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amayos -> RE: Can you be predisposed to BDSM? (8/6/2006 10:06:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nalta

I've heard that sometimes things in your enviroment or genetics can predispose you to something. The most famous examples being that if raised in a violent atmoshpere you are more likely to use violence to resolve your problems. Or that being feed big amounts of junk food when you are 5 will predispoe you toward being fat later on in life. So my quesiton is, do you think there is something that oreinets you toward the BDSM scene? I've heard everything from "an overcontroling mother makes one into a sadist" to "submissives are caused when a kid gets beat up on the playground to often." so, think any of those are true? And do you think that something that happened to you in your child hood or teenage years made you into a master or slave?



There are a number of factors—both inherently biological and of formative influence—which contribute to the molding of a human personality. It is theoretically easy to make a slave through (particularly early) conditioning, and coincidences of genetically passed disposition offer a more accommodating environment to that end, but I don't believe a human animal is born from the womb with a secret "slave" barcode stamped across its forehead.


A caste system in any given society is far more honest if all understand that subjugating whatever hapless souls to it is a result of human intention, not some celestial will or Darwinian predisposition.






Nalta -> RE: Can you be predisposed to BDSM? (8/6/2006 10:15:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Hi there,
 
I have noticed that many people with super controling parents
turn out to be dominant.  Still, it is hard to say if it is genetic
or nurture, since they my have inherited the gene(s) that
made their parent controling.  I think there is a pretty close
relationship between being dominant and being controling.
 
Michael
um....and I agree with you on that. I think folks with controling parents are more likely to be dom. but personaly I think its more of a nurture kinda thing. I belive that because they are forced to be dominate in the relationship with their parents, they then find the idea of being dominate to be very new and unsual to them. if your parents owned a nude resort and folks went around nakid all the time you wouldnt be very excited by a nude woman would you? but if you had never seen anything above the knee, then you could probably get off to something as non sexual as a sear's mail order magazine. I hope that kinda makes sence




DoctorDubious -> RE: TRIGGER WARNING!!!!!!!!! (8/6/2006 10:44:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

TRIGGER WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   FOR SURVIVORS


Personally, I dreamed about bdsm in sixth and seventh grade. 
I can'T think of any enviromental reason for my having these
very bdsm specific fantasies.
 
I do suspect that physical, emotional, or sexual abuse can
lead to an interest in bdsm.  Humans are imprinted by their
first sexual experience.  If a female child is spanked and
finds it erotic, this feeling my last for the rest of her life.
If a female child was sexually abused, this can make the
child submissive.  Adults who were sexually abused as
children often find sex repulsive and disgusting because
their first sexual experience was repulsive and disgusting. 
When they start craving sex, they feel conflicted about it. 
They may feel shame and guilt.  Having their partner tie
them allows them to indulge in sex without the guilt,
because they are not having sex voluntarily.  If the first
sexual experience was r*pe, then the person may find
reinacting that experience is the only way they can enjoy
sex. Likewise, if someone was "used" their first sexual
experience, they may continue to enjoy being used.  If
a child was whipped or beaten with belt, they may crave
being whipped or whipping others.
 
Psychodrama or reinactment of a traumatic experience
can be healaing.  It is also a form of desensitization.

 Abuse sometimes makes the child dominant, defiant 
and
sadistic, this occurs more often with male children,
where testosterone turns anger outwards instead of
inwards as is the case with most female survivors
who turn their anger inwards and become submissive.
 
People become ***INURED*** to their environment.
People adapt to their environment.  So if a child is
in an abusive environment, they may adapt to
their environment by learning to accept the abuse.
Masochism and submission can be coping mechanisms
for highly abusive environments. 
 
Testosterone plays an important role in dominance.  There
is a very strong correlation between serum level testosterone
and dominance in all mammals.
 
Physical pain can also be used to block out psychological
pain.  Once a person discovers the endorphins associated
with physical pain, they can become addicted to those
endorphins.  
 
Most females have strong sexual inhibitions.  Sexual abuse
as a child removes those natural inhibitions and makes some
survivors much less sexually inhibited.  It is quite common
for survivors of sexual abuse to be quite active sexually, and
more open to new sexual experiences.  Of course, many
survivors of sexual abuse lose all interest in sex.  I suppose
it matters how strong their libido would have been. Survivors
with a weak libido will be completely turned off to sex, those
with a high libido have a good chance of turning to bdsm to
resolve their internal conflict between their disgust with sex,
and their craving for sex.

Childhood abuse can lead to lifelong depression, DID (formerly
MPD), cutting, border line personality disorder, low self-esteem,
alienation, distrust in everyone especially men (if a male was the
perp), substance abuse, promiscuity, guilt, shame, self-blame,
self-hate, feeling dirty, feeling different than others, feeling like
you have a dark secret that needs to be hidden, anger turned
inwards, numbness, an inability to form close relationships with
people, an inability to love, a change in sexual orientation, a
hatred toward men, repressed anger which explodes from
time-to-time at loved ones, cynicism, negativity, an absense
of faith in mankind, paranoia, sociopathy, anti-social behavior,
cigarette use, obesity, psychosis, flashbacks, creating a walled
city around their heart, post-traumatic stress syndrome, an
inability to beileve anyone is good, prostitution, always
anticipating and expecting the worst, accepting bad to
avoid the anxiety of getting it by surprise, a need to always
be in contol or a desire to be controlled.
 
