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juliaoceania -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/13/2006 1:12:38 PM)

I am not allowed to say anything negative about any dominant when discussing Ds and other dominant's decisions concerning their dynamics, it is a rule my Daddy has for me, so I must respect what your dom says without undermining it, that being said.. I must ask since he is reading this thread.. is there not any other way for her to show her loyalty then in engaging in a behavior that could be damaging to her in her professional life? It is your choice what to do with your own collared submissive, but surely there is another way, such as a certain style of font or a certain color of font that she must use?

I do not know if this was asked or established, but if this is an online only Ds relationship, this maybe why there is so much importance put on how someone capitalizes things, instead of behavior. I do not need reminders of my place in my Daddy's life, he manages to impress this upon me even when he is making me laugh. We interact in real life or on the phone, so it wouldn't matter so much how I type things, as much as how I act. Just my thoughts... Good luck simplygrl... I will send some light out there for you.




simplygrl -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/13/2006 5:54:15 PM)

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  I must ask since he is reading this thread..


Honestly, I'm not even certain that he is at this time.  He knows it exsits, yes, but I'm not sure if he is actively reading it.

As for our relationship, it's a bit of both at this time--phone, internet, and real life as each opportunity is available.  It's hard to classify beyond that, really.  :)

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I will send some light out there for you.


Thank you.




Donnalee -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/13/2006 6:13:26 PM)

I can see how hard you're trying to solve this problem....it seems to be a trait of people who have to constantly struggle to deal with learning disabilities......you don't sound whiny at all to me.

What about changing the color or font of your correspondence to him, and then only use that color for him?  Maybe he could choose it, or you could enjoy that together...coming up with a special color, font, or even online stationary?  I think that would be very sweet while letting you enjoy some of the peace of having found a way to communicate using the written word.

Good luck!




maybemaybenot -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/13/2006 9:43:19 PM)

You have a learning disability that you have worked hard on and have overcome/adjusted it so that you can have a successful career. Your Dominant cares not that his desires may hinder your career. He believes that some foolish, self serving typing style will remind you of your submissiveness. He  knows this is detrimental to you.
IMO, he is an idiot.

Take a minute to think about what you are trying to do for him. Why are you looking for ways to circumvent the progress you have made? Any Dominant worth their salt isn't going to set their submissive up to fail and to risk her/his career/profession.

Maybe he needs a little homework project. Like learning about dyslexia and deciding if he can live with the limitations it may present in his idea of a D/s dynamic.

I am assuming you are a typist of some sort. Congrats on taking on a difficult career, given your dyslexia. You should feel proud of yourself, not less than yourself because you can't type up to some Dominants expectations.
                                    mbmbn




MzMinx -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/13/2006 10:58:49 PM)

simplygrl

as one who also has  a  brain dysfunction which effects my ability to type  etc .. I know in part how you feel and indeed how much effort it takes to come up to competance in such skills  ...  I  to work in a professional field ... and although verbal is my best resource.. I cant avoid written

one of the things I found usefull  was to sepperate  actions out from the  conversation...

such things  like *smiles* .... or  any other action ...  which for you, might be  kneeling or lowering your eyes  etc ... small things which you would do in real.. that you feel as you converse with your Master ...  I dont mean full on cybering ...  but little things that help you feel and show  your thoughts

For me  each was clearly marked from the normal conversational typing I was engaging in .... how that was done depended on the program ...  but  changeing the text type... or  the colour,  or as I generaly do,  put it in *xxxxxx* 


it allowed me to feel that I could add emotional  things to the words I was useing and sepperate such from my profesional style of writting ...  it  was one  of a few tools I used to allow me to relax into the online medium...  another is as you see ... is  not spending as much time on written grammer forms such as sentance constructs etc 

All of  which have been a benifit to me  because it has forced me to use written language and  to better express thoughts in written form, neither of  which was one of my better skills......   both have  significantly improved  for me over the years

*warmly smiles .... at the girl *  I  think it is  wonderful you are trying so very hard to be pleasing.. it is not my call to say if its a  good request .....but  like others  I  would be wary of you loosing the skills you currently have .... and its great you recognise the risk

but I know for myself that their have been benifits in useing different styles on a  regular basis

good luck with  your search




simplygrl -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/13/2006 11:45:37 PM)



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I can see how hard you're trying to solve this problem....it seems to be a trait of people who have to constantly struggle to deal with learning disabilities......you don't sound whiny at all to me.


