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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 11:52:09 AM

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and the fact that the male Y chromosome is shrinking doesn't help either.. (really..)

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 12:11:24 PM

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Amayos ...I nearly came in my pants reading that ... yes indeed ... money makes the world go round ... I have a healthy respect for money and how money works in our society... where it implies power and control and why ... but alas it is that very power and the control it affords ...that makes people think of it as dirty ...people with little personal power/empowerment about their own self worth as a commodity, or ignorant of the fact, they are, every human been a live, is a commoddity in itself ... need to get on with giving themselves a sense of self worth ...and demanding what they want from themselves, and life ...and money ...

Absolutely. That many can't or won't see it in this light does not invalidate tribute or tithing—which is but one detail of any true acolyte's reality of commitment.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 12:42:52 PM

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I'd agree wholeheartedly with one caveat: how can currency be a "gift" in the sense you describe? If a gift is given in love, I'd hope it'd have some kind of personal value or meaning, even if it's a simple guess as to someone's taste. It may well be a result of my reaction to our festering capitalism, but I'm hard put to see money as being a kind of acknowledgement of another's soul. We use money to get things that otherwise wouldn't be ours, so I see no place for it in an honest relationship.
If it is offered as needed assistance, I'd see it differently...but then, that'd be "help," not "tribute," yes?

Good questions. I feel currency can be more than a gift, in fact; it can be a gift or a tribute or a tithing—or even help, indeed.

In either form, I suppose one could say it's putting your money where your mouth is. When speaking of financial slavery, the combined fears of ruin and vulnerability can become an overwhelming impetus toward what many consider the ultimate sacrifice, save the giving of one's very life. For money in our festering capitalism is our material lifeblood; the giving of it—beyond what is easy to part with—is about as personal an offering as one can undertake, which is why the very subject stirs the pot so much, I think.

Money is more than an instrument of acquiring material wealth beyond our grasp; in our society it is power; the giving of it to the one we worship is a solid as it is symbolic.

awww... that's sounds so pwetty! all awe inspiring and stuff! But you know what? I always thought that a huge part of the pleasure in BDSM is to see my sub grow while under my wing. I also give a huge importance to responsibility in whatever I do with/to her.

If I were to do that sort of thing, I'd first make sure to have the necessary skills to manage her budget, take control over all her money, and manage her money. I'd give that person just enough space to be comfortable, yet keeping her tight enough to have her remember I control her money. Depending on her financial capacities, once a year I'd make that person do an expense they would have believed impossible to do under normal circumstances, like a dream trip and I would participate to that trip

Now what do these so-called "financial Dommes" do, at least those I have seen/known? they go shopping. Do they know the sub's budget? no. Do they care about it? fuck no! Could they even manage the sub's money seriously? no again! And where the real problem lies, well you said it yourself: the giving of money—beyond what is easy to part with— is where the fun is.

Now, personnally I find someone who's using a single tail whip without full knowledge and mastery on the subject an idiot and a wannabe. Because it's dangerous.

I also consider someone doing breath play without knowledge and mastery an idiot and a wannabe. Because it's dangerous.

I also consider "financial domination" dangerous.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 12:52:08 PM

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I always thought that a huge part of the pleasure in BDSM is to see my sub grow while under my wing. I also give a huge importance to responsibility in whatever I do with/to her.

Aww, now that is what's truly...pwetty.

To each their own, I suppose.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 12:56:03 PM

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I always thought that a huge part of the pleasure in BDSM is to see my sub grow while under my wing. I also give a huge importance to responsibility in whatever I do with/to her.

Aww, now that is what's truly...pwetty.

To each their own, I suppose.

Odd, I see that as "standard"

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 12:56:47 PM

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...People who have their heads up their ass do so because it makes them feel warm and safe and it smells like home. We need to understand this...

OMg, i love it. Fell over laughing, thank You!

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:06:44 PM

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I always thought that a huge part of the pleasure in BDSM is to see my sub grow while under my wing. I also give a huge importance to responsibility in whatever I do with/to her.

Aww, now that is what's truly...pwetty.

To each their own, I suppose.

Odd, I see that as "standard"

Oh, rest assured it is.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:12:02 PM

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General thoughts after reading this thread:

I think everyone here is talking about something slightly different. Gifts to a loved are just gifts to a loved one. Professional domming is a service. Each is a different animal, in my opinion. But financial slavery?

