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seeksfemslave -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 1:18:59 AM)

Daddy and Rule...sitting here at 9 AM whittlin' and still whacked, but less so, I just wondered what your convoluted fanciful abuse laden rebuttal to my "explanation" for the natural consequences of Population Pressure is ?

NB I have received abuse on another thread for saying something that is technically true but expressing myself in a sardonic, sarcastic way. So maybe it is me after all.

Sacre bleu !



philosophy -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 3:04:05 AM)

"Nature does not deal with that by creating new species over quite long periods of time ,what happens is lots of species members DIE in very very short times Then happy tranquillity/equlibrium returns to the environment. This happens regardless of any convenient parallel niches which may or may not exist."

...........ever heard of migration?...............



seeksfemslave -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 3:28:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

"Nature does not deal with that by creating new species over quite long periods of time ,what happens is lots of species members DIE in very very short times Then happy tranquillity/equlibrium returns to the environment. This happens regardless of any convenient parallel niches which may or may not exist."

...........ever heard of migration?...............



In an unstable pressured marine environment there is at least one place to migrate to when you are dead.....
To the bottom of the sea.



philosophy -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 3:37:33 AM)

"In an unstable pressured marine environment there is at least one place to migrate to when you are dead.....
To the bottom of the sea."

...er......ok seeks, clearly i wasnt talking about dead things migrating. You seem to ignore the current behaviours of animals in order to somehow justify your position. You seem to think that in an overpopulated species animals die and that "This happens regardless of any convenient parallel niches which may or may not exist.". 
Can you give any example of dieback in a species when a convenient parallel niche exists and wasn't exploited?





seeksfemslave -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 5:09:55 AM)

Philosophy..clearly a threatened species will, if it can, move into a parallel niche which is able to support the species as it currently exists. What it wont do is change into a new species.

I have decide to up the ante philosophy and ladle out a little abuse in your direction. It may clear your head. Your arguments are so weak that my suggestion is that you cross a dead sheep with a dead goat and await for a Welsh Wizard to be produced. If that happens I will accept the truth of natural Selection.

I do hope Rule has not moved to a parallel niche. Though I did think that he was feeling threatened so who knows.



philosophy -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 5:51:30 AM)

"Philosophy..clearly a threatened species will, if it can, move into a parallel niche which is able to support the species as it currently exists. What it wont do is change into a new species"

...not immediately no...but once that new niche has put its unique environmental pressures into play the animal may well become a new species.........

"I have decide to up the ante philosophy and ladle out a little abuse in your direction. It may clear your head. Your arguments are so weak that my suggestion is that you cross a dead sheep with a dead goat and await for a Welsh Wizard to be produced."

so you weren't just scared by a beagle, but by a sheep too?



seeksfemslave -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 6:37:45 AM)

Seeks said

"Philosophy..clearly a threatened species will, if it can, move into a parallel niche which is able to support the species as it currently exists. What it wont do is change into a new species"

quote:

ORIGINAL philosophy
...not immediately no...but once that new niche has put its unique environmental pressures into play the animal may well become a new species.........


For which long time periods are required. In which time it will DIE.
This also ignores the point that the species moves into the new niche in its earlier state. Rule I think said that the species will have developed survival supporting characteristics for the new environment in the old environment. Either a fiendishly convenient coincidence  or Natural Selection is wrong.

Another possiblity of course is that ALL survival strategies are developing ALL the time. Again contrary to Natural Selection which posits changes as a result of random events.



Daddy4UdderSlut -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 7:04:05 AM)


Seeks - I have just plain had it with this discussion. It was clear from the start that you were nothing more than a charlatan, a dishonest idealogue. But I have engaged in this discussion for the benefit of *other* community members - I feel that one of the mistakes that legitimate scientists make is by refusing to engage with the ID snake oil salesmen. So, I have done that, but this investment has reached the point of vanishing returns.

If you actually believed what you said, and were an honest participant in the discussion, I could at least respect you, if not agree with you. But from your very first post and in virtually all those thereafter, you have:
  • Deliberately misstated the theory and analysis of the scientific community [:'(]
  • Made an endless string of bald-faced lies about the evidence [:'(]
  • Blatantly ignored points made by others that showed the above [:'(]
  • Used simple psychological tricks, like peppering your posts with snide, derisive remarks and insults, and then when some anger comes back at you, replying something like "Oh, obviously I won that exchange, and so it's all you can do is to insult me" [8|]

So I will leave you to this thread to sell your snake oil.  The stench of hypocrisy is getting a little too disgusting for me.



philosophy -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 7:43:28 AM)

"For which long time periods are required. In which time it will DIE."

i think you need to see the difference between a member of a species and the species itself. i am reminded of the Fat freddy's Cat cartoons and the army of cockroaches........every time they appear some great disater befals them and they die...meanwhile a cockroach general at the back says 'plenty more where they came from'.
seeks, you just don't seem able to cope with the idea that in a big universe in response to local conditions, over a very long period of time, things change.......we call it evolution.
Do you have any explanation of the different varieties of humans (short, tall, black, white) that have arisen to deal with their specific environmental niche? How could such variety be, if species did not evolve to fit changing circumstances?



seeksfemslave -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 9:45:34 AM)

This is the 4th bullit point in daddy's post 388
seeks has......
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Used simple psychological tricks, like peppering your posts with snide, derisive remarks and insults, and then when some anger comes back at you, replying something like "Oh, obviously I won that exchange, and so it's all you can do is to insult me"
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Daddy a beauty of a thread like this is the fact that the posts are conserved and may be consulted.  If you refer back to my first post 135 and then read 136 posted by you nasty daddy you will see that

*************THE FIRST INSULT CAME FROM YOU.************
To talk to a fool proves there are two.
Yes innocent nasty Daddy you responded in the FIRST instance with abuse. This continued over several posts!

