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michaelGA2 -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 10:22:40 AM)

i have a gf, not a wife...not married here. i have the utmost respect for women except when they charge by the hour for things that can be shared mutually between two adults, without the financial binds that tie. nobody owes anybody anything, not me, not you, not anyone. it's about sharing the exprience, sharing the heart and soul of each individual.  unlike most men. i have never gone on a date expecting nor requiring it to progress to the bedroom. if it happened, fine, if not, that's fine also. i have never subscribed to the male mentality that it's all about "scoring" with someone. why is it so hard to believe that, out of the vast population of men on this planet that one would be different?




Jasmyn -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 10:30:14 AM)

So you're mechanic doesn't owe you a lube job?  Come on dude, bend over, lighten up .. .I don't know what I find more disrespectful or ludicrous in your words ... that fact you think playing the it's all above love, and sharing and caring card ... when you have a partner ...which means that woman who shacks up with you falls in love with what?  Or do you have no balls that you must stay with a woman you will willingly disrepect ... at least clients who come and pay for it who are partnered ... aren't trying to play the biggest player do me trip in the world ... get over your warped sense of respect and intimacy and this effing lifestyle you have on a pedastal and find that mirror.




Jasmyn -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 10:31:52 AM)

But you're not different Michael ... you are all too familiar ...but whats worse it all turns into a crock of platitudes and shite .. when you call women whores.

Goodnight.

Ps ... over it ... someone get this thread back on topic pretty please




thetammyjo -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 10:34:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

To the subs on the board here.. when the time runs out and the timer dings and your session is over and you pay your fee, how do you feel afterward?

How does the pro feel afterward about the submissive?



I've known a few pros through the scenes in NYC and here in Bloomington. It varies by the person.

I've met some who were doing it so much for money that frankly they barely knew one end of a whip from the other and they talked nasty about their clients.

Then there were those who were into BDSM outside of work but not the dominant role. They may have been doing it for money but they also had empathy for their clients and knew what they were doing.

I've met a few who viewed this as a art not just a job. They seemed to spend a lot of time learning techniques, building areas to work in, and putting on a wonderful visual show.

There were also some who were dominant in their non-professional lives too and this was just them doing something they really enjoyed both for pleasure and income.

I mean, do we criticize an artist who paints for fun but also for commissions? Do we criticize an author who enjoys what she writes but also wants to make an income from it and protect her work? Do we criticize a great parent who is also a great gradeschool teacher or childcare worker for just doing what they enjoy? If not why criticize these people?

The only group I could criticize would be that first group primarily because if you don't learn appropriate technique and practice some confidentiality about your clients I think you don't deserve much trust. I'm betting this is the group that doesn't stay in business long or moves around a lot.




Emperor1956 -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 10:46:59 AM)

A rousing "hear hear" for MistressSophia, even if she gets a bit strident in her later post (more on that, below).

My perspective on ProDommes is a bit different.  I'm a good friend to some, and have been a counsellor/lawyer to several.  And that is how I start my thoughts:  It is a business.  They are business people with specific skills.  They vend those skills to those who desire them, at an established rate of compensation, and under specific rules of commerce.  In that regard, the ProDomme is no different from the physician or for that matter, the lawyer. They have a need to obtain from others marketing, legal, and personal care services to provide their skills to their customers, they need a place to work, and they need a steady base of customers.

But it ISN'T entirely business as usual, is it?  In the USA, at least, ProDommes are discriminated against in many ways.  They cannot openly advertise their services in the common media.  They are a discriminated against "sex oriented" business.  They can't put up a sign outside their "office".  Their business almost always violates local zoning and business license codes, and so must be conducted in secret.  While they must pay their taxes, they often choose to do so under an assumed business name and type to avoid untoward scrutiny.  And there is always the suspicion of prostitution, even though no reputable Domme I know engages in such.

Why do men go to ProDommes?  MistressSophia is dead on:  "It has been my experience that pros are mostly seen by men that don't want to get involved with a domme that they have to answer to daily."  I'll go one better:  men see (and pay) professional Dominas to LEAVE when the transaction is concluded.  This doesn't assume no aftercare, this doesn't assume that there isn't a genuine bond between a Domina and her client -- it simply says that both parties to the transaction know and understand the rules.

