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ExSteelAgain -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 4:23:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire The day I worry about what people object to my lifestyle is the day I would like to be shot and buried. I dont care if my friends approve of how I choose to live my life, I sure as hell wont care of a bunch of religious zealots who have no idea who I am like how I decide to live. I have to say on an intrinsic level I do not give a rat's ass if they like me, approve of me, or hate me, or want to have me chained up in the town's square while they have me whipped by a hooded man I do not know (Ok, stop the fantasizing in open forums, not very classy of me). But on another level, I do care. I care because this country is ran by these freaks that pass laws at the state level to impede our sexual rights. They pass laws against sodomy for example because they hate gays. They will come after dommes because they hate women. They will legislate their morality in any way they can.. and they will come after you after they get all the homosexuals.. make no mistake about it... these people are not well in the head This reminds me of Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter. Intrinsic levels and rats’ asses colliding in a cataclysmic explosion until time reverses to the New England town square with the accused in stocks. (Disclaimer, I have no idea what I just said. I was typing in tongues.)

WhipTheHip -> Who did Christians torture and exterminate? (8/14/2006 6:56:12 AM)
Who did Christians torture, try to exterminate and burn at the stake: Albigensians, Apostolici, Arians, Beguines, Bogomils, Beghards, Brethren of the Free Spirit, Cathars, Fraticelli, Gnostics, Hussites, Huguenots, Knights Templar, Lollards, Manichaeans, Moors, Waldensians, and "witches." They tortured and burned alive scientists, homosexuals, and philosophers. Protestants slaughtered Catholics; Catholics slaughtered Protestants. They all slaughtered Jews. There were four inquisitions lasting over 1,000 years, and ending just recently. Crusaders routinely slaughtered whole cities including old men, women, sick, poor, crippled and young children. Their clarion call was: "Kill them all, let God sort them out." Heretics were slowly, ruthlessly tortured for weeks on end in Medieval dungeons filled with real torture devices. They were forced to denounce as heretics all their own family members, all their friends and relatives, and everyone they loved. They had their tongues cut out, than were placed on a low temperature fire that caused a slow agonizing death.

WhipTheHip -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 7:18:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen It did get me to thinking though, maybe the church want to recruit those into bdsm not to save their souls, but for the next inquisition - after all, where else will they find people with experience of inflicting pain and humiliation and who also have all the necessary equipment? I suggest a counter inquisition though - christians seem to revel in suffering for christ; and there are quite a few who could benefit from the spiritual value of such suffering. E Christians have several sects devoted to bdsm. They have several self-flagellant sects, and one sect devoted to self-torture, Opus Dei. Warmest and kindest regards,Michael

WhipTheHip -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 7:41:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mons greetings to all i am a christian and i am proud to believe in god *mons [8D]* What would you say to someone who said, "I am a Nazi, and proud to believe in God." Christianity has been the greatest source of evil in the world for most of the last 2,000. > for those who are saying that if you do good you are forgiven it is true According to Christianity all you need to do to be forgiven is believe Jesus died for your sins. > oh sure i would never go to my pastor and say i am a domme. Why not? If you had been born a few hundred years ago, Christians would have tortured you, and burned you at the stake for being a "witch" or a heretic. > yes i did struggle with my faith and my need to be who i am, > but in my heart god knows who i truly am it does not matter > what i am doing but it is what i am insdie . And here all this time, I thought God judged man by what he did, not his thoughts. So, in other words, you can murder anyone you please, but as long as you are a good person inside, everything will be okay? > i live through deady illness and i still have things i go > through. Do you think God gave you this illness or cured you of it? > yes i do understand the angry you all havew with > many of the peopke who say they are christian, but > a true christian never judges other or names call. > this is what i truly know i seen this in my chruch. > they welcome all gay bi and us too. Study the history of the church, and you will see they are not so tolerant. They accept you today, because they can no longer torture and kill people who do not share their dogma. They put on a facade to get you to become one of them. But in the past, make no mistake they would have slowly tortured you and perhaps your family and your loved ones than put all of you to death. Today, Christianity wears a smiley mask. > there are some crazy people who called > theirselves christain and will fight anyone > they think is not like them, Torquemada was a Christian. So were all grand Inquisitors. So were muderous popes. Study the history of Chritianity. Warmest and kindest regards, Michael

