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BoscoX -> There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/16/2025 5:02:24 AM)


Democrats and others on the left will tell you that POC are too stupid, too backward, and too lazy to obtain ID cards, but I dare you to walk up to any POC and ask them if they're incapable of obtaining ID - see how that goes for you. Here's YouTube video of Ami Horowitz doing just that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swoquzYYwZ8

You need an ID for everything, but POC cannot obtain an ID card? That is a RACIST proclamation.. Another of the cult's blatant lies, right in your face.

But here we go - California Democrats are afraid of losing power, but they have all of those millions of illegal voters... So what do they do?

They BAN voter ID requirements in local elections https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/california-governor-signs-law-to-ban-local-voter-id-requirements/

If you are a member of their cult you are probably good with that, and unquestioningly so.

Keir Starmer is trying to do the same thing in the UK - hold on to power by disenfranchise citizen voters: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14252551/Labours-shameless-bid-rig-election-easing-ID-law.html

The cult's playbook is the same all around the world, and it is literally a cult. Globalism is real, oligarchs control it, the media does their bidding, and they do not have your best interest at heart. They will do literally anything for wealth and power, including destroy populist candidates who threaten their power.

Perhaps I should start a thread on that subject next - the globalist oligarchs who control your life. [sm=marionette.gif]




wickedsdesires -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/16/2025 8:38:16 AM)

It was the Tory Party who introduced UK voter ID for 2024 dumb fuck boscox and solely to disfranchise.
Currently if you vote postal UK you don't need "voter Id" but I expect that will come.

I will give you an idea of the absurdity of UK voter ID some requirements.

For 60+
an older person’s bus pass
a disabled person’s bus pass
an Oyster 60+ card

If you are under 60 then those forms of ID are not acceptable. The reason being is that more people over 60 vote Tory scum party and greater percentage under 60 do not vote for them. And as I said it was the Tory party who intrudced this and to defranchise the UK even further.

BoscoX I am not sure if the Daily Mail is a step up from X, probably is but is competely shit

All British, Republic of Ireland and qualifying Commonwealth citizens meet the nationality requirement to register to vote in UK Parliamentary elections.

Here is a little more You will only be able to register, vote or stand as a candidate in these elections if:

you’re a citizen of Denmark, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal and Spain who is resident in the UK, has permission to enter or stay in the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man, or who does not need permission
you’re a citizen of any other EU country who on or before 31 December 2020 was legally resident in the UK, had permission to enter or stay in the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man, or who did not need permission, and this has continued without a break
EU citizens cannot vote or stand as a candidate in UK Parliament elections https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/blog/changes-eu-citizens-some-uk-elections

In the UK's general election of 2024 voter turnout was estimated to have been 60 percent, the lowest turnout since 2001, when it was 59.4 percent. Between 1922 and 1997 voter turnout never fell below 70 percent, but in 2001 it dropped to just 59.4 percent. Since that low point, voter turnout has gradually recovered and reached 72.2 percent in the Brexit Referendum of 2016, which is still some way off the peak of 83.9 percent recorded in the 1950 General Election. The trend of low voter turnouts in recent times is also reflected in the European elections, which had its lowest voter turnout in 2014 at 42.61 percent.

The 2024 General Election was the first in which four parties gained over ten percent of votes and five parties over five percent of votes. Labour and the Conservatives recorded their lowest combined vote share (57.4%) in the era of universal suffrage, with other parties and independents taking over 40 percent of the votes.

Please note all this is people registered to vote not eligible to vote.
Almost as many people voted as didn’t vote in the 2024 general election
With turnout on the decline it casts doubt over the authority and mandate of our elected institutions, with over 19 million registered voters not turning out and an estimated 8.2 million eligible people missing or inaccurately registered almost the same amount of people didn’t vote, 27.5 million, as voted at this election, 28.8 million.

