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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/18/2004 6:51:54 AM   
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Hey sis

i really don't know why there is so many bi sexual woman but i can speak for myself :) i have been curious for a long time, not sure if it is something i will ever act on but even before i was in the lifestyle i had thought about it. I even was going to bring in another girl for my husband on our anniversary one year but He said no. (Shrugs -- odd huh?) For me i would want it to be another sub/slave either with a Dom there or not. i think of the experience as being sweet and sensual and not being Dominated by another female. I've always thought having a close relationship with another sub would be great even though i couldn't do actually poly relationship.

Try to imagine a sub friend you are close too and share secrets with. Someone you get emotional support from and being able also to kiss and hold. i have a close friend who is bi and she says there is nothing like the sweet, tender kiss or soft touch of another female. Being Dominated by a Dom with another sub for me would have to depend on the relationship between the Dom and i but i can see how it would expand possibilities on "play". For me i am not interested in it to be more appealing to Doms it is just something i would like to try. There is one sub friend i have talked to a while and we have talked about meeting but with no Dom involved. For us to just explore things together. We have yet to be able to meet :( but i am looking forward to a time when we can.


Since i haven't ever tried it this reply isn't a experienced but JMO
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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/18/2004 6:51:01 PM   
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Maybe I'm bi because I'm so horney that it allows me to have more sexual options.

Who knows just a choice that I made. And because I'm Bi well I pefer being with Bi women. After all think about it. If you're a straight women and the guy is Bi, you can both check out guys together and vise versa if the female date is bi. So as being bi I like the two of us together to look and admire both sexes that walk by.



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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/18/2004 7:37:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: harmony3709

This is an interesting topic for me because the fact that I do not consider myself to be bi has seemed to cause the most conversations and criticism of anything I have encountered since being in the lifestyle for over 3-1/2 years, 2-1/2 of that real time...

The same has been true when I meet people (involved in the lifestyle) or in discussions at munches. There is this look as if I just stated something totally incredulous and then comes the argument about how that cannot possibly be true. I might add that this comes from women and men, subs and doms, experienced and newbies, no matter. If not an argument, then it is that look of amusement, pat on the head and a comment something akin to......that's ok, honey, you keep believeing that but we know different.

I get the same incredulous reaction as well, harmony. It is quite annoying that almost perfect strangers think they know me better than I do; that obviously I'm in denial. lol Why anyone should care, since I'm not looking, is beyond me.

And as others have written, it is the desire, not the act itself, that's important. Women have performed sexual acts on me that felt nice, but so does my vibrator. There is no "pull" in me towards women. It's not a virtuous thing, not a limiting thing; it's just the way I am.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/22/2004 3:16:20 PM   
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I'm bi because I am bi, and what others think about it has nothing to do with it. I can say this from experience because I have been bi (actually I prefer the term 'non-gender specific' but who's quibbling?) since long before it was "socially acceptable," at least in my world.

I am attracted to the person and gender doesn't have any more to do with it than color or religous preference, which is to say not at all for me.



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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/23/2004 10:11:53 AM   
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Like many other posters this is a topic I have given some thought to over the years. I'm not going to offer any definitive answers or even theories, just some observations.

1. I note by observation and research that women are "kissie/huggie" in close relationships with each other in all societies. (I can think of no exception offhand.) Men, by contrast, are back-slappers, punchers, at least a bit rowdy and highly/aggressively competitive in even their closest friendships. It seems clear to me the kissie/huggie tendency is far more conducive to a bi-sexual nature than is the back-slapping/competitive tendency.

subbiejenn said:

quote:

Try to imagine a sub friend you are close too and share secrets with. Someone you get emotional support from and being able also to kiss and hold. i have a close friend who is bi and she says there is nothing like the sweet, tender kiss or soft touch of another female.


