask me...'isn't Loudoun co. a bunch of cows on farmland ? Yes and those cows were raising their calves in $300,000-$400,000 homes. Should anybody be surprised that Builder's Sq. soon folded and their owner...K-Mart too. Stupid fucks.

You see housing is going to cost as much as it can and wages are as low as possible.

But hey we all know all of these people choose to be homeless, they choose to be poorly paid and not able to get a roof over their heads.

Fuck 'em if they can't pay the piper...zoning and speculation inflated land and housing prices.



Let them eat cake and sleep in their cars.

Median price of a home in SB 2013...$340,000

Median price of a home in SB 2017...just under $900,000

Rents follow home prices and can because why ? Everybody needs a place to live.

Well ok, almost everybody.

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You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
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RE: California's Hidden Homeless/might include your nurse! - 12/26/2017 10:32:15 PM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		I'm not worried about any of this. Nothing has changed since this country was founded. We are free. Free to move. Free to get more education. Free to move for a better job. Free to move to a more affordable place to live.

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