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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 4:02:45 PM   
Devilslilsister


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Status: offline 		Duh.. yall dun like get it.

Slaves are ppl too.

Same damn needs.  i dun care wtf u say.

OR hell.. if you all cant agree on that.

What do cars need?  They NEED maintence to continue working.  With out the maintence, cars break. 

this is dumb bs.  stop the trip and trust!  And no, i didnt read the rest of the post.  It seemd a pretty easy question to post and then clear up as everyone seems to keep rattling on about some other odd thing...


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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 4:12:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister

Duh.. yall dun like get it.

Slaves are ppl too.

Same damn needs.  i dun care wtf u say.

OR hell.. if you all cant agree on that.

What do cars need?  They NEED maintence to continue working.  With out the maintence, cars break. 

this is dumb bs.  stop the trip and trust!  And no, i didnt read the rest of the post.  It seemd a pretty easy question to post and then clear up as everyone seems to keep rattling on about some other odd thing...



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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 4:13:29 PM   
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Opinions are like.................

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 4:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

You know what they say!

Opinions are like.................


  yep, i know what they say!

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 5:38:06 PM   
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I have a serious problem with many so-called experts david stein or anybody. Just because they may have a blog or a slave or even 2 or more...their opinion is no more informed than mine and all to often, is very casually articulated..as if because I have a slave and a blog, Iam an authority on the subject.
There is little in the kinkosphere that could be further from the truth.
One example, an 'expert' at one blog writes as advice to young female slaves: On the Internet you'll find those who claim to be a dominant lover...pay no attention...they do not exist. They are usually married men trying to get you on the side, or HNG's who couldn't get sex without the net.
 
That is a monumentally ridiculous and prejudicial statement.
 
Before the net, there simply is no discovery of a person's need to serve without first being a seducer, a leader and a dominant lover. There were no profiles, email, chat or blogs. No 'experts' to bestow upon us their great words of wisdom...didn't nned them. It was ALL realtime with up close and personal impressions, signals, responses and action. It was a handshake and a smile. It was what's your name, not your yahoo handle. It was what's your phone no., not your email addy.
 
Iam a man who loves words...the queen's english...they all have meaning and sometimes two. My commentary here is to examine the words and their meaning within the context of 'what a slave needs.'
Historically, slaves were not 'coerced' it was involuntary. Slavery was obtained either through the extortion of starvation or even death...many were born slaves. They didn't need to be coerced...they just were. I agree with a voluntary slave's need to obey and it may well be their lifeblood.

The possibility of contradictory orders with the aid and headstart of the kinkosphere should be discovered and before even meeting for the first time. If this is a problem after relocation into a 24/7 live-in M/s affair, then those contradictions were missed or were not enough to sour the relationship during the online gestation period.

The discovery of 'clarity' should be enjoyed online, in chat and on the phone before the first meeting. A prospective slave shouldn't even be meeting a prospective master for the first time without such clarity.

Discipline is necessary to establish and enforce obedience...that's all. To establish discipline in a person is to affirm in them, the acceptence of submission to authority. I do not and no one should profess to know the fantasies of any prosepctive slave until they are informed of them...the most common of which is almost entirely unknown.

The beauty..the pleasure...the visceral...are just 3 points. It is easy for a person to proclaim themselves a slave...a prospective slave or a sub with slave tendencies and hoping to obtain a collar. Anybody can be a slave (as shown thruout history) just as anybody can play the piano...it just takes desire, training and practice and a good central nervous system. For such a person, it can be safely assumed that vanilla (ordinary) is not enough...not their cup of tea or they wouldn't entertain any thought of leaving the vanilla world and looking to serve another.
 
To describe slavery as a vocation is to suggest it occures by summons..or some sort of invitation...a second party 'calling' not by what slavery is...an internal, personal calling. It is desire...pure and simple. It is a very passionate and visceral desire to serve and obey another. The only problem with a master's ego whether boosted, fed or otherwise is how that manifests itself. It could be a great ego boost or a 'silent' satisfaction for a master and could be kept totally inside. Rituals, protocols and the are likely either taken from folklore and are and rarely, designed by or created by a master Thus, the worship of a slave toward a master is earned by the example provided by the master and the pleasure of worship of such a master is enjoyed by the slave.

