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Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 6:39:49 AM   
Bimex35


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Status: offline 		Hello, I am just curious to know as a novice slave eager to learn. Do masters or Mistress or couples seek a permanent male slave to serve in their house or dungeon on a 24/7 without letting the slave work or get out or is it fantasy. I ask because some ads tell you about 24/7 and about ppermanent live in and I would like to know if this is really real, i mean if there are actually male slaves who serve 24/7 in a live in situation and in a permanent way as slaves with no rights and no freedom or if that is something from the past?
Than you Mistresses or Masters for your time.
slave carlos
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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 7:22:17 AM   
MisPandora


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Status: offline 		Sounds like a fantasy to me, however, I 'd guess if the Owner had limitless funds, or the slave had a trust fund or retired wealthy, it'd be possible.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 7:52:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 24/7 part as well as the stay-at-home part is very real. The no limits part is real, given proper negotition. As for not being let out, that's a fantasy, in my opinion, or should be. Isolation is a huge red flag for abuse. Also, it sounds like you want to be caged all the time and such. That's not practical and can be dangerous (what if there was a fire and you couldn't get out while you were alone?).

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 8:06:26 AM   
SaphireLynn


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Status: offline 		well most slaves work outside the home or they go out of the home to run errands or shopping but to live in the home and never leave I do not think so... I have recieved emails from those that want to be chained 24/7 or caged like a animal 24/7 and that is rediculious... how can the serve Me that way... if I call out if they are chained to something or caged what good are they...

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 8:11:15 AM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		Many have live in 24/7 relationships, some even have the slave woking at home, so yes, it can be real.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 8:21:47 AM   
thetammyjo


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Status: offline 		Most folks who do 24/7, in my experience and from talking to them, have worked hard on finding a compatible partner therefore it can very well seem like there are no limits because they alike enough to not be interested in things that might be a hard limit for one of them or they might have the same hard limits. Over time our limits do change and as with any relationship the people involved might become more similar in tastes and desires.

I think part of a slave's life is to make the owner's life better and easier so being kept caged up or not allowed outside the house is very, very rare. I mean, I want something at the store I either will send Fox or have him accompany me there to carry things and have his companionship. I also think that fantasies aside, a slave needs to be both useful and interesting -- keeping involved with life helps with those things.

As for permanency, well obviously nothing is forever -- even if you are only parted by death it will happen. Since what we do is consensual and not a socially/legally supported institution each person does have the right to end the relationship. Whether or not they feel they should or that they could is a different matter.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 9:01:41 AM   
Kirei


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Status: offline 		  24/7 and stay at home is real and possible.  The thing you need to do is have no debt!  If your still paying things off, school, credit cards, whatever....then most likely you will be working to pay your old debts off in a 24/7 way.  Most dominants do not have the funds to take on anothers debt in today's world, and in the olden times people(mostly children and young girls) were sold as slaves to pay off debts of the family.
  I do know of couple of slaves that do live 24/7 and are at home slaves, yet both didn't start that way, and when they got to the point of no debt they could become what they truly desired.  So it is 90% of knowing yourself and what you bring to the table.  Are you debt free to live as you desire?  You can live what others in the lifestyle consider a fantasy....but you must be willing to work for it...many subs/slaves aren't willing to really work for it today.  In my opinion the dominant for such a  situation is the last peice in that pie, and a very small one at that.  These are some of the pieces to think about:
1-Being debt free and ready for such a move into a situation. (hardest to achieve) (50% of pie)
2-Defining the situation you wish to live in....done in detail, probably written out, so you have questions to ask, and can know if this is right for you and it will last.(again many don't do this) (30% of pie)
3-Getting a little real life knowledge and experience and making sure you can actually do this both mentally and physically. (15% of pie)
4-Finding the domiant that fits #2 and moving in. (5% of pie)

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 9:43:19 AM   
blckmlslv


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Status: offline 		i, for one, served as a 24/7 (i did work an 8 hour job) for about a year. Outside of my regular work day, i served my Mistress as a house slave and accompanied her to various scene events and parties. Sometimes, i remained at home with her two dogs. It was the most exciting time i have ever had since being in the scene.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 10:38:54 AM   
Evanesce


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quote:

Do masters or Mistress or couples seek a permanent male slave to serve in their house or dungeon on a 24/7 without letting the slave work or get out or is it fantasy. I ask because some ads tell you about 24/7 and about ppermanent live in and I would like to know if this is really real, i mean if there are actually male slaves who serve 24/7 in a live in situation and in a permanent way as slaves with no rights and no freedom or if that is something from the past?