2. As subbiejenn so eloquently illustrates, woman may need a very large measure of tenderness. At the same time, the same woman may also need a firm, guiding and controlling dominant male. Definitionally, when one looks at these female cravings - each on an opposite end of the spectrum - one sees conflict. Something is likely to come up short somewhere. A dominant who is soft, tender and cuddly enough to fulfill his submissive's urge to have a soft and tender place in her life is unlikely to (at the same time) have a strong enough hand to control completely and forcefully. Contrariwise, a dominant who is strong and firm enough in the relationship to impart to his submissive a feeling of being protected, guided, controlled and all that resulting in a feeling of peace and security and surrender, is unlikely to exhibit the degree or amount of tenderness and sweetness many women crave by nature. A third person, another woman specifically, can "balance the scales" so to speak in a d/s relationship.

This is one of the reasons I am confident that our relationship, life and love will be (can be) made better, bigger, more full and more whole for both of us if we ever find the right woman to join our life.

3. Throughout the history of humanity, humans have worked closely together in teams. As with any group/team the larger group divides itself into smaller working groups to accomplish specific tasks. This has the advantages of simultaneously accomplishing more than one task for the overall group. And, this structure allows for specialization and enhanced development of individual skills which makes a positive contribution to the good of the larger group.

Often in the history of humanity, these subgroups have been created along gender lines. Initially at least, I am confident this grouping had nothing to with any sort of gender prejudice or exploitation. In the history of our species, our ancestors had no time for such social nonsense. Resources were limited. The world was physically a very dangerous environment. Working groups were organized along gender lines because they were more efficient, and therefore more successful. So, the groups who practiced this were more likely to survive. In these subgroups, men practiced the most aggressive and dangerous tasks. Big game hunting, self defense, war and so on. They developed the skills and the modes of male-to-male personal interaction that facilitated these tasks. Women more often practiced food preparation, gathering, child-rearing and so on. The feminine gender developed and honed skills and personality characteristics that best complimented those tasks.

While males were off hunting and practicing a coordinated attack in which they competed with each other on an individual level within the team attack by trying to be more brave than their fellows, to kill more or larger prey than their fellows or to kill more of the enemy than their fellows, females were simultaneously practicing teamwork in a different situation. Females were practicing tenderness with each other, with their children and with each other's children. Females were doing tasks in which they touched each other often.

All the above does not mean to imply that men are completely void of tendernes or that women are without the internal fire and ability to be a savage and efficient hunter or enemy. We are complex beings. We all have many traits and abilities within us that can come out as the situations we meet require. The above is meant to shed a little light, albeit theoretical light, on how the different tendencies developed within each gender. From there, it may be somewhat easier for us to understand the original question in this thread.

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You are welcome to print or save this post for your own use. Please do not copy it to any public or semi-public forum (including email groups/lists) without my express permission. Thanks. All rights reserved. (I write this postscript because after-the-fact someone wrote to me to inform me that they had copied a prior post I wrote to another list. So, I thought I'd better clarify what my preference/policy is regarding use of what I write.)

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/23/2004 2:55:29 PM   
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For as long as i can remember i have been attracted to women along with men. i am bi but like most here do tend to perfer men. But if i see a woman that is atractive to men in some manner i do react physically the same as i do to a man that attracts me. Now my Master enjoys having multiple slaves and he has had me with others and it has only made me love my Master more. He is such an outstanding Master and i am so lucky to have his claim on me. He and i have discussed why it seems more accepted that women are bi and i believe he has the best answer. From birth children are taught that women are loving, caring and well motherly. So that women would be attracted to each other makes sense. Now boys are taught also that they must be masculine. Not soft, not caring or touchy feelly. Then throw in our current society where if a man even hugs a woman he is at risk of a sexual harassment charge. But if two women hug no-one is upset.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/24/2004 6:09:01 AM   
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Okay I do have to agree with Quivver just a bit. It does get Really tiring to be wanted just for that little word. I don't want to be the center of so many mens greatest sexual fantasy. I love being with women, I would love to be with my Master and a woman, however he doesn't view me as a gateway toward some ultimate sexual fantasy. I'm not the .. hmmm... type and size of woman that a lot of men would find attractive, I hate the idea of being considered just because of my sexuality.
So in answer to so many mens question to me... no you can't watch. And no, I will not go find anouther woman. (My Master never asks for me to go fetch a woman, if he wants to be with more than one woman, he looks for her)
Besides, if it was just that easy to find a compatable woman, chances are we would be with them.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/24/2004 8:19:25 AM   
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Thank you all for your informative and enlightening posts.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 12/30/2004 10:50:01 PM   
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I feel that some women say they are bisexual because it pleases men. Heck, I have a lot of friends in college who will say that they're bi or even kiss girls in order to get the boys attention. I personally am attracted to women, I have been and always will be. I figure if God made me this way then why should I change or try to convert my attractions. Afterall, differences are what makes the world go round.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 6:41:54 AM   
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quote:

If not an argument, then it is that look of amusement, pat on the head and a comment something akin to......that's ok, honey, you keep believeing that but we know different


You know? i've run across the same thing! i am a straight female slave. Oh shock and horrors!

Seriously though, when i first started in discussions with my Master He told me straight off "As Mine, you WILL be with another woman." and "As Mine, you WILL be with another Man." i told Him my reservations about this, specifically about being with another woman. (And this may even be of a more shocking nature....) i told Him about my own religious issues with it.

(Now, as a caveat, i am very strongly and passionately Christian. Period. It is part of who i am. i do not judge others, i simply follow what my spiritual path tells me is right for *me*) my Master noted this feeling and didn't push those limits.

However, at one point, i was planning a "sleep-over drink fest" with a very close female friend of mine who also happens to be a slave. Master approved the intake of alcohol and said "have fun...and if it comes up, you have My permission to _____________ (fill in the blank for yourself).

Well...being the aggressively good girl that i am...and knowing that there would be alcohol involved, thereby lessening my inhibitions...i went forward with His suggestion. It seriously was only an open invitation and not an order.

Sure...i had fun in the inebriated moment, as did my friend. my friend was by nature more bi-curious than i, and she truly enjoyed the evening. However, the fallout during the next days/weeks was huge from my perspective. This WASN'T me. i felt i was betraying who my God had designed me to be, and sought spiritual forgiveness. No, i'm not preaching, only relaying an experience.

i let Master know of these powerful feelings, and now, and for the undefined future, He is allowing me strict heterosexuality for any possible future experiences. This is in place until or unless things change for me spiritually and until or unless i feel that it would not betray my spiritual path, and we have discussed that even further.

just my two cents worth...take it or leave it as it is...


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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 7:12:57 AM   
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My basic feelings on this are that having sex with a person of your same sex doesn't make you bisexual and simply going through with the act makes it one of service.

I've been with lots of males and females, my orientation is bisexual. But that doesn't mean I'm attracted to everyone, nor everyone the Owner would tell me to have sex with. I don't have to be, I don't have to get off on it or even really like it. I just have to do it.

It's silly to think that just having sex with someone else changes your orientation, and I don't get the overwhelming majority of doms who like the multiple chicks thing (it's more trouble than it's worth for most relationships).

For a friends birthday last month I was her "first female experience." She enjoyed it, I gave her a few orgasms, but we both pretty clearly knew at the end of it that she just wasn't bisexual. She doesn't react that way to females. But if her dom told her to be with someone else, she would and now she feels more confident about it with some experience under her belt.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 7:20:40 AM   
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i had a girlfriend once try to please me by being with another woman, knowing i loved the idea. Well she had depression afterward for weeks.
i have had other female friends who were truly Bi but it wasn’t who my girlfriend was and it bothered her for a longtime.
We broke up years later over other issues…. but still I regret agreeing to that idea.
It was her idea but she was only doing it to make me happy. You have to be true to yourself
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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 9:08:04 AM   
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quote:

If not an argument, then it is that look of amusement, pat on the head and a comment something akin to......that's ok, honey, you keep believeing that but we know different


I am so enjoying reading this topic. The anthropologic explanation makes as much sense as anything else, except it seems more reasonable to belive that in such (pre)historical times, same sex attraction and actual activity would be limited if it existed at all. The focus would had to have been procreation for the survival and continued propogation of the group.