It is clear that whether you are a scientist or not you have an emotional committment to your position which is NOT scientific and if carried over into your personal life Not healthy.

Many Brits. claim that Yanks have absolutely no sense of irony. It is certainly true of you.
I frankly couldn't give two monkeys whether you post again or not.



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gooddogbenji -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 9:54:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

Do you have any explanation of the different varieties of humans (short, tall, black, white) that have arisen to deal with their specific environmental niche? How could such variety be, if species did not evolve to fit changing circumstances?



Because God created these variations, then created the environment around them to keep them from dying off.  Cuz, ya know, people aren't dying in Africa.

Yours,


benji



mnottertail -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 9:55:37 AM)

Oh, God...........

To bad you are so far away, you see, I live in Kansas.

C. Darwin. 



anthrosub -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/18/2006 3:24:39 PM)

I've enjoyed this thread for the most part.  Seeks is not going to change his tune nor will he ever participate in the discussion in a consistent manner for more than one or two posts which is unfortunate.  I've asked him very specific questions about some of the things he's said and he either said he had no answer, ignored them and instead came back with some new tangent to discuss, or simply went off on another tirade of gibberish.
 
Debates consist of staying on topic and working over one or two points of the discussion before introducing something else to focus on.  Most people do this naturally but it seems to be a real challenge for Seeks.  An argument is based on a set of statements that support each other but if Seeks' argument were a house, it would have fallen down before it was half built.  He doesn't even seem to care if anyone tries to help him get some of it organized into something resembling a hypothesis.
 
In spite of that, I find Seeks entertaining and hold no hard feelings towards him.  He's a horse you can lead to water but....
 
anthrosub



philosophy -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/19/2006 5:23:30 AM)

"He's a horse you can lead to water but.... "


.........to quote Dorothy Parker, 'you can take a horticulture but you cant make her think'



seeksfemslave -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/19/2006 7:20:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: anthrosub
I've enjoyed this thread for the most part. .......
 
In spite of that, I find Seeks entertaining and hold no hard feelings towards him.  He's a horse you can lead to water but....
anthrosub


I enjoyed it too anthrosub and having to plough through the turgid technical prose presented by the opposition has taught me a lot and convinced me even more that Natural Selection is untrue.

Now as for the evolution of the horse N_ssers say a small 4 legged hoofed aniimal changing to a large 4 legg.......Oh dear I must sit down
H ehe he he he he
Then there's the Giraffe....a likely story........Any sensible small animal would just climb up the tree I say....as some do.
Cya



BrutalAntipathy -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/19/2006 7:25:48 AM)

Geez, I guess that all those supposed transitional forms were just screw ups from a designer with Down's Syndrome then! But what can you expect from a dolt that would put a septic line ( urinary tract ) in the middle of a playground ( vagina/penis ). Can't say that the designer of that had a degree in civic engineering! And boy, what is the deal with designing tooth decay? A moron AND a sadist designer, sheesh!



anthrosub -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/19/2006 8:44:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Now as for the evolution of the horse N_ssers say a small 4 legged hoofed aniimal changing to a large 4 legg.......Oh dear I must sit down


You know it's funny you mention the horse as it's one of the animals where there is an excellent fossil record to show its evolution from a four-toed animal about the size of a large cat or dog to a single-toed animal in its present day size.  Wasn't this something you were asking for a while back?  Do a search on the evolution of the horse and you will find detailed pictures and decriptions.  The horse slowly began using three toes and ultimately its middle toe while the other digits reduced to a set of small bones too short to reach the ground.
 
While you're at it, look up the comparitive bone structure of animals where there are good graphics of the skeletons of a range of different forms.  I've seen at least two good ones comparing a human arm, the wing of a bat, the front flipper of a sea lion, the wing of a bird, and the front leg of a cat.  Every bone is visible in each, meaning they all have the same set of bones (only they have evolved into different sizes with some reducing down to being almost unrecognizable).
 
anthrosub



LTRsubNW -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/28/2006 4:55:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, and the theory that the sun revolved around the earth existed for about 100,000 years.  So what?


(Don't be fucking with me man...)



Level -> RE: God, Darwin, and Kansas (8/28/2006 5:06:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

"He's a horse you can lead to water but.... "


.........to quote Dorothy Parker, 'you can take a horticulture but you cant make her think'



LOL philosophy...... I had never heard that, a classic from Miss Parker.



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