The 24/7 scenario you describe is very workable for about a week or two.  It makes for terrific fantasy scenes but, eventually, the real world is going to interfere.
 
Most dominants, as was mentioned by someone else here, don't have the financial resources to support multiple slaves.  Odds are the slave is going to have personal debt and medical insurance that must be paid.  Even if there is no debt, medical insurance is not cheap.  Neither are groceries and clothing.  Therefore, in most situations, the slave either has a job that provides benefits, or has some other source for covering these needs.
 
Most of the ads you're seeing that speak of "permanent, 24/7, live-in" are looking for someone who wishes to serve, to live in their home, and to become an integral part of their relationship.  It doesn't mean you're going to be bound and beaten 24/7.  That simply doesn't happen in the long-term.  It does, however, mean that every moment of every day, you belong to your Owner, and everything you do is to be done with the thought of how your Owner would want it done.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 10:57:45 AM   
raiken


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bimex35

Hello, I am just curious to know as a novice slave eager to learn. Do masters or Mistress or couples seek a permanent male slave to serve in their house or dungeon on a 24/7 without letting the slave work or get out or is it fantasy. I ask because some ads tell you about 24/7 and about ppermanent live in and I would like to know if this is really real, i mean if there are actually male slaves who serve 24/7 in a live in situation and in a permanent way as slaves with no rights and no freedom or if that is something from the past?
Than you Mistresses or Masters for your time.
slave carlos


Although i am not a Mistress or a Master, i can tell you that no, it is not a thing from the past or an unattainable reality.  It is very real and exists among us today.  Master has a permanent live in slave, who does not work, except to care for his home and office which are attached to the home.  She goes nowhere or does nothing without his permission.  It all depends on the situation, and the people involved, fantasies that become reality happen everyday.
 
~raiken

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 12:40:20 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bimex35
Do masters or Mistress or couples seek a permanent male slave to serve in their house or dungeon on a 24/7 without letting the slave work or get out or is it fantasy. I ask because some ads tell you about 24/7 and about ppermanent live in and I would like to know if this is really real, i mean if there are actually male slaves who serve 24/7 in a live in situation and in a permanent way as slaves with no rights and no freedom or if that is something from the past?
Than you Mistresses or Masters for your time.
slave carlos
Yes I suppose it's possible, but for most, an improbable chance.   For myself, having a male at home 24/7 is not something I desire/seek...  In some ways it would make me feel like the servant.  Someone actually asked me this once, and I said:  the only way I would keep a slave at home (without ever going out to work) is if he lacked any real world skills/profession so that his going to work would almost be a waste of time in terms of real contribution to the household expenditures.  
As for actually being caged and played with on a 24/7 basis, my answer is absolutely not, and to me, it sounds largely like an unrealistic fantasy!    How useful is he going to be to me if he's in a cage, or needing me wielding the paddle/whip all the time?    M

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 4:37:33 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

The 24/7 scenario you describe is very workable for about a week or two.  It makes for terrific fantasy scenes but, eventually, the real world is going to interfere.
 
Most dominants, as was mentioned by someone else here, don't have the financial resources to support multiple slaves.  Odds are the slave is going to have personal debt and medical insurance that must be paid.  Even if there is no debt, medical insurance is not cheap.  Neither are groceries and clothing.  Therefore, in most situations, the slave either has a job that provides benefits, or has some other source for covering these needs.
 