Physical pain can be used to block psychological pain,
and fight a feeling of numbness.



Hey Whip.... and all

While it's easy to recognize your
good intentions with this post,
it is simply filled with speculations
from the "therapist" mind-set
that sees much of human behaviour
as "caused' by incidents from childhood...
... and even worse....
views many human behaviours as "broken" and needing repair.

No disrespect....
I'm not speaking about you... only the opinions in red above,
because those views are deeply embedded in the culture,
but it's speculative BS about "causes" and "broken-ness" and other nonsense
that disgusted me so much that I will never
practice Sick-ology ever again.

I started as a ...................chartered sick-ologist,
learned to be a........................  therapist,
and now only do ........................................hippy-nosis.


DD
PS.... yes, I do believe that
those therapists who re-enact trauma
are not much different than
those who caused it in the first place.
They are indeed  therapists




WhipTheHip -> RE: TRIGGER WARNING!!!!!!!!! (8/6/2006 1:56:44 PM)

Dear Doctor Dubious,
 
> it is simply filled with speculations from
> the "therapist" mind-set
 
You are entitled to your opinion, but nothing I mentioned
is speculation.  It all has come from talking to countless
survivors.
 
> that sees much of human behaviour as "caused' by
> incidents from childhood... 

Yes, traumatic childhood events greatly effect and influence
children who are by their very nature impressionable. 

After hearing the same story over and over again, and
observing the exact same consequences over and over
again, one doesn't have to be a genius to realize there
must be some connection. 
 
> views many human behaviours as "broken" and needing repair.

You keep twisting my words.  But many human behaviors do
need modification.   
 
> I'm not speaking about you... only the opinions in red above,

Most of what you highlighted in red is documented fact, not
opinion.
 
> because those views are deeply embedded in the culture,
 
My views do not come from our culture, but having talked
to countless survivors.
 
> but it's speculative BS about "causes" and "broken-ness"
> and other nonsense

Actually, its not.
 
> that disgusted me so much that I will never practice
> Sick-ology ever again.

Yes, I know there are a lot of people who prefer scientology
over real science and psychology.  
 
> I started as a ...................chartered sick-ologist,
> learned to be a........................  therapist,
> and now only do ........................................hippy-nosis.

 
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.   You sound more
like Dr. Zuess, than Dr. Dubious.
 
> PS.... yes, I do believe that those therapists who re-enact
> trauma are not much different than those who caused it
> in the first place.

I believe the moon is made of green cheese.  I also believe
I will have another beer.  Everyone is different, the same
medicine that cures one person, kills another.  It is
important to learn enough about  each person, to know
what will help them and what will kill them.  The same
fire that tempers steel, melts lead.
 
> They are indeed  therapists

Why, just because you say so?   
 
>  and now only do ........................................hippy-nosis. 

Survivors actually seem to think cognitive therapy works best.

 




CreoleCook -> RE: TRIGGER WARNING!!!!!!!!! (8/6/2006 5:21:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

  The same  fire that tempers steel, melts lead.
 


......................................but at different temperatures.



sorry!  had to throw in my 2 cents on that comment.






popeye1250 -> RE: TRIGGER WARNING!!!!!!!!! (8/6/2006 5:53:59 PM)

B&D S&M is just part of the human experience.




Sub03 -> RE: Can you be predisposed to BDSM? (8/6/2006 8:07:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Hi there,
 
I have noticed that many people with super controling parents
turn out to be dominant.  Still, it is hard to say if it is genetic
or nurture, since they my have inherited the gene(s) that
made their parent controling.  I think there is a pretty close
relationship between being dominant and being controling.
 
Michael


I had a super controlling parents and I turned out slave. So I dont think that idea is really going to work.




Needleddtits -> RE: Can you be predisposed to BDSM? (8/6/2006 9:17:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

greetings
 
Needleddtits...actually my real problems came in High School..asking for a date to include being tied up was hard.  Then the Gor books came out and I found myself.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro

     Some people just scare so easily! Geesh! [;)]




WhipTheHip -> RE: Can you be predisposed to BDSM? (8/7/2006 6:26:45 AM)

Hi Sub 3,
 
> I had a super controlling parents and I turned out slave.
> So I dont think that idea is really going to work.
 
Just because a lot of controling people had a controling
parent, does not imply many with controling parents do
not become submissive.  Some children of controling
parents become dominant like them, some become
submissive.  Different genetic likely effect the way
different childrn react to a controling parent.
 
Abuse almost always causes anger.  Some turn
that anger inward and suffer depression, some turn
that anger outward and become aggressive.
 
Some people become INNURED to their enviroment,
some people rebel against an environment that
they find oppressive.




WhipTheHip -> RE: Can you be predisposed to BDSM? (8/7/2006 8:02:21 AM)

>>  The same  fire that tempers steel, melts lead.
>
 > ......................................but at different temperatures.

Any fire that is hot enough to temper steel will melt lead.
Lead will melt at any temperature above it meltings point,
it just won't melt at any temperature below its melting point.
Let "x" be the temperature you need to temper steel. 
Lead will melt at "x," not get stronger.




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