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LotusSong -> Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 11:27:46 AM)

People will start groups when their needs are not being addressed within the kommunity that is available. 

With this thread, I hope to have those who have attempted to, currently facilitating or just thinking about starting a group to share their highlights, lowlights, sucesses or questions.





darkinshadows -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 11:30:41 AM)

Always remember, that when starting or co-hosting a group that it isn't YOUR group.  That it belongs to everyone.
Otherwise, it becomes stagnant and dies.
 
Peace and Rapture




Slipstreme -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 11:31:39 AM)

I have been thinking about starting a University based group for students in my local area, but I haven't seemed to come across much interest in it




LotusSong -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 11:39:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Always remember, that when starting or co-hosting a group that it isn't YOUR group.  That it belongs to everyone.
Otherwise, it becomes stagnant and dies.
 
Peace and Rapture



What I found that there are more parasites than facilitators.  There are those that will  be all for going to the group's functions.. but won't do a lick to help get things going or work.  Thus it rides on one or two shoulders.  The originators get tired of carrying the weight.. and if anything.. it's the "everyone" that  created the problem. There are "drivers" and there are "riders".

Also..the facilitors are usually so busy they don't even get to enjoy the group they started.

What got me thinking on it was a comment that Crappy Dom made in his Poor Me post :) 




darkinshadows -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 11:47:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Always remember, that when starting or co-hosting a group that it isn't YOUR group.  That it belongs to everyone.
Otherwise, it becomes stagnant and dies.
 
Peace and Rapture



What I found that there are more parasites than facilitators.  There are those that will  be all for going to the group's functions.. but won't do a lick to help get things going or work.  Thus it rides on one or two shoulders.  The originators get tired of carrying the weight.. and if anything.. it's the "everyone" that  created the problem.

Also..the facilitors are usually so busy they don't even get to enjoy the group they started.

I think you are right in some of that.  But the people who decide to begin the group have to realise that it isn't all fun and frolics.  That - even when you dont want to go... you have to, because youre the contact.  And never expect thanks... never really expect anything.  Go, and enjoy yourself for yourself and not rely on the people attend or to even attend.  Otherwise one gets disheartened and a heavy burden to carry, when it should be fun and something you enjoy doing.  If you can't have fun on your own, then there isn't any point in being a facilitator IMO.
 
Slipstream... if you want a group, just start it.  If you enjoy it and have fun with it and people will come.  Don't expect anything from anyone, but expect to enjoy it and create it so you do enjoy it.
 
Peace and Rapture




Slipstreme -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 11:58:39 AM)

I think I might start it via either a yahoogroup or an adultgroup, maybe both, and hope it catches on. I don't know much about advertising it though, cause it is not like I could pass out fliers on campus. Although, if I can get enough interest, it would be nice to facilitate a discussion about alternative lifestyles on campus. I know there are a few universities that have BDSM groups, but those groups and the universities have suffered some backlash because of it, and those groups have the backing of the student government. I'm not sure if I could get the backing of the student government here. I also don't want my group to cause people to be outed, who don't want to be outed, although, I know if I decided to do any form of activism for the community, it would.




mstrjx -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 12:08:10 PM)

I have been involved with groups in the past to the extent that I would host from time to time.  I had a nice place with space to play and all the nice toys (that fortunately never disappeared).  I wasn't the only host, though, so it wasn't too much of a burden.  I didn't consider it anything like 'my' group, as it was started by others, but I was certainly one of the more visible participants.  Not a parasite.

I, too, have generally only been involved in groups when without partner, but haven't looked for munches or playgroups in years.  I probably should.  The groups I have been involved in (one Male dom/fem sub, the other 'couples only') had rules and regulations that were sound.  They were fun, a way to meet people, a potential way to find a partner (although that wasn't my experience). 'Munches' is a concept that came later, so I haven't seen what that can be like.

Jeff




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 12:09:53 PM)

I am the co-founder of a Fem Dom group called FAD and am currently a MAsT (Masters And slaves Together) Chapter Director. Here's some of the things I've learned, although YMMV.

