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SusanofO -> Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 2:48:25 PM)
Is drugging a submissive to play out a forced rape scenario (or to play out any kind of bdsm activity) more common than I am perhaps aware of? Reason I ask... I was having a pleasant conversation with someone who appears to be an experienced and mature Dominant type of person. Even though I am not seeking a partner, this person appeared to know something about some areas of bdsm I've not read much about, and I enjoyed what he was able to share with me. We somehow reached a point where discussing fantasies we had that we hoped one day to make real, and I mentioned that I had one that I knew would never become real, because it's too dangerous. He said what is it and I said: I fantasized about having sex forced upon me with someone while in a groggy, not very alert frame of mind - and then said but obviously that would require being drugged with something, which (I've read) isn't a good idea when engaging in activity (and for me could be dangerous because I take other meds). Then I said that I supposed one could do it when half awake (like first thing in the morning, but that the effect wouldn't be quite the same for me, I didn't think). Then he told me he had done what I was looking for with several submissives and it was very fulfiling for them all. I asked him what kind of drug he'd used on them and he said it was some kind of herbal supplement he slipped into their drinks at his apartment when they came to visit. I think this is a decent person, but this little revelation kind of disturbed me, even though I am sure he was trying to just be nice by letting me know it is possible. He really does strike me as a decent person, overall. I feel confused now, somehow, about having this fantasy. My question: I don't mean to sound like an idiot, but - is doing this to a submissive more common than I am aware of? I am not going to do this now (maybe at some point - it all depends), but am now wondering if this kind of thing is just done but nobody talks about it, really? Any thoughts are appreciated. This conversation jarred me a little, but I am not being judgmental. I'm still kind of "into" the idea, but not sure what to think. I have, however, had pounded into my head via much reading material about bdsm activity that "drugs" and bdsm activity just don't mix and are a big "No", and yet, this still appeals to me, and apparently - some people out there are doing it. P.S.: I am not "into" illegal drugs of any kind. It's the fantasy I am into here (for anyone who is wondering). - Susan

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? (7/30/2006 2:53:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO Is drugging a submissive to play out a forced rape scenario more common than I am perhaps aware of? Reason I ask.. This type of play is more common than most people believe, but it's still not very common. http://www.collarchat.com/m_226339/mpage_1/key_knock/tm.htm Unconscious Fantasy http://www.collarchat.com/m_146203/mpage_1/key_knock/tm.htm hypnosis http://www.collarchat.com/m_287922/mpage_1/key_knocked/tm.htm#287961 unconscious sub http://www.collarchat.com/m_106157/mpage_1/key_knocked/tm.htm#108422 chloroform anyone?

Homestead -> RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? (7/30/2006 2:53:06 PM)
I really can't comment, except to wonder what side effects the drug may have had-and what consent negotiations were discussed before hand.

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? (7/30/2006 2:58:15 PM)
Homestead:Well, he said it was consensual because they'd asked for it, but that they didn't know at which point in the evening it would happen (which was apparently part of the scene they wanted - or he did, he didn't really say). LA: Thanks for the thread references. *Having just read two of the thread references, I am now thinking that being partly unconscious might be a decent way to ease into more Sadistic forms of play for me, since I want to experience that kind of play, but am kind of a coward. Geez- that even sounds bad to me as I write it - maybe that's a "No, No"...besides most Sadists I've read comments from like it when their partner is more awake (and screaming). But it's a thought, anyway. I'd want to be awake for some of it, even if I was groggy for part of it. I am going to have to think about this. - Susan

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? (7/30/2006 3:08:57 PM)
Okay - done reading the threads. I have decided I am still "into" the idea, but - if someone can't tell me what they would be using on me (he said "herbal concoction of mine" - it didn't sound like your typical "date rape" drug), then it is definitely out for me. So is chloroform. I can't take anything that would mix badly with the prescription drug I take now, so this will probably all remain in the fantasy realm for me, unless someone out there has some benign suggestion (like SleepyTime herbal tea)..even certain cold medicines are out. Hypnosis might work - I am supposedly highly hypnotizeable (I've been hypnotized before, successfully). It always struck me as slightly creepy, but in this case, the end might justify the means. Although, a question about using hypnosis does come to mind. If people (supposedly) cannot be hypnotized and then be told to do things against their will, then that would sort of blow the whole idea for me - because the entire idea* attraction of this scene for me is that it's "against my will". Then again, maybe my subconscious will think my brain is saying "No, No" but really means "Yes! Yes"? (joke). Any comments? - Susan

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 3:50:51 PM)
Maybe this fantasy is something that is doable - I just need to find a way to do it. If anyone out there knows how to do this without drugs, please* let me know. Otherwise, it seems hynpnosis might be the only option here. I'm not really against the drug idea (if they were reasonably safe) but I don't see there's a way to gauge how my body would react to them with the other meds I already take, so probably that's a "No" for me. Hypnosis might be okay, I guess I'd have to try it to find out. - Susan

JessieMe -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 4:19:47 PM)
Susan, I have no answers but find your processing through this inner conflict fascinating. If you manage to come to a conclusion on this statement "Although, a question about using hypnosis does come to mind. If people (supposedly) cannot be hypnotized and then be told to do things against their will, then that would sort of blow the whole idea for me - because the entire idea attraction of this scene for me is that it's "against my will". Then again, maybe my subconscious will think my brain is saying "No, No" but really means "Yes! Yes"? I would love to hear what you decided or found out as this has some intrigue to me as well.