By the way, it is a hard, not especially lucrative career.  Notwithstanding CSI's "Mistress Heather", few ProDommes I've known own lavish houses, support lavish lifestyles or sock away a ton of money.  It is a career generally without health or disability insurance, social security benefit, and it is hard to build up a credit rating or any sort of work history that our society likes to see.  I bill certain clients about twice per hour than the best compensated Domme I represent, and I think she works at least 2x as hard.

Now about this strident nature.  I love my ProDomme friends.  I love working with the few I'm lucky enough to represent.  BUT I will say that these ladies are as a whole a rather difficult, finicky lot to work with *grin*.  Gee...what a surprise.  And virtually every Domina I know is VERY quick to rise to the bait of an insult -real or perceived.  For nonviolent communication, I tend to think Bhuddist Monks make for better clients.  Sadly, they don't generate a lot of dough *GRIN*.  Still, I'll take (in the most gross of generalizations) a ProDomme client over a self absorbed, pedantic nonprofessional male who calls himself a Dominant (actually unless the matter is unusually compelling or lucrative I won't take that case at all...too much of a PITA factor).  I will also note that I've rarely seen more compassionate, dedicated friends when a friend is in need, or more sincere and devoted participants in the D/s - leather - alternative communities than I have in (some) ProDommes. 

And finally, it should go without saying, but it can't on CM because of the fundamental discordant nature of a few difficult types that hang around here, that these are only MY thoughts.  I'm not setting down rules or authorities for anyone, and my comments above are based on my own small personal experience in a wide, wide world.

E.

And I must have the dynamic all wrong...I send my little girl flowers.




LotusSong -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 11:06:59 AM)

LADIES!!!  Do you not realize that Michael has just scored not one but TWO FREE verbal abuse sessions on this thread??




UtopianRanger -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 11:12:48 AM)

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How many of you subs send flowers to your Mistress, remember her Birthday?  bring her gifts etc. 


I haven't mailed out many ten-thousand dollar Tennis bracelets lately.....but I do send little cards, trinkets and presents {Flowers too} to my favorite lady all the time. I even send her Cat little treats.....

And I never forget special dates like a lady's birthday or the first time I ever talked to her. And I don't bother with ''E-cards''.... I go to Hallmark in the mall, pick a card out and grab a thirty-nine cent stamp... and then take my act over to the post office and mail it by hand.


I know a few of us out here appreciate good women....lol!



 - R




TeeGO -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 11:30:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TeeGO

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

my apologies. i stand corrected.

That's it michael, open up that mind and good things will happen.


OOOOPS!  Did I miss the mark on that one.  Nevermind.




michaelGA2 -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 11:40:36 AM)

what? You don't think a guy could have feelings and emotions? i'm totally shocked (subtled sarcasm)




zumala -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 11:49:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

To the subs on the board here.. when the time runs out and the timer dings and your session is over and you pay your fee, how do you feel afterward?

How does the pro feel afterward about the submissive?



I've known a few pros through the scenes in NYC and here in Bloomington. It varies by the person.



OMG!!  <hijack>  Bloomington?  Not Bloomington, Indiana??  *checks profile*  Geez, I was RIGHT THERE for a family reunion last month.  LOL.  My uncle lives there.
 
Kewl.  [:D]
 
</hijack>
 
zuma




michaelGA2 -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 12:08:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

LADIES!!!  Do you not realize that Michael has just scored not one but TWO FREE verbal abuse sessions on this thread??


too bad it was wasted here online...might actually have been interesting (maybe even fun) offline

LOL




Calandra -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 12:14:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA2
i can certainly understand a cheating husband seeking out a Pro for things their wife is neither willing nor able to provide. but i still do not see Pros ass "real" Mistresses. it's not the same giving money/gifts/flowers to a stranger.


Michael, you know I deeply respect you, however I was taken aback by this portion of your post...
 
I suppose in your eyes I am not a "real" Mistress. After all, I was a ProDomme for five years and I'm considering doing it again. ~sigh~ I'm saddened that people can be so closed-minded about Pros with really very few facts to back up what they believe. Have you ever used a ProDomme? More than one? If not, you have no business saying whether a Pro is "real" or not do you? I'll stop now, because if I really said all that is in my heart about this subject, you'd need an asbestos suit and the fire department on standby. 
 