That's good, I was worried it might come off like that. :)

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What about changing the color or font of your correspondence to him, and then only use that color for him?  Maybe he could choose it, or you could enjoy that together...coming up with a special color, font, or even online stationary?  I think that would be very sweet while letting you enjoy some of the peace of having found a way to communicate using the written word.



I will certainly add that to the list! Thank you!
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Good luck!


I'm afraid I'll need it... hehe.  Thanks.




IronBear -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 5:11:42 AM)

Without having read the replies here are my thoughts. First off I would have a girl not use and special form of sentence structure other than the normal one such as capping the “I” in “I am” etc. Secondly I would have a girl invest in a voice recognition program such as “Dragon Speaking Naturally”. With a little time invested in the training phase (both for the girl and for the program) it is easy to have your thoughts pop up on a page ready for editing. I’d be writing in “Word” and access the spell and grammar checker to aid you. It may take time but it will eradicate many of the problems caused by dyslexia. Just remember no two dyslexic will have identical problems ~ I am unable to see errors when typing into the input boxes in chat or messenger but they are glaringly obvious when read on the posted page. Under the stress of examinations I at times can not decipher the written word which looks like a block of indecipherable characters. Sometimes taking a break, getting a coffee, lighting up a smoke or just deep breathing/meditation for a few minutes helps too.  Yes I am dyslexic and have learned to deal with it and I guess what I have suggested works for me but may not work for everybody.. Luck lass I hope you can resolve the issue..




imadom4u -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 8:29:42 AM)

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Or maybe refer to him with a smiley that resembles an image of him. [sm=idea.gif]
I think this could be a good idea too. Perhaps you could ask your Sir if you can replace these emoticons for the; Sir We/we etc. Doesn't hurt to ask. Or does it?




RFlagg -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 9:33:55 AM)

To simplygrl;

First I would like to say that I hope you do not take any of the negative comments in this thread that have been directed at your “Sir” to heart.  I think I can understand your situation (even though I am not Dyslexic) and I can understand your “Sir's” desire to have you communicate in a submissive manner.  Method of communication is a very powerful element of any relationship, and managing that can be a very useful tool in fostering deep, long-term submission.

In your situation, there is obviously a conflict, but that does not mean either He nor you need to completely ignore His request simply because you have more trouble than another sub might have.  That would be like saying to a blind person, “oh well, you are blind, so you can just sit at home and do nothing.”  I know many people with disabilities, and being treated as a person with a disability is usually the most offensive thing someone can do to them.

Also, I would like to point out that even though you are Dyslexic, there are plenty of subs who are not Dyslexic who have faced this same challenge.  I remember one women in my office saying “a girl” when referring to herself during an executive meeting.  I do not think anyone else caught it at the time, but I did, and I had a conversation with her about it later.  The things you can learn about people … *smile*

But I digress.

It might have been mentioned before, but one option could be to speak normally, but add a submission indicator in front of your speech.  For example:

           a girl says: “it is so good to see you Sir.  I have missed you all day.”
           a girl asks: “is there anything, Sir, that I can do for you?”

I have deliberately tried to move “Sir” around and use I instead of i.  Also, if indicating “say” versus “ask” is difficult then even just “a girl speaks:” could be enough.

Another one that was mentioned and I would support as well is the idea of adding lines of text that are strictly intended to color the conversation with submissive indicators.  For example, in a regular conversation you might say:

           Hello, Sir, how was your day today?
           My day at work was very hectic, but I feel much better now seeing you.