You can take a dented, rusty, smelly garbage can, paint it pretty and call it art, but at the end of the day its still a garbage can.

The only real financial empowerment is the ability to earn your *own* money; not using someone else to supply it for you. Talk about co-dependancy. It may as well be marriage.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:14:16 PM

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:25:48 PM

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sorry for sleeping. i see you've all been pretty busy. here's a long treat :

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn
let it go boys ... as a woman, it's my cunt, I'll do whatever I want with it

look, i don't really see how this was being discussed. i think it's just your personal hang-up. let me say then, that not only i agree, it's perfectly true. your cunt, enjoy.

now, do you expect me to pay for that ?

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ORIGINAL: CuteIrishM4F
Also Zen-man, don't get raspy with Pandora, she's only testing you. Its just her way. There's no need to be rude about it.

yes, she was testing, she got publicly humiliated for it. that's the risk when you blunder in and presume to attempt and "test" your superiors.

and capitalisation is not a matter of language.

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

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What is supposed to be a highly personal, bonding, loving, giving, and intimate act ---- is instead an act reduced to money exchange and role play.

No... that is 'truism' ... and moralising what d/s will be to others.

no, it really was logic. there exists this illusion that uh oh "everything is okay", "matter of perspective" etc etc. not everything is ok. there do exist absolutes.

telling you not to replace personal relations with transactional relations is like telling you to use a strong enough bolt for suspension. it's safety. if you fail to follow safety, someone will get hurt.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
Here's a novel idea for all you men that just HATE paying for things to serve your needs... Just STOP. It would not exist if you didn't create the market for it in the first place.

here's a novel idea for smartass women. i might be starting to fucking charge. in fact, males are in short supply genetically, and to top that off, they don't care who they fuck, they care how big her tits. women do care. and if it were really a question of sexes war and organising trench lines, women would be paying through the nose.

what really happens currently is this adult father/teenage daughter situation society wide, where thegirl imagines she owns the world because daddy buys her stuff, and daddy buys her stuff because he can't be bothered to spend time with her, he makes 100 an hour, and it's either give her a couple hundred every week or spend a couple hours every day.

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes
In my opinion, if it's not noticed as much, then it's better hidden - intentionally or not

what a conspirationist mindset. so by this logic, flying pigs are alot better hidden than normal pigs, because we have yet to see one. could it be something is not noticed as much because it doesn't actually happen that much ?.

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Money is more than an instrument of acquiring material wealth beyond our grasp; in our society it is power; the giving of it to the one we worship is a solid as it is symbolic.

i do not mean this as an attack. iut you hold the views of someone that has never been poor. that's okay, i do to. the difference is, you fail to realise most people out there don't have, and always had, more money than they could spend, so it's not "symbolic" to them. it's very, very real.

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66
I am afterall a Human being just like them and can have a platonic relationship
that is based on D/s.

it's not platonic if you're paid silly. platonic doesn't mean no sex. it means, no ulterior motive.

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn
Ps ...in case anyone thinks it ... understanding the power of money...and understand the power of having control over money, my own and someone else's ... doesn't make me a gold digger ... it makes me clever ...

not really. using...suspen...sion...points...for...no reason whatsoever makes you stupid. it's not smart and intellectual, and it doesn't suggest you're thinking. it proves you aren't.

and all the crap about power, money, control... read above, about the teenage daughter.

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ORIGINAL: LordDarkPleasure
Now what do these so-called "financial Dommes" do, at least those I have seen/known? they go shopping. Do they know the sub's budget? no. Do they care about it? fuck no! Could they even manage the sub's money seriously? no again! And where the real problem lies, well you said it yourself: the giving of money—beyond what is easy to part with— is where the fun is.

Now, personnally I find someone who's using a single tail whip without full knowledge and mastery on the subject an idiot and a wannabe. Because it's dangerous.

I also consider someone doing breath play without knowledge and mastery an idiot and a wannabe. Because it's dangerous.

I also consider "financial domination" dangerous.

spoken with manifest competence.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:29:43 PM

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I do know men who partake in the pro scene from time to time. Most will tell you they don't see the pro as being dominant in the least. No, they don't use the term prostitution either. Yet, they are a far cry from a fem dom.
In reality is a pro not the same as a pro sub? I'm paying you so you do as I please?
No matter what they want to call themselves.