1) Don't do it unless you consider it a labor of love. FAD's co-founder and I did something for FAD EVERY day. Also, realize that many, many people simply want to show up and enjoy (which can be nice on occassion!).
2) Think early about how you want to set up the group. It can be a democracy or a benevolent dictatorship. I vote for the latter...things get done faster that way. Actually, what worked for FAD was this: She and I made the decisions. When we disagreed with each other or knew that it was too big of a decision to not get input, we brought it up before the contributors. MAsT is set up with an Oversite committee...I sometimes find this helpful and sometimes find it a pain in the ass.
3) Make sure it functions in such a way as to pay for itself. Don't use your own money...and if you absolutely have to, reimburse yourself.
4) Make sure you're setting it up for the right reasons...just because you hate the leadership of another group might not be reason enough. Catering to a specific cross section of the community, such as Master/slave or Fem Dom, is a valid reason.
5) Once you make the rules, stand by them, not matter what flack you get.
6) Be impeccable with your word and business practices. Give an accounting of what you have done and why, especially financially.
7) Try to set it up so that it can easily be run by other people and keep your eye out for those people. You will eventually want to step down and be one of those people who come and merely enjoy.

Hope all this helps. I can get a lot more specific about how each groups is set up, if you'd like to message me in private. Best of luck to you!

Master Fire




LotusSong -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 12:13:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

I am the co-founder of a Fem Dom group called FAD and am currently a MAsT (Masters And slaves Together) Chapter Director. Here's some of the things I've learned, although YMMV.

1) Don't do it unless you consider it a labor of love. FAD's co-founder and I did something for FAD EVERY day. Also, realize that many, many people simply want to show up and enjoy (which can be nice on occassion!).
2) Think early about how you want to set up the group. It can be a democracy or a benevolent dictatorship. I vote for the latter...things get done faster that way. Actually, what worked for FAD was this: She and I made the decisions. When we disagreed with each other or knew that it was too big of a decision to not get input, we brought it up before the contributors. MAsT is set up with an Oversite committee...I sometimes find this helpful and sometimes find it a pain in the ass.
3) Make sure it functions in such a way as to pay for itself. Don't use your own money...and if you absolutely have to, reimburse yourself.
4) Make sure you're setting it up for the right reasons...just because you hate the leadership of another group might not be reason enough. Catering to a specific cross section of the community, such as Master/slave or Fem Dom, is a valid reason.
5) Once you make the rules, stand by them, not matter what flack you get.
6) Be impeccable with your word and business practices. Give an accounting of what you have done and why, especially financially.
7) Try to set it up so that it can easily be run by other people and keep your eye out for those people. You will eventually want to step down and be one of those people who come and merely enjoy.

Hope all this helps. I can get a lot more specific about how each groups is set up, if you'd like to message me in private. Best of luck to you!

Master Fire



EXCELLENT advice!




Homestead -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 12:18:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

People will start groups when their needs are not being addressed within the kommunity that is available. 

With this thread, I hope to have those who have attempted to, currently facilitating or just thinking about starting a group to share their highlights, lowlights, sucesses or questions.




All you do is get more politics.

Even if the group os selective in intent-no way to avoid it.




LadyTantalize -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 12:24:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Always remember, that when starting or co-hosting a group that it isn't YOUR group.  That it belongs to everyone.
Otherwise, it becomes stagnant and dies.
 
Peace and Rapture



What I found that there are more parasites than facilitators.  There are those that will  be all for going to the group's functions.. but won't do a lick to help get things going or work.  Thus it rides on one or two shoulders.  The originators get tired of carrying the weight.. and if anything.. it's the "everyone" that  created the problem. There are "drivers" and there are "riders".

Also..the facilitors are usually so busy they don't even get to enjoy the group they started.

What got me thinking on it was a comment that Crappy Dom made in his Poor Me post :) 


OK, feeling a wee bit bitchy today, so I'll vent....... OHHHHH, I AGREE!