Okay, so I am not all that great at inventing non-slave girl dialogue, but hopefully you get the idea.  When talking to your “Sir” however, you would say something like this:

           *lowers her eyes*
           Hello, Sir, how was your day today?
           *peeks to him*
           My day at work was very hectic, but I feel much better now seeing you.
           *beams with delight*

The “speech” part of the text remains the same, and should not conflict with how you need to speak or write at work.  But the *actions* add a submissive color that you are not likely to use in the office, and even if you did, you should be able to quickly recognize them and hopefully remove them from your work.

Now, if you add these together, you might get:

           *lowers her eyes*
           a girl asks: “Hello, Sir, how was your day today?”
           *peeks to him*
           a girl says: “My day at work was very hectic, but I feel much better now seeing you.”
           *beams with delight*

Even with the actual English not changing at all, there is a lot of submissive indication added to this text (perhaps more than is necessary).  You and your “Sir” can pick what is right for you. 


I think it is great that your “Sir” is looking for alternatives that best fit your situation, and I hope that some of the information you find in this thread will be helpful to you in exploring this element of submission.


Good Luck!




simplygrl -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 1:52:07 PM)

There are many things I would like to say to you in response, but in general...Thank You.  I might seem to get a bit repetitive about that... ;)

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In your situation, there is obviously a conflict, but that does not mean either He nor you need to completely ignore His request simply because you have more trouble than another sub might have.  That would be like saying to a blind person, “oh well, you are blind, so you can just sit at home and do nothing.”  I know many people with disabilities, and being treated as a person with a disability is usually the most offensive thing someone can do to them.


Thank you.  I'm not wishing, or even attempting to ignore his request.  And I know, without doubt, that he would never intentionally do something to cause me professional hardship.


And, well, I can't even reply completely to your comment!  Saying "Thank you" and thanking you for each suggestion is just too redundant...haha  But I really do mean it.  Several of your suggestions have great possibilities. :)





DoraExplorer -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 1:54:22 PM)

Do you think you need more submissive markers in the way you talk to him?  If not, why does he think so?  This sounds like it might be a mis-communication problem rather than a 'type' or mode of communication issue... just a thought.




RFlagg -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 4:02:47 PM)

You are welcome!  *smile*




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/14/2006 4:38:21 PM)

I agree that you should talk with Him.

For the most part its habit for Me to use terms of Authroity...if I write to another Mistress I always address Her as that.Same goes for a Master.

For Myself....I expect a capitol 'M' whether its Ma'am ,Miss or Mistress whenever chatting online and in any letters they write.
If someone who normally does that slips up...I dont get upset and make a point of mentioning it...unless it continues.
The one thing I am a stickler for is using the word You instead of the letter 'U' .In My eyes that is just completely disrespectful,especially if its a lower case 'u'...huge pet peeve.




simplygrl -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 2:09:21 AM)

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Do you think you need more submissive markers in the way you talk to him?  If not, why does he think so?  This sounds like it might be a mis-communication problem rather than a 'type' or mode of communication issue... just a thought.


I do not feel that it's my place to ask why he thinks so, but rather to accept that he does and attempt to meet (or exceed, heh) his request.

Thank you for the reply, however! :)




krys -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 4:37:19 AM)

You have a disability.  No amount of training or desire to serve is going to change that.  If you were allergic to shellfish, you could try to comply with your Sir's command to enjoy your shrimp dinner he ordered for you.  But no amount of training and straining to please is going to make that shrimp dinner anything other than a very unpleasant and, in the end, rather fruitless exercise in futility. 

Unfortunately it sounds as if you have been set up for inevitable failure.  And if there is no room for reasonable compromise, those "I just don't want to type because the sentence structure drives me mad" moments may just build a level of frustration where you don't type anymore. 

