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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 1:05:07 PM   
Kedikat


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Status: offline 		I think there is also a backlash against politicians who say they are X party but vote and do everything as Y party.
We are getting a lot of that thing up here now.
If you check the voting records of your politicians while they are in office, they often don't really represent the party the ran for, or it's people.
Sadly it seems more left ones sell out and go right once elected. Power corrupts

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 1:20:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with caitlyn on the intelligence of the US electorate: dismal... BTW, only a week ago my local paper had a front page article on citizens of an African nation wlaking 50 miles barefoot to go vote -- 50 miles!!! While Americans barely get 50% of the nation out to go vote at a precinct within a mle of their home... Bah!

As for Lieberman, I am a lifelong Democrat, I vote in every election -- but I never liked him (BTW, just because I am a Democrat, I am not a dickless gonadless pacifist)... And now he has proven himself to be a sore loser and a Benedict Arnold traitor to his party. Let him take his whiny ass home to the basement... And the same for McKinney, a great example of arrogance herself... Still, none of them hold a candle to the excesses of the Republicans...

Aslo, I have to wonder if Estring is ready to fight the Kristianoid Fundamentalist threat right here at home??!??!!??

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 1:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well as you say the voters will decide for CT, however I'm thinking that it'll be Liberman who gets the last laugh in this case, since many of the middle ground voters will be going for him, and even some of the smart republicans who know they can't win the seat, and thus will vote for him to keep the anti war candidate out of DC.

He lost the primary, OK so he runs as an independant what's wrong with that, it's not like it's the first time it's happened in either party.

Wouldn't hurt for both parties to get a little shake up from the middle ground.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 3:35:28 PM   
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Glad to see him lose.


So am I - I want to see every incumbent replaced - No matter the party!



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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 4:01:56 PM   
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"Three-term Sen. Joe Lieberman fell to anti-war challenger Ned Lamont in Connecticut’s Democratic primary Tuesday, a race seen as a harbinger of sentiment over a conflict that has claimed the lives of more than 2,500 U.S. troops.

Unbowed, Lieberman immediately announced he would enter the fall campaign as an independent. Only six years ago, Lieberman was the Democrats’ choice for vice president."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14228351



All I have to say, on behalf of people that actually live in Connecticut is...

Liebermans goin' dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

C~



C, can we take it that you're not a Lieberman supporter?
 
 

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 4:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		       I'm going to send Lieberman $20 for his campaign as an independent.  He was the last hope the Dems had of getting my vote back.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 5:39:24 PM   
amastermind


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Status: offline 		DaddyUdderSlut, although I do not always agree with you, I do enjoy reading your posts.  I find them quite intelligent and well thought out. 

As for Lieberman, (or any other politician for that matter) I have very little sympathy for him because he lost.  Politics is a dirty game and anyone who enters it knows it.  Noone deserves to win or lose.  I do agree with a ScorpioXXX for criticizing him for not exiting graciously but rather running as an independent.  I generally do not like politicians who do not know how to go away but rather force themselves on a people that has spoken.

Particular to Lieberman, I have quite a low opinion of him, not because of the war in Iraq but because of his behavior during the Clinton scandal.  Although he was the lone democrat to come forward and disapprove of Clinton's behavior and call it (if I remember correctly) immoral, he proved himself to be a hypocrite by then voting to acquit him during the impeachment hearing which, by the way, according  to the Constitution should have been an open trial.

On a more general note, due to the difference in the nature between the Senate and the House of Representatives, I am in favor of returning to the original Constitution in which senators are not chosen by popular vote but rather are elected by state legislatures.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 5:53:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amastermind
I do agree with a ScorpioXXX for criticizing him for not exiting graciously but rather running as an independent.  I generally do not like politicians who do not know how to go away but rather force themselves on a people that has spoken.

I have to agree that it's not the classiest thing for him to do.  I think that the idea he is a lot more electable in a general election right now than in a primary.  That may be true as a matter of demographics, but I think he's lost a lot of prestige with all this, and even if he has a lot of allies in the Democratic party still, he can't access their funding or any direct help.  Anything is possible in a country that chose Jessie Ventura and Arnold Shwarzenegger as governors and nearly so a Grand Dragon of the KKK... but I suspect Joe is going to have even more egg on his face come the general election.

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On a more general note, due to the difference in the nature between the Senate and the House of Representatives, I am in favor of returning to the original Constitution in which senators are not chosen by popular vote but rather are elected by state legislatures.

So, I have no knowledge or opinion of this, just curioisity - what would the advantage(s) be of having state legislatures choose senators?  What would the disadvantages be?

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 6:39:51 PM   
amastermind


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Status: offline 		DaddyUdderSlut, very good question.  I do not know the disadvantages.  The advantages are that the Constitution was set up with many checks and balances.  Some of them are between state powers and federal powers.  State legislatures choosing senators would restore more power to individual states (maybe a disadvantage) because the state legislature would have the right to recall a senator if it acted in manner it felt was not in that state's interest.  Senators would not be subject to whims of the populace, most of which votes on a small issue of relevance only at the time of election.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 9:35:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		A neocon is a neocon no matter what party they say they belong to.. Diane Feinstein, you're next on the incumbant to be kicked out of office list...

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 11:03:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lieberman lost because he wasn't a Democrat.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 11:04:13 PM   
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Lieberman lost because he wasn't a Democrat.