While being one of the *drivers* for a local munch has kept me busy and constantly attempting to please a variety of tastes and preferences has not always been fun, it's enabled me to have an amazing network of friends and acquaintances and occassionally to actually help or aid a novice to the leather lifestyle.    Most think there isn't much work nor headaches involved in hosting and organizing a munch -- oh, but there is indeed!   Yes, the munch has been a lot of work but we've kept it going for four years and it's been well worth it.




indigo302 -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 3:50:35 PM)

I agree with everything that's been said here!

Most people want a group to go to, they don't want a group they have to do anything to keep.  So don't go in expecting help or even suggestions.  Well, maybe you will get suggestions, but..ummm those things they wanted me to put where the sun doesn't shine...do NOT fit!  *grins*

Seriously, keep a good accounting of the finances, especially if you have to pay for things and later reimburse yourself. 

Be sure of what you want the focus to be, and stick with it.  There may be times when there are only 3-4 people at a meeting....enjoy those 3 or 4 in the spirit of the group, and don't worry about the others.

POLITICS!  UGH!  No matter what you do, or how you set up the group, be it "a democracy or a benevolent dictatorship", there will be politics.  If not internal politics, then external.  (Been there done that)

However - if you can keep all this in mind, and enjoy your group for what it is - it will be *very* rewarding as well.  All the hassle is worth it, if it helps just one person (in my opinion). Add to that the myriad of friends one makes from this....and it's a blessing !

indigo




popeye1250 -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 6:34:34 PM)

Lotus, I belong to a few organisations (Vanilla) and it's like that in any type of group.
There's the ones who do the work and the ones who just show up.




Yang4yin -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 7:29:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Lotus, I belong to a few organisations (Vanilla) and it's like that in any type of group.
There's the ones who do the work and the ones who just show up.


... and the ones who never show up, but brag about being a member.




CrappyDom -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/16/2006 8:28:17 PM)

Jay Wiseman calls it "organizational masochism"...for a reason.

There is a lot of good advice here.

I have only formed one group that is still running almost a decade after I started it, I have owned playspaces and been involved in others, plus hosting intergroup munches and other stuff.  I don't think I have been seriously thanked more than a handful of times so if it isn't a labor of love, don't bother.

If you charge, everyone will think you are running a business even if you subsidize it, not to mention holding it in your own home and cleaning up after the ungrateful slobs.

Run it as a dictatorship but allow people ownership (in the conceptual sense) of things like planning a party, doing food, decorating and or hosting.  You will find a tiny core of people who will step up and help out.  Sadly they are often the ones you least want to spend time with although with luck that won't be true.

Make it exclusive and the rules for things like RSVPs harsh.  It will take longer to build it but you will end up with better people and they will appreciate it more.  If I ever do a group again, it will be a secret one, invitation only by some sort of nomination/vote process.

Realize that you can't make everyone happy.  My trick for dealing with the sort who never do anything but suggest "you should do it this way" is to invite them to do it because you are busy doing it your way.  Not in a nasty sort of way but more like "that's a great idea, I am busy doing this but please feel free to do your idea" and in general you will never hear a peep out of them again.





LotusSong -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/17/2006 9:04:10 AM)

<<Realize that you can't make everyone happy.  My trick for dealing with the sort who never do anything but suggest "you should do it this way" is to invite them to do it because you are busy doing it your way.  Not in a nasty sort of way but more like "that's a great idea, I am busy doing this but please feel free to do your idea" and in general you will never hear a peep out of them again. >>  Boy, is THIS true!




Evanesce -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/17/2006 9:52:55 AM)

I co-founded a group in November, 2002.  It was the result of the frustration of a number of people wanting to get active within the local community and give something back, while the "leader" of the only group in town balked at every idea we came up with.  While membership was restricted to only those people who came to meetings or coffee gatherings, the group was established as a full democracy, with me as "Speaker," which meant I was the public voice of the group, and when people had questions, they came to me.  I set up the meeting agenda, did the PR work, wrote minutes of our meetings, and generally kept everyone informed.
 