Scotland has a PR system but that does not apply when we vote in the UK parliamentary election. For the Scottish parliament and local elections you can vote 16+ (not UK 18plus)

Interestingly when the Lib Dems formed a very rare coalition UK with the Tory party 2010 one of their conditions was a House vote for PR. Neither Labour nor the Conservative voted yes. Scotland would have and the UK Lib dems

Labour have been vocal in the past about PR yet they voted nae. The Uk is effectively a 2 party sytem but that is changing now.

If you take 2024 Keir Stammer's Labour won a near super majority yet only attained 35% of UK vote. As do the tories. In the UK 30-45%, if you finish first between those two parties usually gets you a majority.

You could start a thread about oligarch's taking America?

Your Daily Mail link is bullshit and right wing propaganda.

29 million voted
18 million didn't vote
9 million are unregistered

UK turn out was basically 50% of our population

My understanding is that the American right does essentially the same thing boscox?



JVoV -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/16/2025 12:38:12 PM)

Let's play logic. See if you can follow along.

A state issued ID costs money.
If voting requires ANYTHING that costs money, it would then be considered a "poll tax", which is not allowed under the Constitution.

I'm not against verifying a person's identity to process their vote
I am against requiring ANY sort of payment in order to be able to vote.

The solution would be to provide an identification card for free.



BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/16/2025 8:04:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Let's play logic. See if you can follow along.

A state issued ID costs money.
If voting requires ANYTHING that costs money, it would then be considered a "poll tax", which is not allowed under the Constitution.

I'm not against verifying a person's identity to process their vote
I am against requiring ANY sort of payment in order to be able to vote.

The solution would be to provide an identification card for free.


YOUR LOGIC - "Black people are too ______ to afford a state-issued ID, therefor they cannot bank, they cannot drive, they cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol, they cannot rent a house or an apartment or even a motel room, they cannot board an airplane, they cannot get a job or cash a check or do anything else that white people can do."

Racist much






BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/16/2025 8:11:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wickedsdesires
You could start a thread about oligarch's taking America?


Video: 'FEEL THE BERN'

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Comrade Sanders: "Do you think we are moving towards an oligarchy? "

Bessent: "Joe Biden did give the medal of freedom to two of his oligarchs."


https://x.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1880006148495180187



BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/17/2025 7:32:07 AM)


FAST REPLY -

You think the news is real, or that elections are real?

I'm sorry they did this to you.

quote:

After Orange County received received a bomb threat and before the workers were removed from the ballot counting facility an election worker in Orange County, California, counted the same large stack of ballots three times on the evening of November 8th.

Republicans lost a House seat in Orange County a month after the election.


Video - https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1880057920639103037




BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/17/2025 4:51:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wickedsdesires
You could start a thread about oligarch's taking America?


quote:

Billionaire George Soros recently bought 200+ radio stations in 40 markets with 165 million listeners.

Joe Biden's FCC fast-tracked the deal before the November election.

Remember this when Democrats claim an "oligarchy" will form in Trump's America.

https://x.com/CollinsforTX/status/1880015494339874907



wickedsdesires -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/18/2025 5:45:44 AM)

How much does that cost and is voter ID over there?

UK passports need to renewed every 10 years that's about £120
Driving license needs to be renewed when your 75 or some naff.

As voter ID was introduced in the UK you also had the option to apply for a free one which is just a piece of shitty A4 paper with some fuzzy picture on it.

But with all of the above not everyone has them, or pc or phone camera's to take mug shot or send email too.

If you do not have a photo ID that allows you to vote, you can apply for a ‘Voter Authority Certificate’ for free. This is a (trust me its a flimsy piece of a4 shit not even plastic) paper document with your photo on it that you can use to prove your identity when voting in England, Scotland or Wales.

Apply for photo ID to vote
You’ll be asked for:

a digital photo of yourself - check what kind of photo you need on the Electoral Commission website

your National Insurance number

You can still apply if you do not have a National Insurance number. You’ll need to provide other documents to prove your identity, for example a birth certificate, bank statement and utility bill.

If you need help taking a photo, contact your Electoral Registration Office. I don't see those fuckers sending out a photographer

NI number would be something akin to your social security number.

