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RE: Corset Training? - 12/22/2004 3:58:43 PM

perverseangelic

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I appolgize for my previous comment, but it seemed that the information given wasn't quite accurate for all situations. I think its my librarian genes speaking, but if it seems that information isn't applicable to all situations I have to jump in and say so. I appologize.

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You state that you don't know at what rate your waist should be reduced. This is where I *thought* a corset trainer would come in handy.

At first when you have a lot of squishy stuff, it seems easier to reduce. Once you get to a certain point, I'm thinking that you have pretty much "rearranged" the soft stuff. . .now you are working on reshaping ribs. A person "trained" in this (I'm suspecting) can tell the progression and what not. . . .

The only reason I said anything was that the information given didn't seem to apply to serious waist training.

I -would- like to know a safe rate of reduction, as I need to figure out what size to get my next corset made in. I know 4 inches is minmal, but that was achieved easily. I'd like to know what to shoot for now.

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"I really wouldn't suggest the duct tape pattern methond unless someone has made corsets before in the past. It isn't like you take this "duct tape" pattern and make 4 rectangles that you sew together. Not only that, the inexperienced person would not know about boning placement, how to attach a busk, and little things that come with making a corset. Now, I use about 30 1/2 inch boning per corset. Yes, it looks pretty severe, but it gets the job done."

Well, if you have an idea of what you're doing, the ducttape pattern can help a lot. I am by -no- means skilled at corset making. In fact, I pretty much suck at it. But the duct tape pattern helped me see how the peices fit against my body. Didn't help much and my finished peices still suck, but practice (and 4 yrds for 1 dollar fabric) makes perfect, eh?

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To me, what Fangs is talking about sounds like a "per session" corset training regiment. Why would the training carry around safety shears for a person who wears a corset EVERY day for most of the day unless you are attached to the hip with them? Plus the "safe word" comment when it came to lacing the person up.

ok, I wasn't thinking of it like that. Makes more sense now. I appologize again.

GoddessJules, if I might ask--I want to get into more full-time corseting. Can you offer me any advice on how to get started? I've read a lot, but one can always read more:)

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/22/2004 4:07:21 PM

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You state that you don't know at what rate your waist should be reduced.

don't exactly stateing that I don't know but I'm to lazy to re read what I've written

However, It is true that everyone is different. Think of 2 ppl who are dieting. A helth pro would tell a 500lbs Plus person to work on lossing 10lbs every 2 weeks while telling a 250lbs person to work on loosing 10 lbs a month. So yes I do know rates but they are different from person to person and what they want there body to do. Age also has to play into it. Ribs in a kid are cartlage. The older a person is the more solid the ribs become. Then if you're a women over 40 then you have to see about possible ostreoparosis where your ribs may start becoming weaker. Either way Ribs can be reshaped. But if you hear cracks, take things a little slower.

As far as your disagreements, well everyone has there own style. I'm not going to debate styles, patterns, and materials. Everyone has there own style and I don't see an exact or perfect way to do it.

Why carry Sheers?
well sometimes ppl don't know when to stop. Especially when it comes to themselvs. So in the event you cause yourself to pass out, the faster the corset comes off, the better you are at recovering.

Yes I have been more geard towards corseting another person and not myself. I only recomend that you look at history of others who went for the exact or close to the same goal that you are wanting to accomplish.

Who How Wow, unless it's an immportant part of corsets this will most likely be my last post to this topic. I hope I've given you some good ideas, things to consider, and better methods. I'd hate for this to have been a waste of your time. I can't see myself helping you anymore with out acctually meeting you.
I congradulate you on your success Jules and wish nothing but the best in your endevors. I plan on being around for a while so feel free to msg me with any more questions and I"m glad you acctually had someone tell you about corset training who has experience on the subject.

Take care as I look forward in discussing other subjects with ya

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/22/2004 4:22:41 PM

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M.Jules-

corsets- yummy!