I have to strongly disagree with that comment.
Most of My submissives are from here(CM) and I can bet they will tell you I am a Dominatrix who takes D's very serious.I have a slave that lives in,so its not all about making money.Its all about living it.

The Pro part isnt a hobby...but its also not how I make a living.

I give people a chance to be who or what they want..everyone deserves a chance to see if its what they want.Pro Dommes provide that service.

Sure I ask what they like but who decides if they get it? I do.
I dont care if they do pay its My way or get out.They all know that upfront...and if they dont get it on the 1st visit they dont come back.
Nobody is going to Top Me and try to control the scene...especially some 'worm'.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:30:44 PM

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Very true

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:32:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: marieToo
I think everyone here is talking about something slightly different. Gifts to a loved are just gifts to a loved one. Professional domming is a service. Each is a different animal, in my opinion. But financial slavery?

You can take a dented, rusty, smelly garbage can, paint it pretty and call it art, but at the end of the day its still a garbage can.

The only real financial empowerment is the ability to earn your *own* money; not using someone else to supply it for you. Talk about co-dependancy. It may as well be marriage.

And that's exactly what vanillas and many slaves have told me when I tried to explain how I enjoy being used and useful for my financial service to my owners.

You serve in your way and lift it up on some high lofty place- but somehow my service is a trashcan and my owner is co-dependent? That logic doesn't follow.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:35:05 PM

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I think I can safely say that Pros...are going to get hasseled no matter How justified We are in being a Dominatrix.

I blame society and the movies for making BDSM all about sex.
Oh Welllll.....at least I know Myself and slave bishop have a good life with the 'worms' who come to serve.And W/we know I'm not a whore...so the rest of dont matter.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:40:06 PM

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Have you not heard of free writing Zen? It's a technique one use's to simply write their thoughts, structure and syntax can come later... when the boy has collated, archived and indexed the various posts I've done over the years...I'll be sure to send you a signed copy of my book when it is written from the material he has sourced.

... you see, I am clever ... much more than you think ... not only will I get my post/s and writings archived by an intelligent beast, he'll also edit them as well... but you're a clever boy, handle the jandal...if all you can find to comment on in my posts is the writing style I employ ... then sweet, my work here must be done ...you should get a scientist to go with that rocket up your ...

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:41:53 PM

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WHAT'S the Difference daddy ?
What's the difference daddy, between theoretically and realistically ?
Well little girl go ask sis if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000, Ok...she said she said she would daddy. Now go ask bettie if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000...she said yes daddy. Well then darl'n, theoretically, we're sitting on million dollars, realistically, we're living with a couple a whores.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:44:48 PM

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The difference is, you fail to realise most people out there don't have, and always had, more money than they could spend, so it's not "symbolic" to them. it's very, very real.

Hence, as solid as it is symbolic.

But you are correct, indeed; it is very, very real. I beleive this was covered?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:46:32 PM

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WHAT'S the Difference daddy ?
What's the difference daddy, between theoretically and realistically ?
Well little girl go ask sis if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000, Ok...she said she said she would daddy. Now go ask bettie if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000...she said yes daddy. Well then darl'n, theoretically, we're sitting on million dollars, realistically, we're living with a couple a whores.

Daddy(?) told them to do it they are obeying orders so
obvisously daddy likes whores.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:47:41 PM

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hahaha Sassy ...

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 1:51:09 PM

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I blame society and the movies for making BDSM all about sex.

when it should really be all about money ?

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Have you not heard of free writing Zen? It's a technique one use's to simply write their thoughts, structure and syntax can come later... when the boy has collated, archived and indexed the various posts I've done over the years...I'll be sure to send you a signed copy of my book when it is written from the material he has sourced.

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other than that, free writing actually requires thoughts. regardle's what's one's use's it's for's. and i'm glad you're writing a book. o no, wait, you aren't. you are babbling incoherently and somebody else is going to turn that into a book. your book, right ? and then you do bdsm, incompetently i can only presume, and someone else turns it into a safe and enjoyable experience. and if they don't , fuck them, they should have.

your work here is certainly done. your work there, with your head, has just begun. and when it's closer to finished, come back here and maybe you'll be socially presentable. because right know, i know a guy with a typing monkey that puts you to shame.

at any rate, i will never know.

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