Now with driving license, which not everyone has, with my age group and before it was all paper shit up until around 20 years ago so 2 years ago I finally sent it back to get the photo ID one as I knew I would need that ID to vote. My passport I only renewed once before and its out of date.

In 2024 around 51% of people who could voted in the UK voted. Turnout was around 60%.

Voting should be compulsory. To disenfranchise we are not as bad as USA.







BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/18/2025 5:54:23 AM)


Many states that have laws protecting the integrity of our elections from the oligarchs who control the Democrat Party offer free ID cards, so there is no excuse. Additionally, it is illegal in most places to refuse to produce an ID when requested.

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In most states, failing to produce identification when lawfully requested by a police officer, particularly during a detention or when reasonably suspected of criminal activity, can be considered illegal, as many jurisdictions have "stop and identify" laws requiring individuals to provide their name and basic information when asked; refusing to do so can lead to arrest.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=illegal+to+fail+to+produce+identification


Everyone has to have an ID for everything, there is only one reason to trash election security in this manner - Democrats cannot win elections without cheating.



wickedsdesires -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/18/2025 4:14:32 PM)

For rapists, felons and all manner of criminality, include insurrection and treason?
Who do you have in mind?

Can felons vote in you apocalyptic dump comrade? Trump is a felon Donald Trump's conviction on 34 felony counts?




BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/19/2025 6:04:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wickedsdesires
Trump is a felon


Exactly like Nelson Mandela

quote:

Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison, including time at Robben Island Prison, Pollsmoor Prison, and Victor Verster Prison. [1, 2]
Robben Island Prison [3]

• Mandela was imprisoned on Robben Island from 1964 to 1982. [3]
• He was held in a small cell without plumbing, sleeping on a mat on the stone floor. [4]
• You can take a tour of Robben Island Prison on Google Arts & Culture. [5, 6]

Pollsmoor Prison [4]

• Mandela was hospitalized with tuberculosis in 1988 at Pollsmoor Prison.

Victor Verster Prison [4]

• Mandela was released from Victor Verster Prison, hand-in-hand with his then wife Winnie.

Other prisons [7]

• Mandela was also held at Pretoria Local Prison.

Mandela's imprisonment [1]

• Mandela was arrested and imprisoned in 1962 for conspiring to overthrow the state. [1]
• He was sentenced to life imprisonment following the Rivonia Trial. [1]
• He was once South Africa's most wanted man. [4]



JVoV -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/21/2025 7:47:53 AM)

My previous post said absolutely nothing about any race. That's your bullshit spin.

I know from personal experience that it would have been impossible for me to get a ID card from the DMV by myself, due to my vision issues. My driver's license expired on my birthday last year and I couldn't just renew it online, because it was time to get a new picture, plus my previous license was t up to
the requirements of new laws. Some kinda shit they passed with the Patriot Act and all government IDs issues after some date had to have this thing. Idk.

The cost wasn't prohibitive to me, but the experience would have been, had I not had help.

Requiring an ID that the voter has to pay for would be an UNFUNDED MANDATE, which supposedly Republicans hate.



JVoV -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/21/2025 8:45:43 AM)

Trump is supposed to start mass deportations today, with ICE agents raising factories or whatever. The owners of those factories employing illegal immigrants are violating the law as well and should be punished accordingly. That doesn't happen enough to keep people from crossing the border illegally, because they know they can get a job when they get here. That has to be part of the discussion.

I bring that up because you said Black people can't work without ID, but you know damn well that's bullshit.

Opening a bank account requires an ID, but using one doesn't any more. I remember sending my paycheck and my license through a vacuum tube at the bank to get my money. I also know the corner store just what me sign the back of it and as long as I spent $20, they'd just cash it for me, no ID required. Nowadays, checks can be deposited just by taking pictures of them, also not requiring an ID. My Social Security check is direct deposited into my account each month, but I could have had it deposited into any account, or just had it put on a debit card.

In fact, most government. Programs have the option of some sort of card now. And I don't think doing the application for most government programs requires much more than a Social Security number as ID.

