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TeeGO -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/1/2006 9:32:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 i am probably the most difficult 'thing' on Earth to train. so far, no takers. Michael serious question here. Why would a Domme want to attempt to train you? They need a reason, there are plenty of other choices out there. You never show your good side, except maybe a little humor. I don't know a single person on earth that likes to listen to constant whinning. What can you bring to the table that would make a Domme's life better? Remember the headspace a sub needs to exist in is "It's all about the Domme."

zumala -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/1/2006 1:34:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora Transparency is probably one of the hardest things in my mind to train or condition someone to. It's the openness of coming and presenting to the owner where one has erred when she has not seen it, or even where one has considered violating a rule or had thoughts that go against what her rules or protocol is. It is also the compulsion to bring to her thoughts and needs and desires in order to clearly offer to her that which she owns, rather than having to forcibly crowbar or coerce it out of the subject. That's kind of interesting. Personally, I find that I have a tendancy to 'tattle' on myself if I've done something wrong. It's hard NOT to come clean. zuma

MisPandora -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/1/2006 1:40:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zumala quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora Transparency is probably one of the hardest things in my mind to train or condition someone to. It's the openness of coming and presenting to the owner where one has erred when she has not seen it, or even where one has considered violating a rule or had thoughts that go against what her rules or protocol is. It is also the compulsion to bring to her thoughts and needs and desires in order to clearly offer to her that which she owns, rather than having to forcibly crowbar or coerce it out of the subject. That's kind of interesting. Personally, I find that I have a tendancy to 'tattle' on myself if I've done something wrong. It's hard NOT to come clean. zuma It's not a trait I've found very natural in the male population.....

TeeGO -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/1/2006 4:51:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zumala That's kind of interesting. Personally, I find that I have a tendancy to 'tattle' on myself if I've done something wrong. It's hard NOT to come clean. zuma I can't see how a person could be submissive to somebody and not be that way. That's as natural to me as breathing.

MisPandora -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 5:50:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TeeGO quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 i am probably the most difficult 'thing' on Earth to train. so far, no takers. Michael serious question here. Why would a Domme want to attempt to train you? ......What can you bring to the table that would make a Domme's life better? Remember the headspace a sub needs to exist in is "It's all about the Domme." I don't necessarily agree that it's ALL about me, but surely, I don't want to be presented with 101 Reasons Why Not To Take Him On, or "How Awful I Am" by an honest slave. If you're truly that awful, do something to FIX that...or find another calling, or something.

TeeGO -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 6:43:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora I don't necessarily agree that it's ALL about me, but surely... I do not feel a D/s relationship when viewed as a whole is "all about the Dom." The Dom has their resposibilities to the sub. The sub has to feel a deep trust in the Dom, that they will be cared for in the best possible way. It's just once this trust is in place it allows the sub to take his mind to the place where in all his thoughts and actions it's "all about the Dom." I would never go to such a headspace with someone if I did not trust them deeply. That is what I mean when I say that. I know that phrase is thrown about sometimes by others meaning something different so I wanted to clear it up.

Oumae -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 6:47:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TeeGO quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora I don't necessarily agree that it's ALL about me, but surely... I do not feel a D/s relationship when viewed as a whole is "all about the Dom." The Dom has their resposibilities to the sub. The sub has to feel a deep trust in the Dom, that they will be cared for in the best possible way. It's just once this trust is in place it allows the sub to take his mind to the place where in all his thoughts and actions it's "all about the Dom." I would never go to such a headspace with someone if I did not trust them deeply. That is what I mean when I say that. I know that phrase is thrown about sometimes by others meaning something different so I wanted to clear it up. I agree with you TeeGo. I don't think its all about me, both should be fulfilled but it is great when a sub can put the Domme first knowing he can trust in her to look out for him. Oumae

IronBear -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 7:56:22 AM)
I'd have to say that the most difficult and time consuming area to train is trust when a sub/slave has a history of ill use and hurt. If you are prepared for the long term and prepared to invest the necessary time and effort mentally and emotionally, I believe it to be worth the effort..