 
A master who takes no notice or cares not for violations of rules or orders...is not a master. The shirking of duty by the slave is the failure to instill the necessary discipline by the master that requires strick adherence to any rules or duties. A master need not be 'felt' as spy upon his slave. A master should be totally confident in his domain and that includes simple observations of a slave and only as required.

There is no end to the pontification of experts about other's and in particular...slave fantasies. Those assertions are prejudicial and presumptuous at best. How do the experts know all this about 'most' slaves ? The desire to serve as a slave if sincere...already undertakes to serve in ALL ways determined by the creation of the relationship in the first place. That could be cleaning, other chores and duties as well as the sexual. The rest is conversation.

I have never seen any slave confuse service with being used. Every single slave that claims to seek being used is almost exclusively about the sexual use she anticipates. Obviously any negative connotation by the time of a collaring has long been dispelled. Yes, being used can be all those aspects here and is frankly, old news. One is not normally demeaned, degraded or humiliated by doing something that is liberating and exhilarating.

Being useful:
Like the Peace Corp and other such organized efforts are useful contrasts.
 
Define 'given' slave. Does that mean a slave not of my choice ? My choice of a slave comes first and that will be as a result of that slave having in my mind, already demonstrating what would 'best' serve me. Just what does training mean if it is not to determine just how a slave is to best serve ? Any slave should know beyond the shadow of any doubt that they are fulfilling the desires of the master and that has little to do with whether a particular 'service' is desired or not.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 5:40:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos


In truth, I don't think you and I are in disagreement much at all about the generally true, if not somewhat haughty reply you made to my original commentary on David Stein's quoted texts.


Amayos, i think you are right. And i swear i was not being haughty, the last time i was haughty or fired up on the boards i told a dom "you may tell me what to do when you find me in your collar; think Ragnarok here". Now that was bad, lol.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 5:46:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree whole heartedly with what you say about service being a calling.

The use of structure and it's enforcement.

And of "use" being more about bottom sexual fantasies than anything else.

The clarity aspects are also of the utmost importance-honest and informed consent being ONLY possible after this.

As far as service per se-is that not just about making the life of the master easier in a purely domestic and companionable way? I never did quite figure out why it had to be so corrupted with purely fetishistic activities.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 5:58:48 PM   
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David Stein

Ideally, what slaves need [...] is clear direction, firm goals, consistent rules, unambiguous orders. And it takes a Master with great presence of mind, intelligence, self-control, and self-understanding to provide that kind of environment.

If He (the Master) cannot or will not provide discipline, He has no business owning a slave, just as a parent who will not provide it for a child is unfit for that role.

I wholly agree with these points.

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David Stein
a Master who neglects or wastes a slave's talents is worse than a fool; it is a form of abuse as serious as physical harm or neglect.

Hi, even if permission was not asked for to the author thanks anyway. Good thoughts.


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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 6:20:08 PM   
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irregardless


This is one of my biggest pet peeves... irregardless is not a real word!!! Think about it, irregardless is the same as "not regardless". The illogic....it... hurts me physically.

Please, for the love of all things sacred, read this:

Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.



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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 7:08:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I agree whole heartedly with what you say about service being a calling.

The use of structure and it's enforcement.

And of "use" being more about bottom sexual fantasies than anything else.

The clarity aspects are also of the utmost importance-honest and informed consent being ONLY possible after this.

As far as service per se-is that not just about making the life of the master easier in a purely domestic and companionable way? I never did quite figure out why it had to be so corrupted with purely fetishistic activities.

Nicely put, Homesteader..
I wonder why you have had the experience of slaves who think service is all about sex? Hell, I like sex just as much, and I am a slave minded girl. Other such service, such as making his life easier in a domestic way for example, is to be expected a part of the "job" I always thought. Of course, we are talking about RL situations and not online, of course.

For a slave to finally be able to say "I can begin to see in myself what you saw in me. I am excited by the potential, and how you honor me with your vision. And I will travel with you joyfully, to help make that vision our reality."
NOW.. THATS A BEAUTIFUL THING TO SAY!