Most of the ads you're seeing that speak of "permanent, 24/7, live-in" are looking for someone who wishes to serve, to live in their home, and to become an integral part of their relationship.  It doesn't mean you're going to be bound and beaten 24/7.  That simply doesn't happen in the long-term.  It does, however, mean that every moment of every day, you belong to your Owner, and everything you do is to be done with the thought of how your Owner would want it done.

Yep.....agreed.  The 24/7 he has in his head is the chained to the house, can't leave, locked in the cage 24/7....not the 24/7 negotiated lifestyle living-together functioning as a household that the other posters are referring to.  There's a huge difference!

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 7:11:45 PM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		As a submissive male, a 24/7 is only a fantasy. There is family, a job, getting ill, relatives funerals and car problems. The list goes on. i would love it but for me it will never happen. i feel very fortunate for the time i spend with my Mistress. poochie

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 7:16:29 PM   
Arslav


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Status: offline 		The real world often makes it hard to find partners for sessions much less 24/7 or that has been my experience.  

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 7:24:29 PM   
Homestead


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But you WILL need to bring more than just your elbows to put on the table.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/3/2006 8:42:11 PM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		My husband has a girl 24/7.... she works...

I think that any person needs outside stimuli.. they need to be able to ground their idenitity in something other than their D/s relationship otherwise as others have said the situation is ripe for abuse both intentional and unintentional.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/4/2006 11:09:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		It strikes me as mostly unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Among other things, you'd have to have enough money to feed the slave in question, who is probably adding no economic value. Also, it would make it difficult to use a slave for things like running errands. I'm surprised any dominant would truly find this attractive, much less a slave. It's probably something that could be done on a temporary basis only. The only times I've heard of it happening in real life is with some sicko kidnappers and the like, who are certainly not in the BDSM world as most of us would understand it.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/4/2006 12:07:13 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		going no where with out permission is entirely diffrent than never ever not even once never leaving the house being chained in everyday every moment of your life he was asking about.

THAT is pure fantasy. I wouldn't have a slave for very long who was so useless to me as to be in a cage allday everyday and I'd have to let them out and unlock them when I wanted something.

Nor would they last long if they expected to be in my house never ever to ever leave or see light of day.
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[She goes nowhere or does nothing without his permission.  It all depends on the situation, and the people involved, fantasies that become reality happen everyday.
 
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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/4/2006 1:15:49 PM   
amayos


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ORIGINAL: Bimex35

Do masters or Mistress or couples seek a permanent male slave to serve in their house or dungeon on a 24/7 [basis] without letting the slave work or get out, or is it [just] fantasy?


It certainly isn't always fantasy. There are some who live this way or earnestly seek it out, though this is not what most have in mind when speaking of "slavery".

Social networks, financial responsibility, employment ties and familial associations are coercions which sustain the societal engagement and transparency of an individual's life. For one to be taken into this form of capture such ties to the outside world must be dissolved—or minimized in the very least. Some would have you believe keeping a slave in this way would be such an incredible burden, both consciously and financially, but that's really not the case if you are truly speaking of slavery and not the brand of alternative romance the term has been associated with in modern times.

Providing basic housing, bathing and feeding isn't such a monumental task in the barest sense. Clean water and kitchen scraps of wholesome food isn't too much to ask either, nor is providing adequate exposure to sunlight and outside air. Being wise in your selection of a prospective slave, having an understanding of resolving basic physical and psychological maladies, in addition to knowing how to train and condition a living, breathing, thinking human being during captivity is important, however. These latter points are where most would and often do fail.

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RE: Permanent slavery - 8/12/2006 9:33:48 AM   
subtill


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Status: offline 		For me its only important that i live in her dreams or in her reality,not what its my own cinemaprogram,only her wants,her thinking over myself are for my life the main think. So its not my question to ask if i am in her cage , if i'm totaly locked up by her , only her saying its important for me,if one day i find a place under a Lady ,who my heart is burning. Love is for me the main thing,what i want to feel. all other are her dream,her reality what happened 24/7 in my life.
But i'm still without a Lady , who be owned myself in future. So i answered also without have a 24/7reality in my sublife.

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