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MistressLorelei -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/17/2006 8:14:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I have always wondered why this particular case became international news. A little girl got killed, and because she is a tarted up little beauty-pageant doll it becomes a national obsession?

Those who feel that what was done to the family was criminal are correct, but unfortunatly as long as America is obsessed with celebrities and psuedo-celebrities it will happen again. And again. And again.


Americans are obsessed with tragedy..... and those who are part of a tragedy are the ones made into the celebrities and pseudo celebrities. 

Many times, cases such as this, and especially (in other cases) where kidnapping is involved, are brought to the media to help find the criminal or the missing person.  It should not mean that the media should form its own conclusion and broadcast it... like when it pointed fingers at the Ramsey's son. 



LotusSong -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 9:11:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Amazing.. after all this time. I'm so glad!


.. and today I am sad as this guy's story is falling apart.. :/



Dauric -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 9:25:16 AM)

The real story here isn't about the little girl, it's about the way the media and the police handled the stuation, crucifying the family on an international stage. The only place in the world that they weren't known of as child murderers must have been a small village in the sub-saharan outback.

Another story of importance here is how the Ramseys tarted up a young girl and paraded her around in front of strangers. There's evidence of pedophelia in the crime, are we really that suprised? It's also a reflection of the way that we, as a society, overscheduele children and don't give them enough time to simply 'Play' as children and work their imaginations. Forcing them to "grow up", getting business-style day-planners for each child and filling them completely.

What is not a news story is the murder of a small child, not even one in an upscale part of Boulder. It's sad that it happened, sure, but it's sad that it happens anywhere.

$0.02,

Dauric.



juliaoceania -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 9:58:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

Another story of importance here is how the Ramseys tarted up a young girl and paraded her around in front of strangers. There's evidence of pedophelia in the crime, are we really that suprised?
That is like saying that a woman who dresses sexy made herself a target of rape, except this time you are inserting a pedophile molesting a child, instead of a woman not wearing underwear. I have a problem with sexualization of children in making them look like little adults, but pedophiles do not want children to look like adults, they want them to look like children.. and this is a crime of power.

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It's also a reflection of the way that we, as a society, overscheduele children and don't give them enough time to simply 'Play' as children and work their imaginations. Forcing them to "grow up", getting business-style day-planners for each child and filling them completely.
While I agree with this sentiment in the wider scheme of things, this little girl seemed to enjoy her hobby and appeared to be a very happy and joyful little thing... Like so many 6 year olds, she would be the same age as my son today.  Child's play involves dress up for little girls, playing with mom's makeup and shoes, pretending to be a grown up... child's play is usually about pretending to be doing the very things you are stating they shouldn't do.

As I said, I do not like pagents either, I think it is like a dog and pony show and more about the parents having "beautiful" children, and living through their kids... but that is a different issue


$0.02,

Dauric.



juliaoceania -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 10:07:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

The real story here isn't about the little girl, it's about the way the media and the police handled the stuation, crucifying the family on an international stage. The only place in the world that they weren't known of as child murderers must have been a small village in the sub-saharan outback.
I agree

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Another story of importance here is how the Ramseys tarted up a young girl and paraded her around in front of strangers. There's evidence of pedophelia in the crime, are we really that suprised?
I am surprised that you would think that her parents tartng her up was the reason she was murdered. You do not know that. I do not agree with "tarting up" little girls either, but pedophiles usually like their targets to look like children, not dressed up to look like little adults from what I know. Also, saying this is like saying that a woman asks to be raped because she wore something, rape, molestation, and violence are crimes of power with only sexual components, sex is not the prime motivation. This little girl being dressed this way did not make her murderer overcome with desire to kill her or molest her by what she wore..


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It's also a reflection of the way that we, as a society, overscheduele children and don't give them enough time to simply 'Play' as children and work their imaginations. Forcing them to "grow up", getting business-style day-planners for each child and filling them completely.
She looked like a happy little gal to me, very joyful little thing.  She enjoyed pagentry. I do agree that people overschedule children, and pagents seem more about parents living through their children. I do not like them, never have. But she was using her imagination the way little girls do. They play dressup, wear mommy's makeup, and play with barbies pretending they are adults. Childhood is a playground preparing us for adulthood. This is why most children's pretend time revolves around grownup activities.

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What is not a news story is the murder of a small child, not even one in an upscale part of Boulder. It's sad that it happened, sure, but it's sad that it happens anywhere.
agree with this too




SweetDommes -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 10:09:55 AM)

I never believed that the family did it without help, but I still firmly believe that there are too many coincidences that point towards the family for them to not be involved at all.