Very impressive and inspiring, TY.

Thanks to the OP for sharing!!!!!

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 7:36:06 PM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		I've run across a lot of wannabe slaves who were just deluded bottoms Fawne. The majority poof when anything approaching work is involved. They want a service Top who won't demand more of them than a roll in the hay. Same thing with most alleged "masters"

Whips, chains, and a not so hard on. Not a lot else there, but hot air to puff it all up.

It's all about the work of building a life together. The few fun play moments you get are just to remind you of what it's about. Icing on the cake, but not the cake. It's really just about earnest and caring people pulling in the same direction-rather than wasting time vying for illusory power in a tug of war.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/3/2006 8:23:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		BTW for those who don't know the history the magazines and such that David wrtoe for were PRE INTERNET. These were the magazines that were the source of contacts/ personal adds, as well as some of the first published instructions on how to do what we do safely.

Hardly some self appointed expert on some unknown BLOG. david stein is a genuine part of leather culture history, having been there and done that over a decade before BLOGs were even thought of. 30+ years of experience as a slave in th leather community. Founding member of several organizations known nation wide as educational resources.

But I guess no amount of documented experience, years of activism is enough for some folks.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/4/2006 2:59:29 AM   
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I found this beautifully written piece while i was looking for something else and thought i would share. It was written by a slave. I really love the way this man explained slave needs and the only thing i feel he omitted was love.


mmm k. went to the orinator's site and got through about 2 paragraphs. So here is the scoop as I see it ;-)

Some people think slaves have rights. Obviously the person who wrote this did. Good for him More power to him and I hope he finds what he is looking for.

As far as I am concerned my slave has no rights - other than those I give to her (not into guys). To me a slave is a slave - old school 1400 years ago.

Yin yang, your ideal my ideal...work it out depending on  your specific relationship and be happy if you can.

Conversions are for those that...

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/4/2006 3:41:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ghosttraks

Hi, even if permission was not asked for to the author thanks anyway. Good thoughts.


The place i copied it from did not have the fact that it was copyrighted posted nor a link to Mr.Stein. As soon as Mod 11(thank you again) informed me it was copyrighted and provided the link she posted to the thread i emailed David and apologized. Then i explained how and where it was being used and he gave me retro active permission which i greatly appreciated. He seems like a very nice person and i will be checking out more of his work on his website.

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ORIGINAL: Archer

But I guess no amount of documented experience, years of activism is enough for some folks.


Archer, i think you are right. I have been a 24/7 TPE slave for most of the last 31 years, during this time i served two Masters until their passing and am currently in a collar. I used to love those black and white lifestyle newspapers with all the articles and get togethers listed.

Yes, some of what David writes may be idealistic by some standards but then i believe what we all strive for even in the vanilla world tends to be idealistic, it gives us goals. I found David's writing to be beautifully written as i said before.

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ORIGINAL: Morpheus07

irregardless

This is one of my biggest pet peeves... irregardless is not a real word!!! Think about it, irregardless is the same as "not regardless". The illogic....it... hurts me physically.


Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless


Since it does have a dictionary listing, i learned this word in grade school and neither of my owner"s (Master was an English major, he would have noticed)seems to object to the term irregardless i suggest you save your corrections for your slave or sub if you are a dominant or your owner if you are a sub. I am not sure under which category you fall since your profile is unavailable.

Here is a list of words recently added to the dictionary which did not exist as little as five years ago, maybe you should write the good folks at Oxford and tell them they are wrong.

New Words
Below are some of the new words to enter our most recently published dictionary of current English: the Concise Oxford English Dictionary (Revised Eleventh Edition).

Abdominoplasty, n. a surgical operation involving the removal of excess flesh from the abdomen.

aerobicized , adj. (of a person's body) toned by aerobic exercise: aerobicized Hollywood women.

Agroterrorism, n. terrorist acts intended to disrupt or damage a country's agriculture.
– derivatives

bahookie, n. Scottish a person's buttocks.

Blowback, n. the unintended adverse results of a political action or situation.