Secondly, most of my clients were SINGLE. Yes, I had a number of married clients, and quite a few of them were HONEST with their wives (trust me, I've spoken with a number of the wives). The stereotypical idea that only married men who want to cheat go to Pros, is just that, a stereotype - based upon perception, not fact. The main reason my clients came to me was because this lifestyle was a small (but important) part of their life and they didn't want to change their whole lives to have this need satisfied. They don't WANT an all encompassing relationship with their Domme. Maybe they are married, or just maybe they have a busy career or a hectic social life and they don't want to turn that power over to anyone at this time in their lives. Maybe they are new and just learning their desires, and they don't want to immerse themselves in this lifestyle until they know more about what it means to serve (after all, many of our fantasies would be difficult to maintain longer than two or three hours). One fact does not change however: The connection "I" feel when a client is kneeling before me, trusting me to make this session special (They could have chosen any of a hundred others, but they chose me). Maybe the Dominance isn't based upon some romantic notion, but the power and the control is often as strong as any I've felt in my private relationships.
 
Thirdly, even though I may not be totally integrated into my client's lives, I am FAR from a stranger... I hold the most personal, private, even painful secrets of some of my clients. I have received calls even years after a session with someone, telling me that I helped them in various ways. I've had men introduce me to their new wives, proudly telling them that "I" gave them the courage to be honest with them about his needs. I've had Dominant wives thank me for the training their slavehubbies received at my hands.
 
You know, I've done a hell of a lot of good in this world. I've often taken the opportunities my Pro position offered to infuse courage and knowledge in clients. I've counselled them, nurtured them, beaten them, and cheered them on when they decided to find a partner who would be able to take my place in their lives. I've helped clients to write classified ads for newspapers and online personals sites. 
 
I think the most important thing I've done is NOT JUDGE THEM for their choices. If in your eyes (and the eyes of other male subs who rail against ProDommes) I am unreal... so be it. I will take on that label proudly, because I suspect I wouldn't want to "really" domme anyone who held such a low opinion of a large group of people, based only upon the job they have.
 
If you want to talk further, contact me in yahoo.... 




MisPandora -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 3:39:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

To the subs on the board here.. when the time runs out and the timer dings and your session is over and you pay your fee, how do you feel afterward?

How does the pro feel afterward about the submissive?


That's just ignorant and mean-spirited. 

Time: Most good pros worth their salt don't clock watch, or for that matter, don't even HAVE a clock in their studio.  If they know their stuff, they set the pace via a CD recording that plays for a certain amount of time, or they have a reliable internal clock. 

$$$: They also generally take care of any remuneration up front and get that out of the way.

How the top feels: Like any other domina does that's done a good job.....with a good scene that the bottom enjoyed.  She feels satisfied that she's not violated her client's express limits and started him on a journey that they can expand and build upon at a later date.  She leaves him sated, but yet, still a little hungry and curious about what might happen were he to come back and visit her again.

How does the bottom feel: Like any other bottom feels who's enjoyed a session with their domina, often times good enough to want to come back and experience more, and to serve her again.  Likely, if he's someone inclined to see a pro again, he'll provide her feedback, either immediately after the session or via email or a followup phone call thanking her.




MisPandora -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 3:47:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I had one experience that I'll never forget.   It was a situation where I did a session with a another domme freind of mine on a boy I had been mentoring online for some time.There was an occasion where he was going to be Vegas and so was my hubby, another domme and I.  The agreement was he was going to pay the other domme's room adjacent to ours.  If he wanted  my friend he was to pay for her lodging for the evening.

Anyhow, long story short: when the time came at the end and he was dressed and ready to go..he handed  me the  money for the room.  I had fun, my friend had fun.. and we had forgotten about this money issue.  I couldn't take it.  I rather froze actually (in shock).   So what did he do?  HE TOSSED IT ON THE BED as he thanked us and left.  My friend and I looked at each other.. then at the bed.. as if there was a rabid racoon on it.

Thus was my first and last expereince.  I had fun until the money part...gofigure.


The situation was not managed right, IMO.  Mind you, I'd a retired pro who ran a studio in a major metropolitan city for 5+ years before moving for personal reasons.