Even "no limits" type submission needs room to recognize human limitations.  I would suggest a long long talk with your Sir as to what your human limitations are.  Before resentment sets in.




Arpig -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 4:41:27 AM)

Personally I find the whole idea to be silly, and to be honest I question the man's real motive, I suspect that it is not you that needs constant reminding of your submission, but hey, to each his own, etc.
As for showing respect in typing, well just make sure the words themselves show the respect.




Saffleur -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 8:17:13 AM)

Speaking from experience. My slave is dyslexic as well as having ADD, ADHD. I accept those things for what they are. I do not make her feel unworthy due to grammatical errors either. It is part of accepting the things that she can't change. If he walked in willing knowing that you were dyslexic then he only has himself to blame. If he is complaining over it then he needs to realize that you are trying and that it isn't the easiest thing to defeat.

I personally don't require the grammatical structure that seems to run rampant online with the Y/you and the capitalization words in the middle of the sentences. We each have our preferences in that area.

But, yes he should be accepting of something that is generally uncontrollable. Nor do you sound whiny...yet. [;)]




MistressOfGa -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 8:56:57 AM)

 
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I'd just like to add he's acting like an insecure, immature arse!

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he's very insecure and doesn't really have your best interest at heart (just my opinion). 

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He's an unpleasable ass. 

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He believes that some foolish, self serving typing style will remind you of your submissiveness. He  knows this is detrimental to you.
IMO, he is an idiot.

This is for all of those who have called her Master names and generally cut him down for asking HIS slave to do something that is important to HIM. How would you like it if you asked your slave to come here and to seek alternatives to a problem that you had, and came back to find that some dominants have called you names and critisized you for what you wanted your slave to do? This is just plain wrong in my opinon. YOU have NO right to call her Master names, put him down or otherwise demean him to her on these boards. Yes, you can argue that you have opinions and that you have the right to express those, but God forbid you send your slave here to seek advice and have others cut you to shit for her/him following your orders.
 
God, I hate this place sometimes.




Tamerofwild1s -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 9:31:37 AM)

ok . just a confusion here ... I'm sure on my part but .....
 
you call him Sir and thats not enough to show your submission to him ?
you wear his collar and thats not enough showing of your submission to him ?
 
there seems to be an issue with his own esteem ...I know this is just what I am reading from all this but if the girl wears my collar and calls me Sir in direct answer to a question .. that shows me all the submission in the world. Some how I don't think your dyslexia is gonna allow you to call him GrandPoobahLordGod of all.
 
ask of your Dom exactly what he wants to prove your submission to him ... and remember as Doms/Masters it is ours to care for our sub/slaves we have to help them with their needs even the special needs they may have




catize -> RE: Showing respect while typing? (8/15/2006 11:35:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

 
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I'd just like to add he's acting like an insecure, immature arse!

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he's very insecure and doesn't really have your best interest at heart (just my opinion). 

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He's an unpleasable ass. 

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He believes that some foolish, self serving typing style will remind you of your submissiveness. He  knows this is detrimental to you.
IMO, he is an idiot.

This is for all of those who have called her Master names and generally cut him down for asking HIS slave to do something that is important to HIM. How would you like it if you asked your slave to come here and to seek alternatives to a problem that you had, and came back to find that some dominants have called you names and critisized you for what you wanted your slave to do? This is just plain wrong in my opinon. YOU have NO right to call her Master names, put him down or otherwise demean him to her on these boards. Yes, you can argue that you have opinions and that you have the right to express those, but God forbid you send your slave here to seek advice and have others cut you to shit for her/him following your orders.
 
God, I hate this place sometimes.

She has tried to fix the problem; it hasn;t worked through no fault of her own.  Instead of researching things himself or trying to come up with some orginial ideas of his own, he sends her out again and she is feeling frustrated.  Instead of accepting her limitations with the written word, he stubbornly demands she fix the unfixable.  Her posts show that she respects him and takes her submission seriously; that doesn't mean I have to avoid calling him as I see him




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