MasterJaguar01
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1. Gender
Yeah, bullshit on that. "Normal" or traditional gender roles weaken us all as individuals. There really isn't much that is truly masculine or feminine, regardless of what we're taught is "normal". There's just shit that we have to do, and shit we can do. There's a funny meme about homos & lesbians. The homos are asking "Who will make us sandwiches", while the lesbians are asking "What do we do with all these sandwiches?". Yeah, it's kinda like that. A man can do pretty much anything a woman can, and vice-versa. We've had to since time began. Anyone living alone has certain things to do, like EVERYTHING. So we should all be prepared to make our own damn sandwiches. Or we go to Subway and let them do it. Everyone needs to learn how to be utterly reliant only upon themselves to know what a blessing it is to have a partner take on some of your burden, as you take on some of theirs. Dudes can cook. Chicks can hunt. Teach the basics to the children, then glass-ceilings won't even matter, much less be as big a deal as they are now.
So, in other words, if we we were having a conversation, instead of you attacking me, you might say. that in your opinion, our society has no critical dependency on any common understanding of Masculinity or Femininity. In fact, the concept damages our individuality. Biological men and women are interchange\able and can perform any role they want to and can interchangably proficient at it without regard to their biological sex or their gender.
And for that reason, you fundamentally disagree with me.
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2. New ways to divide us.
Yeah. Bullshit again. We're already divided. There aren't new communities being oppressed. But just like us kinksters have found one another, so too does every other community that feels "othered" in some way. And sometimes, we've been oppressing them without even realizing it.
I assume, once again, by your attack that you disagree. Sure, I appreciate and respect that minorities are "othered" and not included in the conversation. Unfortunately, in some ways, it is human nature. If someone is in a unique circumstance and that circumstance does not cross paths in our daily lives, it is natural to not consider that people in that circumstance. In the case of homosexuals, now soceity has allowed the vast majority to be openly gay, I have had the pleasure of meeting so many great people who are homosexuals of both genders, I always consider them in the conversation.
NOTE: Please do not include me as a kinkster, as I am not.
My point is that minorities, where they may share a few similarities among themselves about being "othered", they are individuals. And not defined by their minority circumstance. People who are Lesbia, Gay, Trans, Queer (whatever that is), or I, or A (not sure what those are either) are individuals, and not defined by their LBGTQ, etc. letter.
Any time anyone gets a prominent job, it HAS to be noted if he/she is part of the LGTBQ, etc "community". Or if he/she is black, or Latino or FEMALE!!!.
It is time to evaluate people on their merits, not on their race, ethnicty, gender, etc.
Karine Jean-Pierre, the first Black, Lesbian, Woman press secretary has got to be the absolute worst press secretary in my lifetime. Worse than Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and that is saying a lot. I do not care what her biological sex is, or her gender is, or her ethnicity. She is just horribly bad at her job
But "wokeness" creates this alphabet soup "community", saying she is awesome because she is part of this made up community. And she is somehow being oppressed, and therefore we should celbrate her ascension into this role. THIS IS WHAT DIVIDES US.
I know male and female homosexuals, some who serve bravely in our armed forces who differ completely in their political views, their abilities, their personalities, and just about everything else.
There are good people, and there are bad people, qualified people, and unqualified people. NONE of this has anything to do with someone's sex, gender, or ethnicity.
Frankly, I know some homosexuals that are absolutely horrible people, and many heterosexuals as well. I don't know any, but I have met some of the nicest people in the world, who happen to be trans. I have also seen some horrible ugly (meaning their personality) trans people.
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3. Privilege
Yup. Bullshit again. You are guilty of the same knee-jerk reaction as Bosco, because you fundamentally don't get it. "White privilege" is probably a bad name for it. Truthfully, it's majority privilege, and can apply in any environment and can shift with the majority in that environment.
I once went into a barbershop and was refused service by a Black barber with him saying "I don't know how to cut white people hair." The owner (also Black) cut my hair, luckily. I was in my early 20's and really just needed a trim anyway, and didn't think it was that damn hard. But, because of my race, I was the minority. If it shouldn't matter to me what race my barber is, I didn't think it should matter what race I was as a customer. Mind you, I hadn't even done anything but walked in, checked in, and sat down in the waiting area at that point.
Discrimination. Based on my race. In the late 1990's. Ouch. I wasn't ready for that. And as minor as it may have seemed, that's what has been done to a multitude of people in this country. For some stupid ass reasons.
But it was white privilege that had kept me from being discriminated against because of my race prior to that. I had gone to mostly white schools, and EPCOT lets you drink all around the world. I had been exposed to Italians, Indians, Mexicans, Cubans, Spaniards, Japanese, so many different cultures of the world. But I was totally ignorant of cultures other than my own that are completely American. I didn't know there was a difference, there didn't seem like much of a difference to me on any of the TV shows I watched. And if there was a difference, I explained it away mentally because of the geographic location, not realizing there are cultural differences due to the racial makeups of families. I was somehow totally ignorant that Black America was even a thing. I knew economics mattered. One set of grandparents were dirt poor, while the other was happily middle-class. I knew the struggles of disabilities, and divorce. But I hadn't realized that there could be something as mundane as skin colour that would separate us.
