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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Desi,

Edibles are actually easier on the system than smoking anyway. And anyone interested in the medical benefits of marijuana needs to do their homework before making a purchase, just like with any medication.

For me, that's the best part. I can look online and find the perfect strains for the problems I have, and find out about the potential side-effects of them. Florida still doesn't quite have it's shit together concerning medical marijuana; our legislators are assholes.

I am in the process of moving to D.C. in the next 4-6 months.
Since it has been legalized in D.C., I may need some advice on the edibles.
[:D]

I actually agree with K.C. on some issues, pot is often THE gateway drug----> for other drugs.
I have a family member dealing with marijuana psychosis and it is NO joke.
I smoked pot back in the day, and I know it held me back in many areas.
I also indulged in More than pot, back in the day, and some can walk away, and some people ended up in cemeteries.
I am not even going into details here, but as a person who played with fire years ago, I know for a fact POT is a gateway drug for many people.

I don't know of many situations {and I study this a fair amount/and watch Intervention},in which people go straight to harder substances.
Very few people start with: Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Ecstasy, OxyContin, etc.
In almost ALL cases, people started with alcohol/and pot----> then moved on to something "harder".

POT IS A KNOWN gateway drug.

Rehab-international- Pot is a gateway drug
KC I am sorry to hear about your daughter, and those that say pot is NOT a gateway drug are ignorant or lying.
It is one thing for those of us over 50 to dabble a bit, and for younger impressionable people to dabble a bit.


Everyone can NOT handle smoking pot, and those with underlying mental health issues, often do not need to smoke it.
It is a damn slippery slope for many, many people.

But those of us, over a certain age, that live somewhere that it is legal.
Might need just a little bit now and then, to help with medical issues.
JVoV I am serious about the advice, I will need it soon.
I don't want to smoke it, but I think a brownie/or cookie, every now and then, might be okay.
[:D]
I will make it a point to come here, when I have my brownie.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I smoked pot and did more than pot in the late 70s and 80s.

I personally know people who have died/and or have ruined lives due to drugs.
Its only GOD's grace/and luck I am still on the earth.

They all started with alcohol and pot.

We can agree to disagree, here.

Peace

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I smoked pot and did more than pot in the late 70s and 80s.

I personally know people who have died/and or have ruined lives due to drugs.
Its only GOD's grace/and luck I am still on the earth.

They all started with alcohol and pot.

We can agree to disagree, here.

Peace

I think I've only ever met one junkie who would have anything to do with marijuana: most of them seem to view dope as a wanker's drug for students and lightweights.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Desi,

Edibles are actually easier on the system than smoking anyway. And anyone interested in the medical benefits of marijuana needs to do their homework before making a purchase, just like with any medication.

For me, that's the best part. I can look online and find the perfect strains for the problems I have, and find out about the potential side-effects of them. Florida still doesn't quite have it's shit together concerning medical marijuana; our legislators are assholes.

I am in the process of moving to D.C. in the next 4-6 months.
Since it has been legalized in D.C., I may need some advice on the edibles.
[:D]

I actually agree with K.C. on some issues, pot is often THE gateway drug----> for other drugs.
I have a family member dealing with marijuana psychosis and it is NO joke.
I smoked pot back in the day, and I know it held me back in many areas.
I also indulged in More than pot, back in the day, and some can walk away, and some people ended up in cemeteries.
I am not even going into details here, but as a person who played with fire years ago, I know for a fact POT is a gateway drug for many people.

I don't know of many situations {and I study this a fair amount/and watch Intervention},in which people go straight to harder substances.
Very few people start with: Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Ecstasy, OxyContin, etc.
In almost ALL cases, people started with alcohol/and pot----> then moved on to something "harder".

POT IS A KNOWN gateway drug.

Rehab-international- Pot is a gateway drug
KC I am sorry to hear about your daughter, and those that say pot is NOT a gateway drug are ignorant or lying.
It is one thing for those of us over 50 to dabble a bit, and for younger impressionable people to dabble a bit.


Everyone can NOT handle smoking pot, and those with underlying mental health issues, often do not need to smoke it.
It is a damn slippery slope for many, many people.