I'd still like to read an explanation of how sexuality is a choice. I disagree. As stated earlier, I agree with sexual contact is a choice, but whether we are homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual - I do believe that, as are other aspects of human physiology, is a matter of nature.

In this arena, perhaps because it is "alternative" there are more people, men and women, who are willing to be open about their sexuality. Like Harmony, I have been questioned about not being bi - sexual or curious - and have been told that all submissives are. I will add here that I do so love being told what ALL submissives are in any circumstance.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 10:14:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: newflowers
In this arena, perhaps because it is "alternative" there are more people, men and women, who are willing to be open about their sexuality. Like Harmony, I have been questioned about not being bi - sexual or curious - and have been told that all submissives are. I will add here that I do so love being told what ALL submissives are in any circumstance.

newflowers


*cough* I guess the response would be that the logical equivalent to that is that all doms are bisexual too?

My guess is these are the same people who think that being with a woman makes someone bisexual, and since a sub "should be" willing to have sex however the dom chooses, that therefore they should be "bisexual." Obviously, all of that is ridiculous.

My being bisexual I tend to get more flack for being "trendy" or "just wanting attention" that I hadn't really thought there would be so much pressure that subs MUST be bi or curious or there's something wrong with them.

Ahhh so many boxes...

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 2:52:31 PM   
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I'm a Lezbian trapped in a mans body......

I am a small percentage BI, but it equates more to just being comfortable around other men who are naked, and doing naughtythings, yet I have my skeletons also from the past.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 5:34:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetpleaser
I noticed that there are countless female profiles that list they are bisexual or bicurious.


I can only speak for myself. At the tender age of 20, I came out as a lesbian. It was my last long term girlfriend who made me realise, when I was 27, that I was bisexual. Her words:"Ever see the way you flirt with boys?" Go figure ;)

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 5:39:50 PM   
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quote:

My guess is these are the same people who think that being with a woman makes someone bisexual, and since a sub "should be" willing to have sex however the dom chooses, that therefore they should be "bisexual." Obviously, all of that is ridiculous.


Being with someone of the same sex doesn't make someone bisexual or gay. It just means they were with someone of the same sex. It could be out of curiosity or because their dominant partner ordered them to. I personally have taken great pleasure in having a "straight" boy sodomised by a big gay leatherman <weg>.

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 5:44:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I personally have taken great pleasure in having a "straight" boy sodomised by a big gay leatherman <weg>.

Now *that's* forced-bi

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/21/2005 5:46:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I personally have taken great pleasure in having a "straight" boy sodomised by a big gay leatherman <weg>.

Now *that's* forced-bi

~stef



Judging my the look on the poor boy's face, it was forced *something*. <vweg>

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RE: Bisexuality and women - 2/22/2005 12:21:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetpleaser

I am just curious why there are so many. Is it because the lifestyle is alternative and maybe more accepting? Or, do the women think it makes them more appealing to men to be bisexual since it seems to be a prevalent male fantasy to be with two women?


I consider myself bisexual because I enjoy looking at the physique of both genders. I consider myself bisexual because I enjoy teasing both genders sexually. I consider myself bisexual because I am comfortable in a relationship with either gender. I consider myself bisexual because I can masturbate and get off to images/video of both genders. I think all of those things combined give me a clear indication of what I enjoy.

Now when I went to the Midnight Showing of the Rocky Horror Picture Show the guy on stage said I was just greedy. And maybe that’s true. But I take pride in my greed in this case. Twice the gender options – twice the pickin’s – twice the possible fun!

Completely random sidenote: There’s an ape called the Bonobo. They are actually the closest genetic relatives to humans. They’re all about free love and having sex instead of beating each other up over food or space. They have a relatively low birth rate so they aren’t having sex only to procreate. They often greet each other in a very sexual manner and on top of heterosexual relationships they also have – you guessed it – homosexual (and group!) sex.

Feel free to read more:

http://www.bonobo.org/whatisabonobo.html
http://www.2think.org/bonobo.shtml

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