Should a person's skin color matter? Nope. But sometimes it does. The saying "birds of a feather..." is probably the best way I can make this understandable, unless I start singing the theme song from Cheers (were there any minorities in that show at all?). Because it really is that simple. Similar people find each other, associate with each other, and are generally more comfortable in an environment where people seem to be like them. Mostly, because we all have a need to feel safe, to find those connections, to find our tribe. For some of us, that's a lot easier than for others. And the more people are made to feel uncomfortable about who they are, the more they seek a place they can feel comfortable in.
None of this has anything to do with what I said, or the point I made, so you are attacking and arguing with yourself on this one.
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1. Don't confuse sex (male and female) with gender. They wouldn't make size 15EE heels unless there was a market for them. Aretha's Natural Woman or Shania's Man, I Feel Like A Woman can both take on a different meaning when you were born with a penis but still long to feel that way. I'm sure Kermit's It Ain't Easy Being Green would have a different meaning if I thought I should be green.
I went out of my way NOT to confuse sex with gender. That is why I did not do that. My daughter educated me clearly on the difference.
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2. A disease is a virus or bacteria that can cause illness. Something you can catch. Gender-dysphoria isn't that. It may be an illness for some, but for most, it's just a thing. I do recommend seeing a counselor, a therapist, or a shrink, but I'd do that for everybody. Some children may need someone better than their school guidance counselor, and someone better suited for the child's exact issue. I too worry about this new phenomenon we're seeing, because I worry about the children in general. Kids have so many people in their lives that can screw their heads up. And it wasn't so long ago that so many kids were diagnosed with ADHD, so shrinks, teachers, and big pharma could all smile. We shoulda made laws then to prevent possible child abuse by the medical community, but we didn't. So we know that it could be a new kind of abuse. That's what scares the hell out of me.
A little boy that wants a Disney princess dress to play in doesn't mean he's trans. It might just be that he's seen Frozen too many times. Buy some new DVD's. I don't even know how you could tell if a little girl is trans. Maybe she just likes pants better than whatever frufru dresses she has?
I don't think transgenderism should be normalized, but I don't think it should be that big a deal to anyone other than the person going through it. I don't think anyone should use it as a reason to put somebody else down. But kids are fucking evil to each other.
Except for your misunderstanding of the word "disease", I don't argue with any of this. Nor did I in my post.
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3. Homosexuality. Oh, I'm gonna like this one.
Public schools teach what students need to know, but sometimes, they have to teach what the student should already know, because the parent(s) didn't, for whatever reason. More and more children come from families with two dads, two moms, single parents, divorced parents, anything different than the traditional nuclear household. None of that has anything to do with the child at all, but the child must cope with whatever situation fate dealt to them, and accept it.
But children also ask the most random questions. They deserve honest answers, even if the answer is made kid-friendly. No, little Johnny doesn't need to know that his kindergarten teacher gets barebacked at a leather club every Friday by seventeen different guys, but that doesn't mean the child wouldn't ask who the man with his teacher, in a wedding picture.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell is over. In the military, and everywhere. The sexuality of adults doesn't need to be explicitly explained to children, but reality does. Some dudes have sex with other dudes. Get over it already. The Florida Don't Say Gay law is just stupid for that entire reason.
Worse, it forces teachers to out their students to what may not always be supportive parents. A child should not be endangered by their teacher, but that's what this law requires.
Agreed, and basically what I said in my post
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4. The divisive labelling & grouping of people.
Even when I grew up, we didn't have as many outlets for people like me. I didn't even know what being me meant, much less how to explain it to my parents.
Community. So many of us long for that. We have that here. I may not always agree with you, and usually don't agree with Bosco at all, but there is still something that connects us. Each of us continues to show up and talk about the goings-on of the day. But we can't share everything. I don't think any of us are completely honest with everyone at all times. That doesn't mean we lie by omission, we just don't need to make ourselves so vulnerable. The biggest danger possible with each of us finding our own communities is the echo chamber. It can be so easy to listen to people that agree with us that we completely shut our brains down and ONLY interact with people like us, or to disregard someone else's views, because we know the truth.
But we're discussing politics on a KINK site. We've chosen that community. We could just as easily post on Twitter, or Facebook, or some news articles we see. And maybe we do, but we come here too. Because we have chosen this community to belong to.
I have chosen no such community. I choose to discuss politics here. I also subscribe to heteronormative gender roles. I don't find that to be kinky at all.
My point about community was that people felt a human and civic duty to build a community with their neighbors, without regard to their ethnicity, or gender, or biological sex.
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5 Gender again
Pronouns? Yeah, idk. I went through a decade or so calling everybody darlin. Got some strange looks from the construction guys, but whatever. I don't see the pronoun thing as a big issue. He/him or she/her pretty much fits. If they don't fit, the person will correct you, and you can readjust. Your attitude will likely be responded to in kind, if they need to correct you, and it isn't the 17th time they've had to do it today. Although, some people are just assholes, and some people are really just tired of people's shit, so they feel they have to be assholes.
I will not bastardize the language to create made up pronouns for people. That is the way I feel.
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