Here's a simple breakdown on the steps to an effective pro session:
- slave places confirmation call and receives directions
- slave arrives at destination as instructed
- domina greets slave at door in street clothes
- domina brings slave in to discuss scene,details what is not provided in a session
- negotiation of limits, assess medical/health risks
- previously discussed tribute is left on table/in box
- slave is directed into room, given instructions on preparation for mistress
- mistress shuts door, puts money away
- mistress changes into scene clothes appropriate for session
- scene commences
- scene ends
- aftercare, especially talking about matching expectations, establish how he's feeling, providing instructions on aftercare (water, eating, care of bruising/skin issues, or health specifics pertaining to the acts that were done)




LotusSong -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 4:44:33 PM)

This isn't something I'd do again.  But thanks for the tips.




LotusSong -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 4:50:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

To the subs on the board here.. when the time runs out and the timer dings and your session is over and you pay your fee, how do you feel afterward?

How does the pro feel afterward about the submissive?


That's just ignorant and mean-spirited. 



Not really.. but if it hit a nerve.. so sorry.




WhiteRadiance -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 5:33:42 PM)

LotusSong asks:
 
To the subs on the board here.. when the time runs out and the timer dings and your session is over and you pay your fee, how do you feel afterward?

How does the pro feel afterward about the submissive?




 
 
 
Michael meet Lotus, Lotus meet Michael.  Now run, children, run with those scissors!  LOL
 
 
Lotus I can tell you how I feel after a pro session. 
 
First, there is no "stopwatch" or timer.  If it is an initial session, I will let them sit and talk a while and relax a bit. I do not consider this time to be part of the session.  I always give aftercare, which is not part of the session time either.  I respect my boys and they respect me.  I know them better than most of the people around them, they trust me and I trust them.  I give them something and get something in return.  So that is how I "feel". 
 
Of course, this is not a full-time business for me and I have limited time and a very rigorous screening process.  Very few even complete the process.  Being a pro is time consuming, takes attention to detail, creativity, and passion, humor, knowledge, and a very keen memory.  There is NO WAY I could do it full time, nor would I want to.  But I admire those who do!
 
Why do I charge when I could give the love for free? 
Because I have met just ONE submissive who can tend to me as a real submissive, and accomodate my schedule.  All the others who pay cannot be here for me.  If they can be of REAL service to me, I don't charge. 
 
Like Pandora (?) said, some submissives do not want to reconstruct their lives to revolve around their submission, so there is a NEED for Pro's.  
 
I think the real issue here is not Pro's, but non-pro's  who resent the pros being paid for something they can't give away. That is how I see it.  Of course, I could be wrong.. but, still...
Why does it bother you so badly?  What harm does it do you? 
 
off Lotus skips, scissors in hand, to start another topic... lol
 
All kidding aside, we should unite and embrace each other, not continue with divisive topics.  It is clear you feel yourself somehow better than others, and yet you have no real insight about it.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




WhiteRadiance -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 5:37:08 PM)

You go, girl!  


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

So you're mechanic doesn't owe you a lube job?  Come on dude, bend over, lighten up .. .I don't know what I find more disrespectful or ludicrous in your words ... that fact you think playing the it's all above love, and sharing and caring card ... when you have a partner ...which means that woman who shacks up with you falls in love with what?  Or do you have no balls that you must stay with a woman you will willingly disrepect ... at least clients who come and pay for it who are partnered ... aren't trying to play the biggest player do me trip in the world ... get over your warped sense of respect and intimacy and this effing lifestyle you have on a pedastal and find that mirror.




stockingluvr54 -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 5:49:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

To the subs on the board here.. when the time runs out and the timer dings and your session is over and you pay your fee, how do you feel afterward?

How does the pro feel afterward about the submissive?



Having only been to a pro once....and that's my ONLY experience in this D/s thing.....  All I can say is it was an excellant experience as I believe I got real lucky with a lady that took the time to make me comfortable and to "read" me and sensed my inexperienced limits. She also had strict limits as to what would and wouldn't take place...no sex!
OK...now the feelings part. It was just a mutual biz agreement as far as I was concerned? She met me for an interview over lunch...we set a date the following week and met. She taught me a few things about myself....I paid. Will I ever see a pro again? Probably not. Been there now and done that...no problem...now it's time to find a partner and put some emotion, feelings, and work into a relationship....




Emperor1956 -> RE: it's just me! (8/10/2006 10:40:13 PM)

Uh Ladies, LADIES...I don't think LotusSong meant to be nasty, mean spirited, ignorant or any of the other epithets you collectively threw down from Mount Olympus.  She was just being lighthearted, if a bit off key.

Remember what I said about fractiousness and ProDommes?  Please don't become stereotypes...its unbecoming.

E.




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