Flame73 -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 8:19:02 AM)
Well I have to say the most difficult things to train into someone, if they don't already possess it, is a sense of self-worth. I have been motivated to chastise often and severely for a sub/slave daring to insinuate to Me or others that they are not worthy of My attention. I do not have a habit of wasting what little free time I have. I am not saying I do not have the desire to train those who do not, at first, meet My strict qualifications. But I admit to being highly annoyed when someone expresses that they do not feel worthy of My attention. If you cannot view yourself as a valuable person, how can I? I know there are those in the lifestyle who, because of bad relationships, have very little self esteem. I am not saying I expect them to change their spots instantaneously, I know self esteem building takes time. I do feel, however, when I have invested reasonable time and care into a relationship and I am still unable to bolster a value oriented mentality that I have somehow failed this person. I become very disillusioned about the person's desire to better themselves for My pleasure. I am torn on the point of view that D/s should take on a Top motivated "All about Me" mentality. While it's not hard to imagine, as a Domme, I can be self-centered occasionally. But overall I have a deep concern for any person I own and all facets of their lives. I must be able to give them what they need to feel complete, while taking from them what I need to feel satisfied. As with most things in life, balance is key. ~S~

IndigoDadesi -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 2:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TeeGO quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 i am probably the most difficult 'thing' on Earth to train. so far, no takers. Michael serious question here. Why would a Domme want to attempt to train you? They need a reason, there are plenty of other choices out there. You never show your good side, except maybe a little humor. I don't know a single person on earth that likes to listen to constant whinning. What can you bring to the table that would make a Domme's life better? Remember the headspace a sub needs to exist in is "It's all about the Domme." This coming from the man who has the picture which is supposed to show his strength? What ever happened to subs being people first? You havent exactly shown your "submissive personality" in your other posts either.

TeeGO -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 2:49:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Flame73 I am torn on the point of view that D/s should take on a Top motivated "All about Me" mentality. While it's not hard to imagine, as a Domme, I can be self-centered occasionally. But overall I have a deep concern for any person I own and all facets of their lives. I must be able to give them what they need to feel complete, while taking from them what I need to feel satisfied. As with most things in life, balance is key. ~S~ Thank you for putting that so wonderfully. That is what I'm talking about. When I know the Domme feels that way about me, I can trust her completely. Then I can allow my mind to take on the mindset of a sub/slave in regards to I live to please my Mistress, I will do all that I can, be all that I can, to please and serve her completely. My mind is centered on her, to me it's "all about pleasing her." That's balance, the Domme sees it as you expressed it, the sub as I have.

TeeGO -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 2:56:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IndigoDadesi quote: ORIGINAL: TeeGO quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 i am probably the most difficult 'thing' on Earth to train. so far, no takers. Michael serious question here. Why would a Domme want to attempt to train you? They need a reason, there are plenty of other choices out there. You never show your good side, except maybe a little humor. I don't know a single person on earth that likes to listen to constant whining. What can you bring to the table that would make a Domme's life better? Remember the headspace a sub needs to exist in is "It's all about the Domme." This coming from the man who has the picture which is supposed to show his strength? What ever happened to subs being people first? You havent exactly shown your "submissive personality" in your other posts either. I'm just being honest with him. He is his own worst enemy around here. John Warren tried to reach put to him once and help and Michael told him he hated men and wanted nothing to do with them. Michael has consistently blasted wonderful Domme's on this forum as being phony for no other reason than they disagree with him. I'm sorry, I'm just being honest and in an abrupt way trying to help the guy, he truly needs it. I could take on the same stance many have, and just ignore him. But at this time have not chosen to do so. As for not showing my "submissive personality" in my other posts. What can I say? I'm honest and from the heart. Some like me and my view on things, others don't. That's life.

MoonGoddessIsis -> RE: The most difficult thing to train? (8/2/2006 3:27:28 PM)
I have not posted in awhile, yet feel I needed to do so. For Me as most that have talked to Me know it is NOT all about Me. A give and take type of relationship is what I seek. I also know that there are many that would not agree with that. To each his/Her own. I find nothing more of a turn off then a submissive who states he is so hard to train, or is untrainable. It is like going on a first date and looking over lovingly to the date on the other side of the table and stating you sneezed into your hand. Just not a very good start. Blessed be, Goddess Moon

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