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GoddessDustyGold -> Too Much Familiarity? (12/22/2004 11:39:01 PM)

Since Whipenrod posted the "No Tie" post, I have elected to go ahead and ask for comments on a recent personal experience I had Myself.
I always prefer to meet an applicant in person, usually at a restaurant, for lunch or dinner and lots of quiet conversation. Emails, chats and even a phone call or two can only get one so far.
I agreed to make time for a "slave", as he identifies (hmmmm), when he was in town last month visiting family. Let it be known that this particular party has been chasing after Me for about 8 months now, but every indication is that he is not truly submissive. In fact, he is only one state away, and he had agreed to a visit some months ago and then failed to follow through. Said he got scared I wouldn't really meet him. And he did the "avoidance game" the week prior to his visit, so I was aware that he was not going to show. he is a playtime boy who wants what he wants and in his own way.
On the way to the restaurant, he got lost, but had the common sense to call the establishment, where I was waiting patiently, to get new directions. I waited an additional 45 minutes, (I was starving by then!) and he finally arrived. They led us to a banquette style booth and I took My usual place, which is the first area of the booth I hit. he seemed to expect Me to slide over so he could sit next to Me. I did not move. He finally went to the other side of the booth, and then slid all the way around until he was practically on top of me. This was a spacious banquette, and I saw no reason for this much proximity. This "slave", immediately reached for My arm, and squeezed My elbow several times, while telling Me how glad he was to finally meet Me in person. Since he was already well on his way to attempting a neck nuzzle or even a kiss, I quickly gave him a surprised look, told him his behavior was inappropriate and indicated that he should move away. He wanted to know where he should sit, so I pointed. He was not across from Me, but was now at a right angle to My position. This was entirely acceptable.
W/we ate and conversed, and I did let him know each time (and there were many) when I disapproved of the turn the conversation was taking.
Each time sexual kinks came up (his), he was quick to elaborate on how much he wanted to serve Me and how he could feel My power and My presence and that I was the one who could control him (on his terms, of course!). I gently chastized him, throughout O/our meal, for his forwardness and inability to know his place, even though he claims to have so much experience. I was also disappointed to hear him trashing other Dommes he had met, and why things could never work out between them. Although this was interesting to Me, and allowed Me to learn even more about this boy's true attitude toward the lifestyle, I also told him that discussing his perceived shortcomings of other Dommes (some he met from this site) was inappropriate. Toward the end of our meal, he asked if he could hold My hand. Again I said "No".
I honestly have never had this happen to Me before. Most applicants I meet are very respectful, and even nervous, and I always spend some time putting them at ease.
I personally do not consider these to be romatic dates. Conversation is always warm and friendly and meant to help the applicant to relax, as I cannot learn too much, if they are a complete nervous wreck the entire time. But I do ask alot of questions and I do, naturally, allow respectful questions to Me.
How do other Dommes handle first meetings? Has this happened to you? What behaviors do you allow or expect from a sub/slave applicant on a first Face To Face?
All opinions are welcome. All Dommes, Doms, male and female subs also, please do not hesitate to add your own thoughts here. I am interested to hear from anyone and everyone, on all sides of this coin.




MaitresseEden -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/23/2004 6:32:23 AM)

I would say your first assumptions are correct. While I can empathise with your giving him a second chance after standing you up the first time. ( we all know the first step into real time is difficult and I'm delighted to see your compassionate to understand that).. As for how I would have handled it. If despite repeated chatisements he still wouldn't behave I would have gentle set down my fork get up and say " Goodbye, we obviously arn't compatible and I'm not going to waste any more time dining with you" and quickly walk to my car. I don't have a problem with the hand holding if there is chemistry as my nature I'm a "touchy" person. But I have problems with assumptions of familiarity which is what it appears he felt. Looking at it from his perspective he has spent 8 months baring his soul to you and he wanted the reassurance that there was a connection. This is a tough one, because both sides of the coin are apparent. It all boils down to how you feel about him as a person. If you were attracted to him, or not, If your not comfortable, I say leave. I've have meeting with people who have left before the food arrived, and I have left before I ordered. it doesn't happen often, but I'm a big believer in trusting ones gut!

Ms. Eden




Jasmyn -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/23/2004 6:57:25 AM)

One thing I have learnt over the years is for every 10 no hopers calling the shots there is one genuine one waiting in the wings. Yes its a frustrating process but is worth it in the end.

Too many guys believe servitude to a dominant female is all sexual...and yes many people are ultimatley introduced to the lifestyle via their peens but those who *get it* are a blessing to behold.

Not that the guy is a complete write off. I would take a guy like that and stick a bucket on it's head and pretty pink ribbon about its cock ... then ask him if he thinks he's worthy of sticking that anywhere near you but underneath your feet...the male ego's such a fragile thing.

Jasmyn





MistressJadeMTL -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/23/2004 7:24:57 AM)

Milady,

I am also a great believer of trusting your instincts. Despite being in a vanilla establishment, there should definitely be a respectfulness in both attitude and communications from any potential sub or slave.

One who attempts physical contact such as you've mentioned should be reprimanded verbally. You are the one to be setting the standards of the meeting, and if the sub does not pay attention and respect those limits, then how can you ever be sure that they would even try to be properly submissive to you in a relationship.