MSUBLACKGIRL -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 8:30:52 AM)
That group is so incredible ignorant...we shouldn't acknowledge their ignorance. Let this thread die

LadyEllen -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 8:37:22 AM)
Michael - you are missing the point surely? It is merciful to torture confessions from heretics, that their souls might endure minimal suffering on earth rather than eternal suffering in hell. It is compassionate to kill those opposed to one's dogma, that they might be judged by God and saved by one's intervention. It is loving to treat those who disagree with one as animals, for surely one who disagrees with the dogma is of lesser intellect? It is a work most holy to exterminate whole populations who are heretical, or who disagree with or are opposed to one's dogma, for they might otherwise contaminate the faithful and lead them astray were they permitted to live. I find "Malleus Maleficarum" a most interesting book. Written for the purpose of inquisition as a guide, it is a christian work and possibly the most evil, twisted piece of literature ever published. It argues with logic and by reference to scripture the kind of arguments I wrote above, justifying all manner of abuse and slaughter for the benefit of the victims. It raises the question of how God can be good? If God is good, then he is 100% good and ergo cannot produce evil, either direct or indirect. That he clearly has produced evil, means he cannot be 100% good, and therefore means he is not God. I note he is the same God of Judaism and Islam, both of which forms and their congregations produce evil too. Kind of conclusive. I accept that there are many good people out there who consider themselves christians, and many who were formerly less than good who attribute their present good character to christ. But there are also many good people of other religions and of no religion, indicating that goodness is not exclusive to God or christ, which is awkward for fundies claiming God and christ to be the sole source of this quality. There are also many bad people in all camps - if we are to attribute the good then we ought also to attribute the bad to those same sources - otherwise the Holy Spirit is either useless, non existent or not 100% good and thus not God. Thus it is foolish for fundies to criticise anyone as they have no moral ground from which to preach. That they choose the ways of the inquisition over the speech of their christ (remove the mote in your own eye etc.) proves they are about as christian as my armchair. (Unless they are taking that bit literally as they do with so much else, as opthalmic advice). The worrying thing is that they have the money, power and influence to make all our nightmares come true. Sin Heil! E

barbiealto -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 8:48:57 AM)
oh I so enjoy a challenge! Just waiting to see if my membership is approved!

NastyDaddy -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 9:06:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barbiealto ... Just waiting to see if my membership is approved! It's so funny nobody realizes the whole intent of the OP was to get upset or irate people to sign-up as members of his toy yahoo club..... wonder who on the flip side he boasts to of high membership numbers in his toy club to ''bolster'' his alleged cause? The obvious must therefore be asked of all readers of this bullshit thread... or the OP's bullshit yahoo club... ''who is guiding who here?'' I can't believe all the adamant heartfelt responses posted to this rediculous ''play both sides'' thread... this idiot has all of you chasing your tail as he wanks and laughs at you! Stop the madness and do not contribute anything any longer to his little ant farm toy science project.... WAKE UP!

barbiealto -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 9:11:19 AM)
one can join...... one can leave! I for one will be interested ( IF they allow me to join I had trouble writing a statement that sounded innocent enough to gte them to allow me in) to see what their opinions are!

LadyEllen -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 9:27:19 AM)
But Nasty - he's likely reading all I post, and I would so much prefer it if he got the idea that if he or his friends come to my house, then I wont run into the flames as the Cathars did. Where I live there are enough of we Heathens to make sure his views about us come painfully true! Quite how to avenge thousands of heathen Norse on a few fundies might pose a dilemna, but I'm sure we could think of something. E

NastyDaddy -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 9:34:31 AM)
I won't play his idiotic game or allow him to guide me anywhere... to each their own. The best way to extinguish a fire is to starve it of fuel... not to add any more fuel. The idiot will exploit your curiosity or your rage... you pick either or both!

juliaoceania -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 10:51:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy I won't play his idiotic game or allow him to guide me anywhere... to each their own. The best way to extinguish a fire is to starve it of fuel... not to add any more fuel. The idiot will exploit your curiosity or your rage... you pick either or both! The only fuel they need is that we exist, that is all the fuel they ever needed to feed their extremist fire. I will not join either, but it doesn't mean I will ignore them. I ignored them when they took over the country, I slept complacent and trusting in my bed, and while I did they multiplied like a virus, spreading their vitriol wherever they liked. Never ignore them, it isn't like the Boogieman, these people exist whether you ignore them or don't... quote: In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Jewish. Then they came for the trade unionist, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant, Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a homosexual, Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me." --Rev. Martin Niemoeller, German Lutheran Pastor

barbiealto -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 10:53:22 AM)
what a surprise..... here is the reply I got from the site.....oh I include my 'application' too "I am very interested to see what your group is about ..... is it set against Pro Dommes or all women who are Dominant? I enjoy good debates. Barbs" It's only set against women who exploit vulnerable men (the desperate sexually incompatible types). As a woman who will probably argue the case for dommes, I cannot let you in. Sorry, it's not personal