Celebutante, n. a celebrity who is well known in fashionable society.

Crunk, n. a type of hip-hop or rap music characterized by repeated shouted catchphrases and elements typical of electronic dance music, such as prominent bass.

Emulsion, n. a fine dispersion of one liquid or puré food substance in another: ravioli with pea and ginger emulsion.

Hardscape, n. the man-made features used in landscape architecture, e.g. paths or walls, as contrasted with vegetation.

hoody (also hoodie),n.· informal a person, especially a youth, wearing a hooded top.

Mentee, n. a person who is advised, trained, or counselled by a mentor.

Obesogenic, adj. tending to cause obesity.

Plank, n.3. Brit. informal a stupid person.

Radge, n. a wild, crazy, or violent person.

Retronym, n. a new term created from an existing word in order to distinguish the original referent of the existing word from a later one that is the product of progress or technological development

Riffage, n. informal guitar riffs, especially in rock music.

shoulder-surfing,n. the practice of spying on the user of a cash-dispensing machine or other electronic device in order to obtain their personal identification number, password,

therapize or therapies, v. subject to psychological therapy: you don't need to therapize or fix each other.

tri-band, adj. (of a mobile phone) having three frequencies, enabling it to be used in different regions

twonk, n. informal a stupid or foolish person.

Upskill, v. [often as noun upskilling] teach (an employee) additional skills.
(of an employee) learn additional skills.

wedge issue, n. US a very divisive political issue, regarded as a basis for drawing voters away from an opposing party whose supporters have diverging opinions on it.

Yogalates n. a fitness routine that combines Pilates exercises with the postures and breathing techniques of yoga.

Zombie, n. 3. a computer controlled by a hacker without the owner's knowledge, which is made to send large quantities of data to a website, making it inaccessible to other users.


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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/4/2006 4:53:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The possibility of contradictory orders with the aid and headstart of the kinkosphere should be discovered and before even meeting for the first time. If this is a problem after relocation into a 24/7 live-in M/s affair, then those contradictions were missed or were not enough to sour the relationship during the online gestation period. 

The discovery of 'clarity' should be enjoyed online, in chat and on the phone before the first meeting. A prospective slave shouldn't even be meeting a prospective master for the first time without such clarity.
 

I agree with you that the computer does help eliminate some of the initial contact issues and it does allow one to do a better job of weeding through prospective partners. Yet t time and time again i have seen this happen, just as in a vanilla relationship you really do not know someone until you live together.

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  Anybody can be a slave (as shown thruout history) just as anybody can play the piano


I disagree with you here, anybody can proclaim themselves a slave but that does not make them one.

I can sit my cat on the piano and he may run across the keys but would we call that music?

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  slavery is...an internal, personal calling. It is desire...pure and simple. It is a very passionate and visceral desire to serve and obey another.


Wonderfully well said.

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  The only problem with a master's ego whether boosted, fed or otherwise is how that manifests itself. It could be a great ego boost or a 'silent' satisfaction for a master and could be kept totally inside. Rituals, protocols and the are likely either taken from folklore and are and rarely, designed by or created by a master 


Some rituals and protocols may be, yet others are often personal to the individuals or develop naturally during the course of the relationship.

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The desire to serve as a slave if sincere...already undertakes to serve in ALL ways determined by the creation of the relationship in the first place. That could be cleaning, other chores and duties as well as the sexual.


While i am a 24/7 slave and i do serve my owners in many ways there are things no matter how much i desire to serve and please them i simply would not do. Does this invalidate my slavery? I think not, all humans have limits.

If my owners wished to push some limits i would not object but there are others, mostly of the ethical type that i would violate for no one.

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  I have never seen any slave confuse service with being used.


Wow! Where are you meeting slaves? Mistress has been shopping for a  straight male or bi or lesbian female and i would venture to say that a great many of them confuse service with being sexually used. Just mention cutting the grass and watch them disappear.

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  One is not normally demeaned, degraded or humiliated by doing something that is liberating and exhilarating.


True, at least for me; i am happy washing clothes or weed whacking. I can see where any sub/slave may not enjoy a particular chore but still take joy in serving.