Somewhere on this site is contact info for the site owner, Thomas something-or-other, who gave a leture on corsetry that I attended some time ago. He knows what you need to know, and is pretty friendly, and Kink OK.

I have done some training, with an ex, and got her down to 19 inches from 26, and I would hestitate to call myself a corset trainer- but then, there are those on here that list singletails as a skill, who couldn't tell a stockwhip from a snake. Cavet emptor.

the key, as afar as I can tell, is really, really good corsets, and stict adherance to wearing them. She was in the gym 3x a week anyway, and started in great shape, so that helped us too.
we did it over about six to eight months, and might have gone faster, but I am a slow seamtress<g>.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 1:33:26 PM

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Perverse,

No need to apologise, the comments I made toward the end wasn't directed toward you. . . I was didn't want to make multiple posts. Contact me on the other side and we can share experience/knowledge. It would be my pleasure.

Topcat - Wow! That is some significant reduction there! Can I come move in with you? I'm housebroken!!!!

Maybe some of us can hop on your nuts and try to squeeze out some techniques as well.

Jules

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 4:27:34 PM

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quote:

Can I come move in with you?

M. Jules-

I'll pay for the ticket- don't even pack<g>. Flt 4368 leaves Atlanta tomorrow night at 9:36 tomorrow night. I'll be the guy in chaps standing with the limo drivers.

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Maybe some of us can hop on your nuts and try to squeeze out some techniques as well.

It's a long proven fact- the best way to get anything out of me is to make a boo face and say "please, sir?".

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 8:17:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: topcat
It's a long proven fact- the best way to get anything out of me is to make a boo face and say "please, sir?".

LOL!

<forces herself to leave that comment ALONE and waaaaaaaaaaalk away quietly. Sorta. lol>

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 9:04:10 PM

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We'll have to read about this little shindig on the Msg Board Section "Positive experiences"

I"m almost scared to imagine or even read how this is going to go

LOL TTFN

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 9:34:43 PM

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From a "male" perspective the "term "corset training" to WAYYY to many is just a comment that they want to have a sub/slave wearing a VERY small corset as its "attractive".
In reality they should be informed that "corset training" is what one "does" to their own body as a body-modification ( just like piercings, tats, and the like.)
one "trains" their body to fit a shape just like Japanese Geisha used to train their feet in the practice called "foot binding" ( unfortuately in that case it causes severe damage to the feet and perminent disfigurement ) But just the same corset training to WAY small measurements can cause severe bone damage and is unhealthy.
Any body mod can be taken to UNhealthy extremes tho and speaking to someone who is not full of crap is a WISE consideration.
And YES its VERY difficult to find someone who speaks knowledgeably.
My first suggestion is to contact those companys who sell custom designed corsetry ( YES the spendy ones) and ask THEIR advice and to ignore the "wannabes" here and elsewhere who do NOT know

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 9:59:04 PM

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quote:

I'll pay for the ticket- don't even pack<g>. Flt 4368 leaves Atlanta tomorrow night at 9:36 tomorrow night. I'll be the guy in chaps standing with the limo drivers.

An offer I cannot resist!!! Becareful of what you offer in jest. . .you might find a latexclad female at your door step.

quote:

It's a long proven fact- the best way to get anything out of me is to make a boo face and say "please, sir?".

"Sir". . .is a hard limit. . .so can we make a compromise and I call you "Daddy?" *bats eyes*

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 9:59:56 PM

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Yanno Kinky . . .I think you are right

(Looks down to the ground and kicks a few rocks)

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 10:05:42 PM

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I happen to have always loved corsets. I have also done some reenacting in williamsburg. Waist training of course started way back when and is obvious if you are into vintage clothing at all as I am that it was. 19 inch waists do not just happen they are made. *smiles* You might also want to look up stays online instead of just corsets. They were the first of the corsets and generally boned with either whale bones or wood. Much more restrictive of motion since if one was to lean forward in them they would most likely wind up on ones face. Which is why ladies dropped their hankerchiefs and men so nicely oblidged in the picking up of them *wicked grin*. Stays can still be found today though generally by shops specializing in vintage or reproduction costuming. I have found from those that I know who have trained that a 3 to 6 inch change in waist is generally about what to expect but it does take stages to do so. Also patience, as well as the willingness to stick with it for does not happen overnight. Much like a language one learns it also will not remain without continued practice.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/23/2004 11:16:27 PM