Six months after our first meeting, we held a successful charity event and donated our proceeds to Indiana Still Cares.  Following that event, the group grew to 80 members, we held two demos over the next year, and had started work on a third, when things took a downward turn.  I'd been taking a lot of flack from a number of people, including a couple group members, and some serious harassment from a guy in Arizona over a claim made by one of our presenters at our second demo, which took emails back and forth between myself, the owner of a lifestyle bed and breakfast where our biweekly meetings were held, and the head of APEX to straighten out, and I resigned after a year and a half of being Speaker.  The individual I nominated to take my place was elected almost unanimously a month later.
 
That's when things went downhill.  Over the next year, the group did nothing at all.  We'd started having a monthly munch, along with our meetings and coffee dates, a few months before I resigned, and when a year had passed for the munch, the host stepped down as well.  That resulted in a bit of a spat amongst some members before we finally decided on a new place for the munch and a new host (we were tired of Mexican food).  Three months after we moved to the new munch venue, we were asked not to return, due to the bad behavior of a handful of dominants, which went unchecked by the "Speaker" at the time. 
 
That Speaker's year of service was up, and a new Speaker was elected.  Things got even worse.  As a result of the bad behavior, the membership demanded that we draw up "standards of etiquette," outlining expectations and consequences.  Five people, myself and the new Speaker included, were instructed to write up these standards for presentation to the group.  Knowing this was going to cause nothing but grief, and that we were going to be in for one heck of a brawl as a result, we did as the majority demanded, and the standards were passed.
 
The shit hit the fan.  That's all I can say.  And the people who'd demanded that we institute these new rules suddenly decided they didn't want to deal with all the "negativity" that their demands created.  As I, and the more outspoken of the group wanting to get rid of the new rules, tried to hammer out a compromise and make this thing work, he was hammered by people telling him if he didn't like it, he could leave; while I was bombarded with the whining bitchiness of people complaining about all the "negativity." 
 
During this shitstorm, several people left the group (the most outspoken of the group which demanded we write up the rules), and our Speaker allowed his girl to start up another group, and surreptitiously promote it.  They did everything in their power to hide it from me, but I found out in December, 2005... just five months after the Speaker's election... when events that were supposed to have been planned for our group suddenly weren't happening any more, because they were being done with this "new" group.  By this time, our attendance had gone from at least 20 at every meeting, to just a handful.  That handful decided our Speaker's actively promoting this other group was unacceptable, and they handed control of the group back to me.  I was elected President of ALM.
 
So now I've got my group back, and we're doing things again.  We've restructured our meetings and coffees, and people are coming back.  Instead of "business meetings," we now have monthly, topic-driven business/discussion meetings in our home, followed by pot luck dinner and a play party.  Attendance is increasing again, and we're back on the path the group was supposed to have been on from the beginning.
 
I've come to the conclusion that the average life expectancy of a real-life lifestyle group is about 3 years.  By the end of 3 years, the newness wears off, people get complacent and bored, and someone comes along who thinks they have a bigger and better way of doing things, so people rush to this new group, thinking it will be better than the one before.  Only it's usually not much different than the predecessor.  The groups that last are those whose leaders have a clear vision and are willing to work to make the group successful.  The groups that last are also those that work hard to remain free of politics, favoritism and drama.  Drama is the fastest destroyer of any lifestyle group.




Slipstreme -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/17/2006 10:03:29 AM)

quote:

Drama is the fastest destroyer of any lifestyle group.


Boy does that speak truth! I have watched the furgroup I am a part of go from having weekly get togethers to having had nothing in three months, after several flame wars and splits among the members.




IndigoDadesi -> RE: Starting a Lifestyle Group (8/17/2006 12:16:51 PM)

Im co-chair of a university based GLBTQ group. This is what Ive learned so far:
-- Dont leave something to later that you can do now
-- Dont do something yourself if you think someone else can do it better
-- Dont try to do everything yourself
-- Make sure your public liason is someone who is genuinely likable
-- Stay on good terms and in touch with the people who can help you, AND the people who can cause you problems
-- Spend some lots of time on advertising your group in lots of different venues
-- Food is good
-- Dont do alot of things that you will need volunteers for, they are usually hard to come by.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Good luck




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