I was appalled and disgusted when it happened, I still am ... mostly because I can't see any way that the parents were not involved.



juliaoceania -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 10:12:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

I never believed that the family did it without help, but I still firmly believe that there are too many coincidences that point towards the family for them to not be involved at all.

I was appalled and disgusted when it happened, I still am ... mostly because I can't see any way that the parents were not involved.


That is an opinion you have without knowing all the evidence. I looked at the same evidence as you and came to a different conclusion.. that is why we get trials by jury. God Bless America for that much,... we are not convicting people based upon Fox News accounts and opinion polls



Dauric -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 10:35:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania



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Another story of importance here is how the Ramseys tarted up a young girl and paraded her around in front of strangers. There's evidence of pedophelia in the crime, are we really that suprised?


I am surprised that you would think that her parents tartng her up was the reason she was murdered. You do not know that. I do not agree with "tarting up" little girls either, but pedophiles usually like their targets to look like children, not dressed up to look like little adults from what I know. Also, saying this is like saying that a woman asks to be raped because she wore something, rape, molestation, and violence are crimes of power with only sexual components, sex is not the prime motivation. This little girl being dressed this way did not make her murderer overcome with desire to kill her or molest her by what she wore..


Point taken. Mind you, I wouldn't be suprised if it played some part in it.

$0.02,

Dauric.



fyreredsub -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 12:46:55 PM)

actually i did an extensive investigation into the case for my bach in criminal justice degree....

the hell with what the media said....

if you ever read the autopsy report whoever killed her was a sick pup---

and looks like this guys confession is falling apart but thats the media too.

awaits dna evidence...............



LotusSong -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 1:09:36 PM)

Things are just moving all around with the facts, aren't they.

Right now, the guy seems unable to be smart enough to tie his shoes.  I'm thinking this college professor he emailed is the culprit.. and has divulged things to this Karr guy.  Then Kaar may have incorporated it in to his own "truth".  He strikes me as a manufactured scapegoat,  His need for attention being used by the professor.  He's been fed  some accurate information on the case "stuff nobody would know" and yet he claims he picked her up from school on Christmas Day, amoung other things?

It's very interesting.. That and two robbers dressed as clowns doing robberies here in Phoenix!



KatyLied -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/18/2006 1:13:00 PM)

Don't be surprised if the dna isn't his.  His ex has provided an alibi.  His statements about being "in love" with Jon Benet and her death being "accidental" are creepy.  I think he has some (mental health) issues.  I think he's obsessed with Jon Benet and her death.  Or perhaps he wants extradition out of Thailand and this is convenient.  It's weird no matter how you look at it.



KatyLied -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 3:59:26 PM)

DNA doesn't match.  Just another obsessed nutcase.



Level -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:02:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

DNA doesn't match.  Just another obsessed nutcase.


You were right, Katy. Man oh man, all that for nothing....



Chaingang -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:04:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
I have always wondered why this particular case became international news.


Why did you change your focus to just the states? This bit above is more correct - the whole stinking world is obsessed with these petty, sad little stories.



KatyLied -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:17:03 PM)

Yep, the expense involved is ridiculous.  Why didn't they take his dna in Thailand and match it before they brought him back?  It's probably a violation of his civil rights or something.  And now his mental instability is out there for everyone to pick apart.



Level -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:27:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Yep, the expense involved is ridiculous.  Why didn't they take his dna in Thailand and match it before they brought him back?  It's probably a violation of his civil rights or something.  And now his mental instability is out there for everyone to pick apart.


I think they're so desperate to solve the thing, that they totally ignored all common sense (and likely some laws lol) in an effort to get the killer.



LotusSong -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:31:27 PM)

and on we go...



LTRsubNW -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:36:00 PM)

(I'm still trying to figure out why this takes up valuable space on the CM servers)



Level -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:39:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

(I'm still trying to figure out why this takes up valuable space on the CM servers)


Because it's an off-topic topic lol.
 
*insert sarcasm here* I'd prefer they find the Nicole Simpson killer......



LotusSong -> RE: arrest in jon benet murder case (8/28/2006 4:41:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

(I'm still trying to figure out why this takes up valuable space on the CM servers)


He was also a Cross Dresser.. D/s rlated activity.. you know.. one of the "Kommunity"  Sort of puts a wrench in the works about "it's all good"..  Who amoung us shall JUDGE this Brother??????

(actually I didn't read ALL the posts and noticed I had posted the same thing someone else did.)



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