But those of us, over a certain age, that live somewhere that it is legal.
Might need just a little bit now and then, to help with medical issues.
JVoV I am serious about the advice, I will need it soon.
I don't want to smoke it, but I think a brownie/or cookie, every now and then, might be okay.
[:D]
I will make it a point to come here, when I have my brownie.

My current cocktail is Jet Fuel in the morning, Wonder Woman OG in the afternoons, and Purple Trainwreck at bedtime. Dosing with edibles can be tricky, depending on the quality and potency of the extract, especially because it takes longer to "kick in" than smoking. Only douchebags vape, so don't even think it. :P

As for gateway drugs, well, I'll likely be on pain medications of some sort for the rest of my life. Hell, I'm on morphine patches already, and have a standby of Belladonna suppositories for breakthrough pain, along with a plethora of other pills.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
As for gateway drugs, well, I'll likely be on pain medications of some sort for the rest of my life. Hell, I'm on morphine patches already, and have a standby of Belladonna suppositories for breakthrough pain, along with a plethora of other pills.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
As for gateway drugs, well, I'll likely be on pain medications of some sort for the rest of my life. Hell, I'm on morphine patches already, and have a standby of Belladonna suppositories for breakthrough pain, along with a plethora of other pills.

Good God, man!! You've got some nasty shit going on there! Sorry to hear it. I wouldn't wish chronic pain on anyone.

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ORIGINAL: Marini
I will stand on the side of those that work in recovery, and I will stand on my own side, because I myself started with the "gateway drugs" of alcohol and pot, and moved on to other things.
No one can tell me not to "believe" in my truth.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Marini
I will stand on the side of those that work in recovery, and I will stand on my own side, because I myself started with the "gateway drugs" of alcohol and pot, and moved on to other things.
No one can tell me not to "believe" in my truth.

Why not? You've just insisted that the none dope smoking junkies who went straight into prescription downers and heroin without even trying pot I've spoken to don't exist, as apparently all of the junkies started off smoking marijuana and moved onto harder drugs LATER. If your truth is demonstrably not true, you should expect to have it questioned.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Marini
I will stand on the side of those that work in recovery, and I will stand on my own side, because I myself started with the "gateway drugs" of alcohol and pot, and moved on to other things.
No one can tell me not to "believe" in my truth.

Why not? You've just insisted that the none dope smoking junkies who went straight into prescription downers and heroin without even trying pot I've spoken to don't exist, as apparently all of the junkies started off smoking marijuana and moved onto harder drugs LATER. If your truth is demonstrably not true, you should expect to have it questioned.

I said that many people start with Gateway drugs, such as pot and alcohol.
In most people's worlds, some is not ALL.
I have read articles that state, that some go straight to heroin and meth and crack.
Some start with Gateway drugs and some do not.

Isn't it nice, that life can include words like, some?

Happy New Year!

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Marini
I will stand on the side of those that work in recovery, and I will stand on my own side, because I myself started with the "gateway drugs" of alcohol and pot, and moved on to other things.
No one can tell me not to "believe" in my truth.

Why not? You've just insisted that the none dope smoking junkies who went straight into prescription downers and heroin without even trying pot I've spoken to don't exist, as apparently all of the junkies started off smoking marijuana and moved onto harder drugs LATER. If your truth is demonstrably not true, you should expect to have it questioned.

I said that many people start with Gateway drugs, such as pot and alcohol.
In most people's worlds, some is not ALL.
I have read articles that state, that some go straight to heroin and meth and crack.
Some start with Gateway drugs and some do not.

Isn't it nice, that life can include words like, some?

Happy New Year!

You also used words like "truth" and "facts", neither of which are appropriate when you're dealing in generalisations. "Perception" and "trends" would be more helpful in this case, but you made a point of using less qualified terms in post 123. If you get to make sweeping generalisations, so does everybody else.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

If I had not been smoking pot as a teen, I sure as hell would not have even had access to all the other things that came later.

Pot is OFTEN a gateway drug to other substances.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Marini

If I had not been smoking pot as a teen, I sure as hell would not have even had access to all the other things that came later.