Hopefully in November he'll win because he's neither a Democrat nor Republican.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/9/2006 11:18:24 PM   
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Let me see if I have  your thought process clear.  They guy in my mind IS a Republican and clearly was labeled a Democrat is a shithead.  However, if he pulls the same shitty crap but calls himself and Independent, he is suddenly worth electing?

Imagine if America was not bogged down in a poorly planned and even more poorly executed occupation, an occupation that many accurately predicted the current fiasco with stunning accuracy, and instead had just put some finishing touches on the restoration and rebirth of Afghanistan for 1/10 of what we spent on Iraq.  We had taken a destitute breeding ground for terrorists and turned it into a beacon of hope for the downtrodden in the ME.

America would, at the very least, be seen as nice than we are today, we would not be running torture chambers, we would not be arguing over how many nipples it is okay to cut off before it changes from hazing to torture.

Imagine if before we invaded someone had the balls to tell Wolfowitz he was smoking crack when he testified that "Iraq had no history of ethnic violence" or that "we would need less troops to occupy Iraq than needed to defeat Saddam".  Imagine if a brave senator had stood up and DEMANDED to see the reconstruction plan for Iraq. 

Lieberman stood by and continues to stand by Bush and support this idiotic war and he is being sent home by voters who are finally seeing the truth, long hidden by this Administration and they are fucking pissed.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 4:34:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would have more respect for Lieberman if he were going with his conscience, and not his ego.  The majority decision was to elect a Democrat, he chose to act like a Republican shill instead, and he is now paying the price for that.  Instead of accepting the loss, he is going to split the ticket and pretty much hand the office over to the Republicans.  So the people of CT are stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Either re-elect the guy who is basically a Republican in all but name, or, as happened, turn him down and end up with a split ticket and, in the end, a Republican anyway.  Unfortunately, Lieberman is just another Nadar, just another Perot.  Too worried about his ego to care about the consequences.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 5:35:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		10% of eligable voters bothered with the primary so hardly a mandate of the people folks.

As to Liberman being a Republican, laughable totally based on support for the single issue, he's still very liberal when it comes to almost every single issue other than the War on Terror.
Min Wage, Abortion, Affirmative action, name a single plank in the democratic platform (other than HATE BUSH) that he falls right of center.


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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 7:16:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

butkind,

Let me see if I have  your thought process clear.  They guy in my mind IS a Republican and clearly was labeled a Democrat is a shithead.  However, if he pulls the same shitty crap but calls himself and Independent, he is suddenly worth electing?

Imagine if America was not bogged down in a poorly planned and even more poorly executed occupation, an occupation that many accurately predicted the current fiasco with stunning accuracy, and instead had just put some finishing touches on the restoration and rebirth of Afghanistan for 1/10 of what we spent on Iraq.  We had taken a destitute breeding ground for terrorists and turned it into a beacon of hope for the downtrodden in the ME.

America would, at the very least, be seen as nice than we are today, we would not be running torture chambers, we would not be arguing over how many nipples it is okay to cut off before it changes from hazing to torture.

Imagine if before we invaded someone had the balls to tell Wolfowitz he was smoking crack when he testified that "Iraq had no history of ethnic violence" or that "we would need less troops to occupy Iraq than needed to defeat Saddam".  Imagine if a brave senator had stood up and DEMANDED to see the reconstruction plan for Iraq. 

Lieberman stood by and continues to stand by Bush and support this idiotic war and he is being sent home by voters who are finally seeing the truth, long hidden by this Administration and they are fucking pissed.


More accurately, you're fucking pissed. The opinion of the people of Connecticutt and the United States is much more complicated. I encourage your sort of one-sided rhetoric -- I think it is an important part of political discourse, even if it isn't directly constructive. But you're then projecting it onto events that are much more complex than fit in a few paragraphs.

I want Lieberman to win because on principle at this point I want any non-Democrat, non-Republican to win, not because I love war, George Bush, crack smoking, Richard Perle, and the Illuminati conspriacy. That's me -- as for you, please keep talking without listening. I mean this with all sincerity: we don't need that type of rhetoric in office (thank goodness Cynthia McKinney and Tom DeLay won't be back), but we certainly need it in a small percentage of the citizenry. Thanks for helping Democracy -- keep doing your thing.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 7:20:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer

10% of eligable voters bothered with the primary so hardly a mandate of the people folks.

As to Liberman being a Republican, laughable totally based on support for the single issue, he's still very liberal when it comes to almost every single issue other than the War on Terror.
Min Wage, Abortion, Affirmative action, name a single plank in the democratic platform (other than HATE BUSH) that he falls right of center.




If you don't publicly ridicule George Bush, that must mean you've had sex with Karl Rove. It's the only possible explanation.

HATE BUSH is currently the only plank in the Democratic platform.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 7:55:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im an independent and I feel like Crappy, Lieberman is a Republican no matter what he calls himself....

My only issue next election day is the Iraq War, and I am voting against anyone that went along with Bush to put us in that nightmare... it isn't a partisan thing, true, but there is no choice between the parties, no real difference, let the American people demand a difference by kicking out so-called moderate war mongerers.

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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 7:56:13 AM   
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I wonder if Cynthia McKinney will blame white people for her loss?
She is already blaming electronic voting machines. Lol. How did she ever get elected?


Hmmmm...probably the same way Bob Dornan did

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RE: Lieberman - 8/10/2006 7:59:54 AM   
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Ann Coulter accused him of being mentally ill in print.

Now there's the pot calling the kettle black....

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