Sim3 stores require ID to be shown or even swiped with any age-restrict3d purchase, even an R-rated Blu-ray.l, while some don't, leaving it up to the cashier's discretion.

Sure, ID may be required for most of the things you listed, but there's pretty much always a way around it. Underage drinking and smoking still happens. Illegal immigrants still get jobs and find a way to get their check cashed.

I'm not against requiring voter ID. I just haven't come across a presentation of it that actually makes me be in favor of it.



BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/21/2025 10:37:34 AM)


You are so full of shit - just because Democrats believe in slave labor illegals scrubbing their toilets and voting for their cult’s leaders, doesn’t mean that citizens can get jobs without ID.

The Biden regime flew illegal aliens around the country without IDs, let’s see you go try to fly anywhere without an ID.

You refuse to see.



JVoV -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/21/2025 1:28:43 PM)

This isn't a discussion about illegal immigrants, but voter IE requirements. But everything you mentioned gets done by illegal aliens all the time, otherwise they wouldn't want to come here. So I don't think a citizen would have much of a problem.

I have shown my ID and Social Security card to every company that I've worked for and didn't think twice about it. But I seem to recall one of Trump's cabinet nominees the first term having an illegal immigrant nanny. If be ok with him facing prosecution for that. He hasn't yet.

This is a discussion about requiring a government issued ID to vote though. And you haven't changed my mind on that or presented a plan that does not violate a person's rights.



BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/21/2025 6:05:00 PM)


There is ONE reason to refuse voter ID laws - cheating the vote.



wickedsdesires -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/22/2025 5:03:03 AM)

Any stories I read from America about voted purges its the GOP doing it. ‘The chilling effect’: behind GOP-led states’ efforts to purge some voters from the rolls When it comes to redistricting the bulk of the stories I read tis usually the GOP doing it but I have read a few about the Dems also doing that.

Why does it matter anyway you need to be an America citizen to vote in the big election I thought and instances of non citizen's voting is effectively absolute zero. When trump says 10 million ghosts voted and 100 million illegals he is talking bullshit and yet some American's believe it.

Stringent voter ID is about disenfranchising nothing else.

The UK and probably America doesn't have national identity cards but I see no harm in them after all we all NI National Insurance number - akin to social security numbers I believe.

A new law went into effect in Georgia this month that makes it easier for people to attempt to kick their neighbors off the rolls through voter challenges. Georgia already made voter challenges far too easy. Now, voters in the state face increased risk of losing their right to vote or being forced to defend it at public hearings, and election deniers have wide latitude to spread disinformation and waste election official time. These challenges are fueled by false claims about the 2020 election being “stolen,” including allegations that ineligible people voted, even though all evidence shows there was no widespread fraud in that election.The effects of the new law, Senate Bill 189, are already being felt.

Effectivley paid GOP lackies go through a roll and anyone with a bit sounding black or foreign names gets challenged and then you have to go defend yourself.



BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/22/2025 5:29:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wickedsdesires

Stringent voter ID is about disenfranchising nothing else.


Your racist assumption is that there are certain groups who are far too stupid, backward, and primitive to have the ability to obtain identification

Why doesn't your far left UK Guardian propaganda rag or your literal communist Civil Liberties Union care that these alleged throwbacks cannot fly or bank or get jobs or obtain housing or cash checks or do a thousand other things that white men like you can so easily do



JVoV -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/22/2025 7:03:02 AM)

There is ONE reason to insist on voter ID laws - to make it harder for people to vote.

I seem to remember one of Tru.p's cabinet picks the first time around having an illegal immigrant housekeeper or nanny or whatever. The Hardee's to use. I don't remember anything about that crime being prosecuted.

The great majority of confirmed voter fraud has been done by Republicans, although it is still a very small number.



BoscoX -> RE: There is ONE reason to ban voter ID requirements (1/22/2025 7:37:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV
The great majority of confirmed voter fraud has been done by Republicans, although it is still a very small number.


All Democrats ever do is lie.

They lie about everything all of the time.



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