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Stays and corsets were synonyms until the term corset replaced stays in popular usage in the 19th century. Today, the term stays is generally used as a synonym for boning. Whalebone and wood are no longer used to for stays and have been replaced with more modern materials since whalebone is difficult to obtain and both materials were unpredictable and could split and splinter.
Finding a modern corset made with either material would be difficult I think.

As for what kind of reduction someone can reasonable expect, 4 inches is easily achieved even with your first corset. More than that depends upon your anatomy and dedication.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 6:57:43 AM

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Merging,

quote:

You might also want to look up stays online instead of just corsets.

Stef is right, corsets used to be known as stays. . . and before they were known as stays, they were known as "bodys" (that is where we get the term bodice.)

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They were the first of the corsets and generally boned with either whale bones or wood.

Actually, the first "corsets" (bodys) were reinforced with extra fabric or cording. They would twist fabric together or use cord (hemp ropes etc) and sew them into the seams.

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Much more restrictive of motion since if one was to lean forward in them they would most likely wind up on ones face.

The extreme "front shifting" corsets didn't come around until the advent of the "spoon busk" and that was in the mid to late 1800s.

quote:

I have found from those that I know who have trained that a 3 to 6 inch change in waist is generally about what to expect but it does take stages to do so.

Since starting (I used to be. . .umm. . .chubby) I've reduced more than 6 inches. I just want to know where to go from here.

Thanks for the input.

Jules

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 7:02:30 AM

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Whalebone and wood are no longer used to for stays and have been replaced with more modern materials since whalebone is difficult to obtain and both materials were unpredictable and could split and splinter.
Finding a modern corset made with either material would be difficult I think.

You are absolutley right Stef. People quit using whalebone because of the cost involved. Then whaling became illegal. You will find some corset enthusiasts that will use "nonconventional" materials for boning and busks. (When I say conventional, I mean steel.) Some make busks out of wood because busks can get expensive. And I've heard reports of people using rattan for boning. I don't know how well that would work. . .never tried it myself.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 12:58:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessJules
(I used to be. . .umm. . .chubby)

Oh shut up you were not LOL!

Well, okay define chubby. If it is under 30 pounds ... just ... hush. LOL!

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 1:14:36 PM

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Girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl,

At my heaviest, I used to be 158lbs on my 5'6" frame. Some people might think "that's not bad" **BUT** I'm not the type to wear extra weight well. I've lost significant weight since then, but I honestly think that it is my figure that is bad. During those "heavy" days, my measurements were like 36-33-37. . .and visually, that is almost stright down like a board. I'm very "chest heavy" (I'm not a 34 DD) so that also contributes to me looking "biggish."

I might have to lie about having childhood traumas so that I can go on that "Swan" show.

Jules

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 1:15:36 PM

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ROFLLLLLLLLLL

You SO don't even need to.

You look tiny to me LOL.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 1:16:47 PM

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Errrr

I meant, tiny in frame.

Ze bosoms look quite full.

LOL!

Just *hadda* clarify that! rofl

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 1:18:18 PM

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quote:

. . .you might find a latexclad female at your door step.

M. Jules-

you say that like it's a bad thing<g>.

quote:

"Sir". . .is a hard limit. . .so can we make a compromise and I call you "Daddy?" *bats eyes*

Mam, If you keep battying those peepers at me, you can call me anything you like...

Sta warm,
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RE: Corset Training? - 12/24/2004 4:17:09 PM

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Gurl,

You are too generous with your accolades. Now. . .even though I'm half black. . .I'm kinda hatin' on your lips right now. How do I get mine to have that pouty look?

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