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 4:21:52 PM)
Thanks JessieMe. I will let you know if I do. I appreciate your reply, very much! - Susan

JessieMe -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 4:22:36 PM)
And a PS.. if you ever do decide to follow through on this.. PLEASE make sure the person you are scening with has VERY reputable references.. tons of them.. not just one or two.. This is a highly risky position you would be putting yourself in.. also make sure ALL your safe calls are in place! I think we have all come to love you and would not stand to see you harmed. [sm=boxer.gif]

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 4:36:40 PM)
You are sooo sweet to say that, JessieMe. That is nice to hear. I promise I will indeed do that. I probably wouldn't do this with anyone I was not in some kind of committed relationship with, truth be told. It could never be just a scene for me, I don't think. I do need to get more bdsm experience, but don't think this particular scenario is one I'd expect to get near for awhile, probably. - Susan

popeye1250 -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:00:54 PM)
Susan, ahhhh, a "Dilemna" post. I can't think of any way that this could be done without drugs. Even "natural supplements" could cause a problem if too many were ingested! I thought about muscle relaxants like flexiril but that could be dangerous as well and they tend to "knock you out" as I take them for my back as needed and I sleep very soundly when I do. I'd even be hesitant to drive on them. Plus, if you're drugged wouldn't you loose a lot of sensation and not be able to "feel" very much? How about honning your talents as an Actress? How about a "Roleplay" scene where you go into your bedroom, get undressed and out pops a burgler with a clothe of "Cloroform" and he grabs you and puts it over your mouth and nose? You can "act" like your very groggy and put up little "resistance" as he ties you to the bed and rapes you. Or, wear some old clothes you don't like anymore and he can rip them off you! As for drugs or suppliments stay away from that stuff, it can be very dangerous! You can "overdose" on Milk if you drink enough of it. That's the only thing I can think of, sorry!

NastyDaddy -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:04:48 PM)
Drugging has an effect on the brain as a drug is delivered via the bloodstream. One's brain and nervous system can be hindered or even incapacitated from drugs. Pharmaceuticals can and do affect perception and your body's reaction to stimuli. While I would not advocate a Hughie Lewis approach (I want a new drug)... to facilitate a scene or fantasy, there is a possibility of near replication of a drugged affect by simple sensory deprivation. Being bound naked, blindfolded, and having to listen to Slim Whitman singing ''I'll be calling youoooou oooou...'' over and over nonstop on Walkman headphones.... leaving you only feel, smell and taste to feed your brain input data... for you to have to comprehend your environment based on scant little sensory data. If a ball gag is used also, there goes your sense of taste and your smeller may also be affected. Being helpless, forced to listen to Slim Whitman singing loudly in both ears might even be as good as a qualude or two?

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:05:00 PM)
popeye: I appreciate the roleplay suggestion (I do) but - it just doesn't do the same thing for me, I'm afraid. But it's nice of you to think of it. I think maybe being awakened in the middle of the night by surprise is as close as I may get to this, without hypnosis, unless someone has a thread on safe drugs that could be used. Any suggestions are welcome if anyone has heard of "safe" drugs. I'd do my own research on it as well - I just need to know if anyone has heard anything? - Susan

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:09:53 PM)
Nasty Daddy: That's a great idea! I never thought of Sensory Deprivation at all! (Of course I didn't, or you would not have mentioned it, maybe). Thanks. I think, yeah, Slim Whitman might be safe to say would put me into a somnambulized (sp?)state of being, as would Bing Crosby singng "White Christmas" over and over and over and over and over...actually that might cover Sadism, too (he). But - with a ball gag and a blindfold - hey! That just might work - I can actually picture it working! My hope has returned - thank you. Very much. - Susan

TopCurious0 -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:14:37 PM)
May I suggest, if you are going to try this, that you take a dose in a non-scene safe situation to see how it affects you before you try having it when saftey is not the top item on the agenda.

popeye1250 -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:22:18 PM)
Nasty Daddy, LMAO! Slim Whitman? She wants to do a rape scene not a TORTURE scene!!! lolol Good idea though about the sensory deprivation! Susan, have you ever had a bondage hood on? It covers the whole head and you can put ear plugs in your ears as well to almost have no hearing whatsoever. And, if it's locked on ( with a padlock) and there's no possible way you can get it off you'd be totally helpless! Kind of like drugging I guess. Nasty Daddy, you crack me up!

SusanofO -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:26:50 PM)
Top Curious: That's probably a good idea. Thank you. popeye: Good idea about the hood. - Susan

NastyDaddy -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:31:35 PM)
Sounds like a plan Susan... Other playlist suggestions: - Dean Martin - Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow - Theme from 2001 A Space Odyssy - Anything by Jim Nabors (Goober) or Don Knotts (Barney Fife) - The Little Drummer Boy - Frank Sinatra - New York New York - RoadRunner cartoon soundtracks - Zamfir's magic flute - Dolly Parton singing gospel songs - Anything by Emo Phillips - David Allen Coe - You never even called me by my name - Anything by Alvin and The Chipmonks (Christmas Time Is Near) ...or anything you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hate! We'll of course want a report.... good, bad or fuggly...

NastyDaddy -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:35:57 PM)
Slim Whitman was made infamous by a SciFi movie of invading Martians... can't recollect the title, but I think Jack Nicholson played the US President. The only thing humans found that they could fight the Martians with was playing the song I referenced by Slim... after 10 seconds it made the Martians heads explode!

popeye1250 -> RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity (7/30/2006 5:35:58 PM)
Susan, picture this scenario; you have headphones on and are listening to music. You can't hear the rapist as he comes up behind you and quickly puts the leather bondage hood over your head knocking the headphones off and buckles it in two quick motions. (You pre-fit the laces if so equipped, some have them, some don't.) In about ten seconds you are his prisoner to do with whatever he likes.....should I continue?

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