Pot is OFTEN a gateway drug to other substances.

Having access is having or being forced to use the 'gateway' the laws demands...you go to a dealer. That dealer has a direct black market financial incentive to get you hooked on something more addictive and more profitable.

The laws forcing pot users to this dealer are the root cause of the so-called gateway. If you could have bought pot from a friend (most retail is 21 min. age) there would be no gateway.

The fact the most in the drug enforcement, interdiction and treatment professionals agree that there are gateway drugs, is because they too are forced to...by the laws.

What has morphine been the gateway drug to ? Nothing, or it's extremely rare and because it's legal, admin. by doctors etc. and does not 'force' one into the deep addictive end of the black market created by the law.

At one time, the US locked up 40,000 doctors for admin. morphine. Now, where is its gateway status ? It doesn't have it because it was taken off the streets decades ago. My whole point.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Marini

If I had not been smoking pot as a teen, I sure as hell would not have even had access to all the other things that came later.

Pot is OFTEN a gateway drug to other substances.

Having access is having or being forced to use the 'gateway' the laws demands...you go to a dealer. That dealer has a direct black market financial incentive to get you hooked on something more addictive and more profitable.

The laws forcing pot users to this dealer are the root cause of the so-called gateway. If you could have bought pot from a friend (most retail is 21 min. age) there would be no gateway.

The fact the most in the drug enforcement, interdiction and treatment professionals agree that there are gateway drugs, is because they too are forced to...by the laws.

What has morphine been the gateway drug to ? Nothing, or it's extremely rare and because it's legal, admin. by doctors etc. and does not 'force' one into the deep addictive end of the black market created by the law.

At one time, the US locked up 40,000 doctors for admin. morphine. Now, where is its gateway status ? It doesn't have it because it was taken off the streets decades ago. My whole point.

Thank you Mr. Rodgers.
You made a great point.
Without the "middle" men involved, you probably are less likely to move on, because you have to go from legal methods to illegal methods to obtain it.
It makes sense, and legalizing it, will stop a fair amount of people from moving on to harder substances.

Sadly, legalizing pot has taken over 100 years, so there are many casualties from it being illegal.
There are people in jail due to possession of pot, are sentences being over turned now?

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Marini

If I had not been smoking pot as a teen, I sure as hell would not have even had access to all the other things that came later.

Pot is OFTEN a gateway drug to other substances.

Having access is having or being forced to use the 'gateway' the laws demands...you go to a dealer. That dealer has a direct black market financial incentive to get you hooked on something more addictive and more profitable.

The laws forcing pot users to this dealer are the root cause of the so-called gateway. If you could have bought pot from a friend (most retail is 21 min. age) there would be no gateway.

The fact the most in the drug enforcement, interdiction and treatment professionals agree that there are gateway drugs, is because they too are forced to...by the laws.

What has morphine been the gateway drug to ? Nothing, or it's extremely rare and because it's legal, admin. by doctors etc. and does not 'force' one into the deep addictive end of the black market created by the law.

At one time, the US locked up 40,000 doctors for admin. morphine. Now, where is its gateway status ? It doesn't have it because it was taken off the streets decades ago. My whole point.

Thank you Mr. Rodgers.
You made a great point.
Without the "middle" men involved, you probably are less likely to move on, because you have to go from legal methods to illegal methods to obtain it.
It makes sense, and legalizing it, will stop a fair amount of people from moving on to harder substances.

Sadly, legalizing pot has taken over 100 years, so there are many casualties from it being illegal.
There are people in jail due to possession of pot, are sentences being over turned now?

Not that I know of yet. I've heard that in the past, a man got 20 years ibn Tex, for possession of a single joint of pot.

There are 1000's I am sure that should be released.

I am predicting a relatively short term infatuation with recreational pot as demonstrated by falling prices in the northwest. Demand takes off as of its legalization, only to eventually fizzle out over a few years,

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
As for gateway drugs, well, I'll likely be on pain medications of some sort for the rest of my life. Hell, I'm on morphine patches already, and have a standby of Belladonna suppositories for breakthrough pain, along with a plethora of other pills.