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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/9/2006 11:17:02 PM   
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Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Since it does have a dictionary listing, i learned this word in grade school and neither of my owner"s (Master was an English major, he would have noticed)seems to object to the term irregardless



Regardless Versus Irregardless

Irregardless first appeared in print in 1912 as an item in the American Dialectal Dictionary and later in the 1923 Literacy Digest article "Is There Such a Word as Irregardless in the English Language?"

The Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage felt so strongly about lawyers using the correct term that the editor listed regardless and irregardless. The dictionary clearly explains the correct usage for both of these words. Regardless (=without regard to) should not be used for despite (=in spite of). E.g., "The appellants voted to reject the plan, reiterating the grounds for their suit against Martin; regardless of [read "despite’] the appellants vote, the plan was approved by two-thirds of the creditors voting for the plan." Irregardless is a "semiliterate word formed from irrespective and regardless that should long ago have been stamped out." Irregardless is common enough in speech in the U.S. that it has found its way into judicial opinions. The U.S. Supreme Court’s Chief Justice William Rehnquist "upbraided a lawyer who used irregardless, saying: "I feel bound to inform you there is no word irregardless in the English language. The word is regardless. Linguistic Fastidiousness is no less important in oral than written argument."

The American English Usage Dictionary based on Fowler’s Modern English Usage briefly chastens the word irregardless. Nicholson says the word seldom gets in print, but is "occasionally heard in speech from people who should know better." She strongly suggests that the readers use the word regardless in its place.

The Encyclopedic Dictionary of English Usage states that irregardless is an "incorrect form of regardless." The correct form, regardless, is an adjective and should be used with the word "of".

The Concise Dictionary of American Grammar and Usage compactly states that irregardless is a "faulty mixed construction made from irrespective and regardless."

The Reader’s Digest Success With Words: A Guide to the American Language defines irregardless as a "nonstandard or humorous usage." Another Reader’s Digest word book Write Better, Speaker Better, states categorically, "There is no such word as irregardless . . . The usage writer offers judgments and recommendations, and behind statements that such words as irregardless, normalcy, or hopefully ‘don’t exist,’ you must always understand an implication that in the writer’s opinion they should not exist because they are bad English." Mr. Davies recommendation is: "Don’t say or write irregardless unless you don’t care what your audience may think."

The third edition of the American Heritage Dictionary lists both regardless and irregardless. It states that regardless is an adverb that means "in spite of everything, anyway: continues to work regardless. As an adjective, it means "heedless; unmindful." Regardless of is a preposition that means in spite of, with no heed to: freedom for all, regardless of race or creed. Irregardless is listed as a Non-Standard adverb and gives one of American Heritage Dictionary’s famous USAGE NOTES:

The label Non-Standard does only approximate justice to the status of IRREGARDLESS. More precisely, it is a form that many people mistakenly believe to be a correct usage in formal style but that in fact has no legitimate antecedents in either standard or nonstandard varieties. (The word was likely coined from a blend of irrespective and regardless.) Perhaps this is why critics have sometimes insisted that there is "no such word" as irregardless, a charge they would not level at a bona fide non-standard word such as ain’t, which has an ancient genealogy.

Irregardless is one of those words that is either used naturally without a person realizing he has used or heard it. Or–When the word irregardless is used in speech or is used in writing, the hearer or reader wants to gouge out the tongue of the user. Even Windows 97 highlights irregardless as a usage problem and suggests regardless instead. The consensus is do not use irregardless unless you do not care about what others think about you. If you do care what others think about you, use regardless in your speech and writing. However, the status of irregardless may be changing. This word is less that 100 years old, but seems to be gaining popularity, even among the educated. Irregardless is appearing in speech and print more frequently. Maybe this is one of those words that some of us will just have to get used to hearing, IRREGARDLESS of how we feel about it.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/10/2006 4:47:49 AM   
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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/10/2006 5:07:58 AM   
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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/10/2006 6:21:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Morpheus07
Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.


Please quote your sources or link to them.

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RE: What a slave needs. - 8/10/2006 6:27:13 AM   
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