LotusSong -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:10:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barbiealto what a surprise..... here is the reply I got from the site.....oh I include my 'application' too Well. he is probably reading THIS post as well :) "I am very interested to see what your group is about ..... is it set against Pro Dommes or all women who are Dominant? I enjoy good debates. Barbs" It's only set against women who exploit vulnerable men (the desperate sexually incompatible types). As a woman who will probably argue the case for dommes, I cannot let you in. Sorry, it's not personal

mnottertail -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:16:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barbiealto It's only set against women who exploit vulnerable men (the desperate sexually incompatible types). LMFCAO, Isn't that an extremely perceptive description of ALL males? I rejoice in the world's innanity. Ron

NastyDaddy -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:17:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The only fuel they need is that we exist, that is all the fuel they ever needed to feed their extremist fire. With that statement you are saying the only way to extinguish their fire is by burning us all up. Once the only fuel they need is gone, then their flame dies... Does this infer more than mere hate words and idiotic message board ploys are forthcoming... a 5th Inquisition? quote: I will not join either, but it doesn't mean I will ignore them. I ignored them when they took over the country, I slept complacent and trusting in my bed, and while I did they multiplied like a virus, spreading their vitriol wherever they liked. Never ignore them, it isn't like the Boogieman, these people exist whether you ignore them or don't... Surely there is more to your strategy than to simply ''not ignore'' them and quote world war combatant tactics as seen by one who was pursued by a then first world nation high-tech powered and somewhat efficient military regime? Since you brought that up... Nazi's... could previous instances of this type of religious zealot right wing extremist fundamentalist sanctioned and ordained activity be a factor regarding Hitler's perspective? I can see the potential he chose to ''not ignore'' them. I don't think you were ignoring them as they took over the country. You have to be born to observe or ignore and this mold has been growing since the raping of North America. It's been growing ever since native american indians were slaughtered, raped butchered, etc and removed from their own homelands in order that all the above zealots shall be capable of multiplying and being free to pursue their own flavor of religion, on the very land they pillaged from otherwise innocent masses of native inhabitants. Please enlighten me further on the ''not ignore'' approach... I personally think they appreciate you keeping one eye looking over your shoulder...religious terrorism... a real ShitHad!

juliaoceania -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:27:32 AM)
These forces must be checked in every generation. Every culture has them. What is it these same forces say to peaceniks like me? "Freedom isn't free"... they have to be checked and kept in line or they will be telling you what to do

popeye1250 -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:43:05 AM)
Mnottertail, it sounds like the guy who started that group is a "Closeted" Homosexual if he has that attitude about women. Julia, correct! Everytime those Holy Rollers even step on the property I tell them to go Fuck Themselves! (This condo development is private property, "Owners and Guests only") Oh! You know what else I do to really get them angry? I tell them; "Hey! Your ancesters used to be CATHOLICS!" "What the hell happenned to you?" "You fuckin' PAGANS!" "You're all going to go back to being CATHOLICS too!" They get fuckin' STEAMED!!! lolol

NastyDaddy -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:43:23 AM)
Wonderful analysis... and your solution/answer is? Should we have a generational cleansing, say once every twenty years make it open hunting season with a specified bag limit? Are you talking of checking them in, or checking them out? Screw their induced paranoia... don't feed it or become part of it. What do you normally do in the present when the doorbell rings, and you peer out the window to see two white shirt and tie clad lads, each holding a bible and one with his finger on your doorbell button? In the old days the mere sound of a double-barrel shotgun being closed would send them running... what do you do, watch them or yell there's nobody home?

LadyEllen -> RE: BIGGOTS AGAINST BDSM (8/14/2006 11:47:52 AM)
so the site is against women exploiting men? what about men exploiting women? Oh wait - silly me! men exploiting women is OK in christianity isnt it!? In fact its a religious duty. E

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