Good God, man!! You've got some nasty shit going on there! Sorry to hear it. I wouldn't wish chronic pain on anyone.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Marini

If I had not been smoking pot as a teen, I sure as hell would not have even had access to all the other things that came later.

Pot is OFTEN a gateway drug to other substances.

Having access is having or being forced to use the 'gateway' the laws demands...you go to a dealer. That dealer has a direct black market financial incentive to get you hooked on something more addictive and more profitable.

The laws forcing pot users to this dealer are the root cause of the so-called gateway. If you could have bought pot from a friend (most retail is 21 min. age) there would be no gateway.

The fact the most in the drug enforcement, interdiction and treatment professionals agree that there are gateway drugs, is because they too are forced to...by the laws.

What has morphine been the gateway drug to ? Nothing, or it's extremely rare and because it's legal, admin. by doctors etc. and does not 'force' one into the deep addictive end of the black market created by the law.

At one time, the US locked up 40,000 doctors for admin. morphine. Now, where is its gateway status ? It doesn't have it because it was taken off the streets decades ago. My whole point.

Thank you Mr. Rodgers.
You made a great point.
Without the "middle" men involved, you probably are less likely to move on, because you have to go from legal methods to illegal methods to obtain it.
It makes sense, and legalizing it, will stop a fair amount of people from moving on to harder substances.

Sadly, legalizing pot has taken over 100 years, so there are many casualties from it being illegal.
There are people in jail due to possession of pot, are sentences being over turned now?

Not that I know of yet. I've heard that in the past, a man got 20 years ibn Tex, for possession of a single joint of pot.

There are 1000's I am sure that should be released.

I am predicting a relatively short term infatuation with recreational pot as demonstrated by falling prices in the northwest. Demand takes off as of its legalization, only to eventually fizzle out over a few years,

People seem happy enough in CA, I don't see the demand fizzling or fading, only increasing.

NYPost- long lines to buy pot in CA

LATimes- Long lines to buy recreational pot in West Hollywood

Bloomberg- Californians turn out in DROVES to buy legal pot

All I see is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, and CA can use the revenue.

From the Bloomberg article: The market for marijuana in the state, the world’s sixth-largest economy, is expected to reach $3.7 billion this year and more than $5.1 billion in 2019, according to the research firm BDS Analytics. Seven other states and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational weed, boosting a market that Cowen & Co. predicts will grow to $50 billion by 2026, up from $6 billion in 2016.

Good old USA, is manufacturing again![sm=line.gif]

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Prices are coming down because business owners don't like giving 40-70% of their profit to the IRS. First year sales have been more than enough to cover startup costs.

The marijuana industry isn't eligible for the majority of deductions a normal business can take.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/29/irs-says-pot-is-illegalbut-you-still-have-to-pay-taxes.html

And to add to that insult, the millions of dollars in taxes owed to local, state, and federal govt has to be paid in cash. Banks don't want to get involved.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/marijuana-companies-sending-a-huge-cash-roll-to-irs-on-tax-day.html

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Prices are coming down because business owners don't like giving 40-70% of their profit to the IRS. First year sales have been more than enough to cover startup costs.

The marijuana industry isn't eligible for the majority of deductions a normal business can take.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/29/irs-says-pot-is-illegalbut-you-still-have-to-pay-taxes.html

And to add to that insult, the millions of dollars in taxes owed to local, state, and federal govt has to be paid in cash. Banks don't want to get involved.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/marijuana-companies-sending-a-huge-cash-roll-to-irs-on-tax-day.html

You refer to Code 280E, as an enterprise profiting from the sale of a federal schedule I drug.

They cannot deduct operating expenses like payroll, rent, electricity, and advertising, or the high costs of obtaining a state marijuana license. Together, these non-deductible costs account for a substantial portion of the total costs associated with running a business.

As a result, state-legal marijuana companies are taxed at roughly double the rate of businesses in other sectors. Our tax burden is downright prohibitive, and it has nothing to do with the original intent of 280E to penalize illegal drug dealers.

However, I am not sure how this would effect the retail price of pot and accessories. Seems if anything, the prices would be pushed higher.