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Lisping Sweethearts and Bear Communes - 8/13/2006 9:44:42 PM

TreSwank

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After a six-month period of being employed part-time at a local gay-friendly booze joint, and indulging himself in his usual mercurial, unfocused, and haphazard research, TreSwank has arrived at yet another arbitrary conclusion to an issue that most folks would rather leave alone than pick at like a raw, fluid-swollen pustule.

I LOVE gay men, in much of the same way that I love the great outdoors, picturesque sunsets, smiling children, and dirty, raw, primal copulation with fat-assed women. The big issue that separates alot of homophobes and homo-friendlies is simply this little question: IS HOMOSEXUALITY AN INBORN CHARACTERISTIC, OR A LEARNED TRAIT? (Note to readers: In this post, I'll be mostly referring to the sexual orientation of MEN. Women's sexuality is far too fluid for me to grab my trusty machete and tread down dubious paths of "female bisexuality" and "ideological lesbianism")

Animal research has PROVEN that male mice whose prenatal hormone exposure levels are altered, will demonstrate the phenomenon of lordosis (the female copulatory position) when in the presence of other males. These same biologically-altered mice, will demonstrate behaviors that epitomize those of the female gender among their species.

Now.........to draw a parallel, and to make an intuitive leap from behavioral patterns in mice to my own personal empirical observations of the gay community (Sweet Jesus, am I stretching it or what?), most "flaming" effeminate men that I've befriended openly identify themselves as "bottoms", which are, the passive (or not so passive) recipients of anal intercourse. I think that there is a very distinct possibility that "feminine" gay men are those fellows whose homosexuality is caused by an unusual prenatal dosing of those chemicals that control gender traits.

"But what about the uber-masculine gay men who don't lisp, or possess ungodly, runway-worthy color-coordination? What about those sexy hairsute trucker bears, or muscle boys?"

I'll cite two separate theories for this. The first is that some "masculine" gay men actually possess a gene that makes them gay. In a strange, biologically random world where babies can emerge from their mother's womb possessing both male and female genitalia, I don't think that it's a far stretch to believe that a gay gene just simply "exists".

CONTROVERSIAL THEORY #2
Amongst the gay community, I've very unfortunately, met a WAY DISPROPORTIONATE amount of masculine homosexual men who claimed to have been molested by male figures as children. I believe that a seasoned pedophile, like an adept wild predator in it's natural habitat, will seek out prey that displays certain vulnerable qualities, and that the children who display these weak-points have undeveloped aspects of their personality which are so malleable, as to make them extremely impressionable to psychic attacks, such as molestation. The trauma of the defining event thus bends their personality to forever equate sexual intercourse with men.

There you have it folks. I probably could have summarized this rambling post into the sentence: "I believe that most male homosexuality is genetic, while some is caused by sexual trauma", but that just ain't TreSwank's style.

Kudos, and hugs and kisses to all the gay men out there in CollarMe. After years of suffering in the dark, I believe that things might actually get better for you. For thousands of fucking years, gay men have been reviled, killed and humiliated by bigots and hatemongers. It's about time that you had the chance to live without fear.

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RE: Lisping Sweethearts and Bear Communes - 8/15/2006 9:26:55 AM

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so that was the "waiting approval" thread? Not sure it needed much approval?

I think its been fairly well established that there must be something inherent to male sexual preference - ie its not a learned characteristic. And in post mortem M2F TS women there have been found female brain structures which might explain their gender identity crises. I personally dont think its possible for a male to learn to be homosexual, just as its not possible for him to learn to be heterosexual (or bi) or unlearn to be homosexual (see the aversion therapy era). Its something thats there (for whatever reason) from birth - all my gay and lesbian friends tell me they always had that orientation since early childhood. Equally all my straight friends have no interest whatever to even try a homosexual relationship.

What would be interesting - but totally unethical, would be to place a sample group of males from birth in an exclusively male environment, and see whether the rate of homosexual behaviour per capita was higher or lower than in the general population. Equally it would be interesting to look at the sexuality of children raised in isolation or by animals -whether that affected their orientation?

Overall though, I have to strongly disagree with your notion that child abuse might lead to a boy becoming gay by association of sexuality with a male abuser. It is far more likely to result in the child being traumatised against any sexual encounter, and to fear rather than desire males. I have a friend to whom this happened when he was 8 years old, and he is the most vehement homophobe I ever came across now as well as being excessively aggressive to other males - it ruined his life in more ways than that too. We also have to ask whether female victims of child abuse by a male become heterosexual because of such association? Doubtful as they experience the same sort of traumas as a result. No one discovers or adopts a sexuality because of abuse - although it may just be that the examples you mentioned, having a gay orientation in the first place did somehow lend themselves to such encounters in the same way that hetero schoolboys will seek proximity to a young female teacher.

Effeminacy in gay men? well, yes some I know are, (but in a nagging old woman way rather than a liking for pink tutus!), but many are not. I guess it could be something to do with a female brain structure as with TS women, but without the accompanying gender identity crisis? Trouble is we'd have to slice their heads open to find out, so speculation will do for now! All in all, we are all just so complicated that the future for psychology and neuroscience is a long one!

I join you in wishing a safe future for gay men -and lesbians, bisexuals, intersex, transsexuals and every one else in our complicated species!
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RE: Lisping Sweethearts and Bear Communes - 8/15/2006 9:37:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

What would be interesting - but totally unethical, would be to place a sample group of males from birth in an exclusively male environment, and see whether the rate of homosexual behaviour per capita was higher or lower than in the general population. Equally it would be interesting to look at the sexuality of children raised in isolation or by animals -whether that affected their orientation?

You get a lot of homosexual sex in prison then the moment prisoners are released it is as though they had never indulged and are quite put off by the thought. (That's my experience of working with offenders, not being one.)

I have a friend who is gay and we lived in a mining village were all the pressure (if there was any) was to be a macho-hetro, yet that failed to socialise him. In fact most people recognized he was gay before he could admit it to himself. That could have been down to his lousy dress sense and the angle at which he wore his flat cap.

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RE: Lisping Sweethearts and Bear Communes - 8/15/2006 9:43:40 AM

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Hi MC

True - males (and females) will cross the line in the right (wrong) environment - but I would say that is more of a function of environment given that once removed from it, they revert to what is normal for them - it doesnt change their inherent orientation. It does make me wonder though, if a gay guy was placed in a female prison, what would happen? Would he adopt heterosexuality for a time?

I'd best stop now, the ethics committee in my head is on the phone...!
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RE: Lisping Sweethearts and Bear Communes - 8/15/2006 9:49:24 AM

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It is My belief that it is genetic disposition. The hows I do not know, but there seems to be too much information out there to deny this.

By the way, I can not say I love gay men, but I have only ever met one that I did not like.

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