Us Female Dommes are a rare commodity in this community - rare jewels in the crown of BDSM. A sub or slave should work very hard to gain our trust and one that breaks promises by not making a meeting, or who breaks protocol, even in a vanilla environment is most likely just a waste of your time.

If I was in a similar situation; I would have simply gotten up, explained that I was not satisfied with his behavior and style and that this was not going to work out, and left - no matter if I had already ordered or if the meal had arrived. I expect a sub to play by my rules and my time is too valuable to waste on someone such as you describe.

Mistress Jade




alwayzron -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/23/2004 8:27:40 PM)

quote:

Us Female Dommes are a rare commodity in this community

MJMTL .... I understand where you're coming from with this statement, but it's only partially true. While Dommes are a minority in the BDSM community (compared to Doms and fem & male subs), I have found an equally proportionate number of clueless and wannabe FemDoms. If I may paraphrase your statement, "Exceptional Fem Doms are a rare commodity" ... just as are truly exceptional male subs.




ShadeDiva -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/23/2004 9:31:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
I was also disappointed to hear him trashing other Dommes he had met, and why things could never work out between them. Although this was interesting to Me, and allowed Me to learn even more about this boy's true attitude toward the lifestyle, I also told him that discussing his perceived shortcomings of other Dommes (some he met from this site) was inappropriate.



I agree with what was stated in the other replies - but this piece of your post caught my interest a tad.

How do you know that he's actually met these dominants? I mean - he could just be talking out his ass - I have folks saying they met me, we had a relationship, and I've never even personally met them online - and definitely not in real life.

Personally? I'd ask for references. *grin* Bad or good - I want em. In the end I'll make up my own mind, anyway. Maybe find out who he served and then ask the ladies if they have ever heard of this person - just leave it dangling, see what they say and then filter it appropriately as your gut indicates.

Just a thought.

~ShadeDiva




sterlingsweet -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/24/2004 12:37:15 AM)

In response to GoddessDusty....

I consider myself a submissive/switch, but thinking from a Dommes
state of mind, i could imagine my Mistress would probably have tipped a full
glass of icewater in his lap and got up and asked the hostess to get someone to walk her to her car.

To me he didn't have much knowledge of the Lifestyle and respect, or else he just acted stupid, was he drunk?. Too bad you couldn't have had some sense of this when you were communicating with him. If you talked for 8 months, he must have come off like he knew of the Lifestyle, but maybe not so much Mistress/slave but of "Swinging"...who knows what the heck his problem was?
But I don't think it appropriate for anyone to just jump in that close no matter who you are meeting for the first time. Unless it's been discussed and you have communicated long enough to both feel comfortable with that. I know my Mistress and myself are LDR and when she drove here for the first time we embraced and kissed, we had been talking everyday for 4 months and we had gotten really emotionally close and wanted to have physical contact.
When it hasn't been discussed, I think you should have been paid the utmost respect.
What an Idiot![:'(]





BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/24/2004 9:22:15 PM)

Dear GoddessDustyGold,
I'm glad to read this post, thanks for sharing it... Something similar did happen to me, not on initial meeting; for that, the individual I went out with was very submissive/respectful, but as we began interacting/talking about/playing, it became increasingly about his needs, and what he needed to have happen in order to feel submissive (he needed a sadistic bitch, who doesn't much like sex with men, lol). Naturally he wasn't getting what he needed (neither was I), but he wanted to hold on, and basically whine/tantrum his way into molding me into the type of Domme he wanted (because I am new to the lifestyle, I thought)... Naturally, I told him to go find the type of Domme he needed, because we were not getting our needs met, and we were having power struggles, and for that, I didn't need/want him.
IMHO the boy with whom you had dinner was not very submissive. As for not showing up at 1st meeting, I'm fairly harsh on people who are dishonest; I don't mind afraid, or needing to reschedule/cancel for any reason; but I have a huge pet peeve about people who waste my time, so probably would not have given him a 2nd chance without some serious begging, among other hoops he'd have had to jump through.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Too Much Familiarity? (12/27/2004 5:53:14 PM)

Just hitting the last reply button, but this is to all who have answered thus far.
This is the first opportunity I have had to come back and check, and hoping all are having wonderful holidays.
In actuality, I was very aware that this would most likely never work out, and I was amused for most of the meal at his pathetic attempts to flatter Me when he was, so obviously, seeking to serve his own sexual ends.
As stated, I was starving, kept him well under control, was in a safe environment, and hated to waste a wonderful filet mignon. Yes, I took home a doggie bag, and the dinner did not last as long as it might have with another.
In the eight months he has been chasing Me down, it has always been apparent that he wants the fantasy, and really has no ability to handle the reality. But, what the hell!
Shade Diva, you are absolutely correct...I do not know if he has truly met any of the others he mentioned...and of course, I take that sort of talk with a grain of salt. It is not appropriate in the first place, and I am not a Domina who finds it flattering to be told I am better than others. It is all BS to Me. But it definitely shows where the boy is coming from, and a definite lack of class. So if there had been a remote possiblity that I could have worked with this boy, he really blew it with those "other Domme" comments.
sterlingsweet...I laughed at the idea of tipping the glass of ice water into his lap. I normally never have a problem, but that is such a nice idea, in case I find Myself having dinner with another such "do me" boy!




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