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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 3:28:51 PM

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Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
Bush spends 87billion in Iraq - bad...

War in Serbia
Army deployment of Apache helicopters - 140 million
Navy lanched 430 cruise missiles at 1 million each - 430 million
Air Force B-52 launched 90 cruise missiles at 2 million each - 180 million
750 combat aircraft flying 21,000 millions - 1.7 billion

Do the math ... you are off by a factor of 20x. When a thread points to a single untruth, the whole thread comes into question.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 3:38:44 PM

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your numbers appear to take in only armaments and fuel, and does not include personnel cost nor food nor the original cost of the planes or ships, etc. As they say a good accountant can make any set of numbers say whatever he or she wants them to say. To me it is more the question why was serbia good and iraq bad. No matter the numbers or amount spent where.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 3:57:48 PM

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Puppet-Master Cheney briefed Dubya this morning telling him "Five Brazillian soldiers had been killed overnight in Iraq" Bush leapt to his feet, "Omigod!, five Brazillian is more then five million right?"

I'll take a Rhodes Scholar over a Road-tripper anyday.

LOL Peter, now, that was funny

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 9:09:10 PM

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Once again, Mistress BG makes my day.

How anyone with a liberal bone in their body could fall for the con game being run by politicians pretending to be liberal, like Carter, the Clintons, the Gores, the Kennedys, Kerry, Byrd, LBJ, et al.amazes me.

(Ditto for the conservatives who fall for the propaganda from their 'leaders').

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 9:14:12 PM

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Clinton vs Bush? both are bad....Clinton was too liberal for me....and Bush is just a war-mongerer that has brought no good to the US at least internationally. Both bad.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 9:31:19 PM

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The powers-that-be have invested an enormous amount of money and effort to make sure that the masses remain ill-informed, self-righteous, and polarized with blind party-loyalty.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 9:34:28 PM

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Yeah, gotta love that public school system....

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 10:49:29 PM

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Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
Bush spends 87billion in Iraq - bad...

The war in Yugoslavia met its aims.

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton didn't impose a regime change.

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

This is disingenous. Clinton stopped a genocide. The Serbs were killing innocent muslim civilians.

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Disingenous again. The Chineese embassy bombing was a mistake and the world was behind Bush's attack on the Afghan terrorist training camps.

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

Clinton was was having his dick sucked, Bush was being a dick.

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Mass graves were found in Kosovo though and were full of the victims of Serbia.

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...

You have to be an economic illterate to consider what Bush has done for the American economy as good.

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton supported the programme that made sure Saddam had no WMD and carried on with Iraqi containment.

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Bush's invasion of Iraq has been a fiasco. Calling for regime change by Clinton cost no American lives and no Iraqi lives.

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

This is one to Bush.

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...

America doesn't believe in international courts so one has to wonder why they feel these two people should be on trial. Clinton and Bush are both hypocrites on this score.

Ahh, it's so confusing!

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/3/2006 11:06:53 PM

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your numbers appear to take in only armaments and fuel, and does not include personnel cost nor food nor the original cost of the planes or ships, etc. As they say a good accountant can make any set of numbers say whatever he or she wants them to say. To me it is more the question why was serbia good and iraq bad. No matter the numbers or amount spent where.

Both were fiascos....the Iraq invasion was a bigger fiasco as nothing postive will come out of it, either for Iraq nor for the United States....specially long term.

In terms of Serbia, this country was demonized by the sayings and actions of its leader Milosevic, but he nor the country were "evil"...Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia and many other ex-members of Yugoslavia were just as guilty as Serbia in terms of mass murders, genocide, extra-judicial killings, swapping population, displacement, refugees, etc. Why was Serbia chosen? simply because it chose to undo a long statute under which Kosovo, was an "autonomous" region with "special" rights....why should they be treated better or differently than the rest of the country? communist tyrant Marshall Tito did it to undercut ethnic Albanian unrest in the area. Milosevic revoked it, and together with some thuggery, the ethnic Albanians revolted and even were inviting neighboring Albania to intervene...hence the spiral of chaos and hatred between ethnic Serbs and ethnic Albanians. The US in its self righteous position waited until late in the game to enter, and did so at the cost of bombing Sarajevo, also killing innocent civilians. Clinton and Bush are worthless in this regard, and both are guilty of the same. Seems Americans have forgotten what the founding fathers stated that the US should leave the world alone and not impose on them, and likewise the world will let the US be.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/4/2006 10:24:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: mstrj69
your numbers appear to take in only armaments and fuel, and does not include personnel cost nor food nor the original cost of the planes or ships, etc. As they say a good accountant can make any set of numbers say whatever he or she wants them to say. To me it is more the question why was serbia good and iraq bad. No matter the numbers or amount spent where.

No, what I did was compare apples to apples. The 87 billion number presented for the war in Iraq, only covers deployment and munitions for the initial actions of the war, so I presented those same number for the war in Serbia.

Payroll/upkeep numbers really don't enter into it, as these people would have to be paid and fed no matter where they are. Active duty people at least.

NATO claims the cost of the entire effort in the Balkans was 25 billion, of which the United States contributed 12.2 billion, just under the 13 billion approved by Congress. Where the 77 billion number comes from ... well, who can really know such things.

The conflict in the Balkans was in an area about the size if Iraq, with ten times the population, very rough terrain, with a shooting war that had already taken a huge toll in lives. Six months after NATO stepped in, American citizens were taking ski vacations in the Balkans. We all know what kind of "vacations" Americans are currently taking in Iraq.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/4/2006 1:49:58 PM

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You seem to have left out one key difference.

Clinton was impeached right along side ski-high public approval ratings.

Bush has not been impeached right along side extremely low approval ratings.

Note: Just stating the facts, not that approval ratings are a basis or non basis for impeachment.

Put another way, a Republican Congress will support an unpopular Republican President, but its will seek the blood of a popular, effective Democratic one.

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RE: Clinton vs Bush - 8/4/2006 2:16:50 PM

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<<Clinton was was having his dick sucked, Bush was being a dick. >>

Give me a man who's had a BJ over one that despirately NEEDS a BJ.

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